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  • LBzrule
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    • Jul 2002
    • 13085

    #721
    Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

    Originally posted by crques
    I found a good read on Bruce Irvin and his background for those unfamiliar. ESPN is ripping the guy apart like he's a paroled felon with murder and armed robberies, which is ridiculous. Good luck Bruuuuuuuuuce!!!


    http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2...attle-seahawk/
    I'm still trying to see the logic in that pick. I learned a lot of football from Pete Caroll, but I just don't understand the pick. Nothing against Irvin. Excellent speed rusher. Didn't see a lot of moves though. But I don't see him as a every down player. Could very well be wrong, but I think that is a bit high for a situational player. If he ends up being a full time player he will surprise the hell outta me.

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    • OSUFan_88
      Outback Jesus
      • Jul 2004
      • 25642

      #722
      Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

      Originally posted by BlueNGold
      Personally I just don't think it was the right move for a rebuilding team to spend a 1st round pick on a 28/29 year old rookie QB. IMO they would have been better off filling a different position or trading down with that pick, keeping Colt as the starter and letting the chips fall where they may. Then next year they could potentially take Landry Jones or Matt Barkley.
      Thanks for making me happier to draft Weeden.

      (BK...please don't hate me.)
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      • Vaporub83
        Rookie
        • Aug 2009
        • 399

        #723
        Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

        Originally posted by TheShizNo1
        I have no problem w/ what they did for Richardson. I just don't like the Weeden move. You point out little, but I still say it's a problem when your best skill player is a #2 WR. I agree about playing 3 top defenses twice a year. My thing is, i don't think it's a McCoy problem, but a Browns offense problem. I just don't see a 28 year old QB that tore up average defenses as the solution.
        I don't think is age matters much. If he is great he can play for another 10 seasons no problem. If he is average to pretty good he will give you 5-6 seasons. If you look back, a ton of QBs don't last 6 years in the league anyway.
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        • Vaporub83
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          • Aug 2009
          • 399

          #724
          Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

          Originally posted by BlueNGold
          Personally I just don't think it was the right move for a rebuilding team to spend a 1st round pick on a 28/29 year old rookie QB. IMO they would have been better off filling a different position or trading down with that pick, keeping Colt as the starter and letting the chips fall where they may. Then next year they could potentially take Landry Jones or Matt Barkley.
          If as an organization you make that call you have already given up. Basically saying you will get a top 10 pick again next year. I don't think that is something you want to say to your team or your fans.
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          • crques
            All Star
            • Apr 2004
            • 5047

            #725
            Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

            Originally posted by Apostle
            I was at work, but followed the draft on ESPN.com. When I saw that guys like DeCastro, Ingram and Coples were falling, I was pumped. The guy I wanted was DeCastro, despite Seattle's obvious need for a pass rusher. I just think the guy will be a monster in the NFL.

            Then I saw Bruce Irvin's name.

            I was immediately livid, as were my buddies, but I've cooled a bit. The guy has character concerns, but he is arguably the best pure pass rusher in the draft. He will present some nightmares for opposing QB's. He's not a three-down guy and that's what makes me skeptical, but if he can come out and get 10 sacks as a rookie, all will be well. No one can doubt the guy's natural ability and physical attributes. No more double teaming Red Bryant with Irvin coming off of the edge. We have a good, young defense that's one glaring need was a consistent pass rush and Irvin might fix that.

            It should be noted that a league source confirmed that seven NFL teams had Irvin in their top 15. So obviously Carroll and Schneider saw something that they really liked. Watching video on him, the dude is a beast at getting to the QB. Hopefully he can develop as a player and be more than a passing downs guy.

            Stupid to judge a pick before the kid steps onto the field so I'm not going to get too excited or down about the pick. I'll just say that if it doesn't work out, Carroll will be in deep **** with Seattle fans.
            I'm a WVU fan and I think you guys are going to warm up to Bruce rather quickly. He was a huge fan favorite here from day one and the guy works hard and gives full effort every play. He's also very good with the fans and always signed autographs and took time for pictures with fans. The character issues have been blown way out of proportion, as well as the March arrest. I posted a link earlier in this thread about his background. It's a good read.

            Carroll is very familiar with Irvin as well. He recruited him hard to USC when he was a JUCO player, so he obviously saw something he liked in him then too. We really didn't get to see the entire Irvin package at WVU because the defensive coaches and 3-3-5 defense really limited him here I think.
            Last edited by crques; 04-27-2012, 09:03 AM.

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            • CRMosier_LM
              Banned
              • Jul 2009
              • 2061

              #726
              Originally posted by OSUFan_88
              Ben Watson is a good TE. Greg Little is a good #2 WR. They have another threat in Evan Moore.

              And it's not excusable to score 13 points in the NFL, no matter who you are.
              We suck... Period. We lead the nfl in dropped passes by a large margin last year. That wast mccoys fault. The right side of our offensive line couldn't block my grandpa, that wasn't mccoys fault, our running backs couldn't stay healthy, also not his fault. HE HAD NOTHING TO WORK WITH. I can count 3 games alone that we would have won if it weren't for critical dropped balls.

              Right now at this point in the draft we are worse offensive than we were at this point last year. Our offensive line is much worse, our wr corp is the same. Hb aren't top notch or even middle of the road. Before we drafted Richardson we had THE WORST run game in the league. We are now most likely around 20th rushing. Without pass protection, people actually holding onto the ball when its thrown their way. We will be worse offensive than last year.

