2012 NFL Draft Thread.

[OSUFan_88]

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Colt McCoy will likely be traded today. Supposedly they are talking trade with the Packers.

[OSUFan_88]

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By the time the Browns are ready to make a playoff run, Weeden will likely be on his decline.

To be fair, by the time Weeden is on the decline, so will Richardson.

I think last night, the Browns started their competitive window. They have 6 years, IMO.

[Motown]

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2012 NFL Draft Pick List and Results - Round 1

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Colt McCoy will likely be traded today. Supposedly they are talking trade with the Packers.

Go ahead and send him here, we're like QB Boot Camp.

We'll fix him up and be ready to put him on the market in no time.

[LBzrule]

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Even if the Seahawks took one of the "every down" defensive ends, that player wasn't going to play every down anyways. He would've been a situational pass rusher, just like what Bruce Irvin will be. Only thing is that Bruce Irvin does that better than anyone else in the draft, so it fits. Gotta look at the team fit/scheme as well as the player in these evaluations. The Seahawks already have Chris Clemons full time on one end, and re-signed Red Bryant to a decent sized contract to play the other end. Bryant only comes out in pass rushing situations usually, so that's exactly what the Seahawks needed, and got in Bruce Irvin.

So the Seahawks get the perfect piece to improve one of their biggest defensive weaknesses, which was the pass rush. Then they can groom him to be the LEO to replace Clemons if he signs somewhere else in free agency. They have a year to work on his technique, bulk him up and hopefully turn him into a decent end against the run.

Aldon Smith played in only passing situations last year, and I'd say he worked out damn well for the 49ers. If Irvin can get to double digit sacks, I'd say it would be a very, very successful pick.

EDIT: Also, the Seahawks played nickel/dime over 60% of the time last year. Pretty sure Irvin will be in there quite a bit causing havoc for quarterbacks. With how good the secondary is at mauling receivers, adding a pass rusher like this could be huge.

I don't agree with that. I think Melvin Ingram is the entire package and can play every down NOW. He can defend the run, rush the passer, drop back into coverage, play special teams. I think he is a much better value than Irvin in the first round.

Aldon Smith did more than play in passing situations for the 49ers. He played some significant snaps in their base package. Anyways, I think Irvin is a good pass rushing specialist, I just don't know about taking him where he was taken. I actually wanted Baltimore to take him with our late 3rd to be a situational player in our nickel package because I just didn't see much more out of him than that. But if he's Pete's player then he's his player.

[TracerBullet]

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Just think if the draft was still Saturday/Sunday you could have watched the entire game, and the Sens/Rangers game tonight with no NFL draft to distract from it

And then it's very likely I'd have to go up against the NHL and NBA Playoffs. With rounds 4-7 on Saturday, its much easier to watch the draft and all the other stuff going on.

[thaima1shu]

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I don't agree with that. I think Melvin Ingram is the entire package and can play every down NOW. He can defend the run, rush the passer, drop back into coverage, play special teams. I think he is a much better value than Irvin in the first round.

Aldon Smith did more than play in passing situations for the 49ers. He played some significant snaps in their base package. Anyways, I think Irvin is a good pass rushing specialist, I just don't know about taking him where he was taken. I actually wanted Baltimore to take him with our late 3rd to be a situational player in our nickel package because I just didn't see much more out of him than that. But if he's Pete's player then he's his player.

But he doesn't fit as well into the Seahawks defense as Irvin would, and on the Seahawks Ingram would not be playing every down. Whose spot would Ingram take on the Seahawks? Clemons? No. Bryant? No. Ingram could be a 3-4 LB, but the Seahawks don't play a 3-4.

I do think it was a bit high and it would've been nice to drop back a few more spots again. But to me it seems that there was nobody that wanted the 15th pick, so it was either take him at 15 or risk losing him before the 43rd pick. And with reports saying that 7 teams had him as a top 15 talent, there's a good chance he would've gotten taken round 1 anyways.

EDIT: Also not disputing that Ingram is the more complete player, because he is. But for the needs of the Seahawks Irvin is the better fit because he provides exactly what we were lacking, and that's a dynamic pass rusher off the edge.

[TheShizNo1]

To be fair, by the time Weeden is on the decline, so will Richardson.

I think last night, the Browns started their competitive window. They have 6 years, IMO.

What?! What's the thought process here? Richardson has a 1-3 years to show he's the back that everyone thinks. That puts him at what, 23-25 years old? Weeden will be 29-32? It's not a given at all for QB's to be successful when they're in there mid 30's. Look around the league. Only a handful of QB's can do that. You're ok w/ your team saying we're going to push to be successful for 6 years? I'm sorry, even if it's rare, I'd rather my team go the Pats, Colts, Ravens, Steelers (for the most part), route and say, we're going to keep the door successfully revolving.

[Chrisksaint]

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Im still trying to wrap my mind around the Rams 1st round.

I think they did a damn good job. They traded down from 2 to 6, then eventually traded down from there and got the guy they wanted.

Michael Brockers is a complete package who was not a full time starter during his time at LSU. He's probably the most NFL ready instinct and technique wise imo, he just may need to work on his pass rushing skills. I'm no scout but when long time heralded college DC John Chavis says he may be the best player he's coached i'll