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              • BlueNGold
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2009
                • 21817

                #727
                Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

                Originally posted by Vaporub83
                If as an organization you make that call you have already given up. Basically saying you will get a top 10 pick again next year. I don't think that is something you want to say to your team or your fans.
                Yeah but they're Browns fans. They're already prepared for the worst.
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                • Cavsfan4life
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 1039

                  #728
                  Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

                  As long as we get a WR or OT/OG with our second who can come in and start, Im fine with the Weeden pick. The only thing that hurt Weeden this draft was his age, if he was 22 years old, he is easily be a top 10 pick IMO.

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                  • OSUFan_88
                    Outback Jesus
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 25642

                    #729
                    Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

                    Originally posted by CRMosier_LM
                    We suck... Period. We lead the nfl in dropped passes by a large margin last year. That wast mccoys fault.
                    Some of them were.

                    The right side of our offensive line couldn't block my grandpa, that wasn't mccoys fault,
                    Exaggerate much? The right side of the line was fine, the entire offensive line was fine. McCoy running around like a chicken with his head cut off is what made them look bad.

                    Right now at this point in the draft we are worse offensive than we were at this point last year. Our offensive line is much worse, our wr corp is the same. Hb aren't top notch or even middle of the road. Before we drafted Richardson we had THE WORST run game in the league. We are now most likely around 20th rushing. Without pass protection, people actually holding onto the ball when its thrown their way. We will be worse offensive than last year.

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                    I totally disagree. I think a good QB can make this offense look better. I think Richardson is Top Notch the minute he steps on an NFL field. That makes it far above middle of the road.

                    You must be one of those Browns fans who wanted Kalil if he was there. Browns fans are foolish with this offensive line stuff. We have an average offensive line, below average if we don't replace Cousins, which we will. The line is fine, it's time to get playmakers.
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                    • Beantown
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                      • Feb 2005
                      • 31523

                      #730
                      Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

                      Never in a million years did I think the Patriots would get a player as good as Jones or Hightower and I wake up this morning and they really do have both of them now.

                      Never been this excited the morning after a Patriots draft.

                      I'd grab an DB or an OL in the 2nd, try and trade the other 2nd rounder for two later picks and call it a day tonight.

                      Belichick's plan this offseason has just been...real damn good, finally.

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                      • cjonesfan921
                        UGH, next year
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 20081

                        #731
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                        • BlueNGold
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                          #732
                          Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

                          Was hoping there was going to be a gif of those Giants fans.
                          Originally posted by bradtxmale
                          I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                          • m1ke_nyc
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                            • Oct 2009
                            • 3243

                            #733
                            Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

                            Im still trying to wrap my mind around the Rams 1st round.
                            It’s easier to do the right thing, than to explain why you didn’t.

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                            • thaima1shu
                              Robot
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 5598

                              #734
                              Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

                              Originally posted by LBzrule
                              Bruce Irvin was the biggest surprise to me. I'm sorry, best pure pass rusher or not I don't see drafting a situational player in the 1st round. I just don't see it.
                              Originally posted by LBzrule
                              I'm still trying to see the logic in that pick. I learned a lot of football from Pete Caroll, but I just don't understand the pick. Nothing against Irvin. Excellent speed rusher. Didn't see a lot of moves though. But I don't see him as a every down player. Could very well be wrong, but I think that is a bit high for a situational player. If he ends up being a full time player he will surprise the hell outta me.
                              Even if the Seahawks took one of the "every down" defensive ends, that player wasn't going to play every down anyways. He would've been a situational pass rusher, just like what Bruce Irvin will be. Only thing is that Bruce Irvin does that better than anyone else in the draft, so it fits. Gotta look at the team fit/scheme as well as the player in these evaluations. The Seahawks already have Chris Clemons full time on one end, and re-signed Red Bryant to a decent sized contract to play the other end. Bryant only comes out in pass rushing situations usually, so that's exactly what the Seahawks needed, and got in Bruce Irvin.

                              So the Seahawks get the perfect piece to improve one of their biggest defensive weaknesses, which was the pass rush. Then they can groom him to be the LEO to replace Clemons if he signs somewhere else in free agency. They have a year to work on his technique, bulk him up and hopefully turn him into a decent end against the run.

                              Aldon Smith played in only passing situations last year, and I'd say he worked out damn well for the 49ers. If Irvin can get to double digit sacks, I'd say it would be a very, very successful pick.

                              EDIT: Also, the Seahawks played nickel/dime over 60% of the time last year. Pretty sure Irvin will be in there quite a bit causing havoc for quarterbacks. With how good the secondary is at mauling receivers, adding a pass rusher like this could be huge.
                              Last edited by thaima1shu; 04-27-2012, 10:19 AM.

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                              • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                                • Dec 2006
                                • 17294

                                #735
                                Re: 2012 NFL Draft Thread.

                                Originally posted by BlueNGold
                                Personally I just don't think it was the right move for a rebuilding team to spend a 1st round pick on a 28/29 year old rookie QB. IMO they would have been better off filling a different position or trading down with that pick, keeping Colt as the starter and letting the chips fall where they may. Then next year they could potentially take Landry Jones or Matt Barkley.
                                Put me in this group too. By the time the Browns are ready to make a playoff run, Weeden will likely be on his decline. Then again, I don't think Miami should have drafted Tannehill either. I feel like they should have tried to build up the rest of the team and just take a developmental QB this year. They aren't going to win anything this season. No point reaching on a QB when he has nothing to work with.
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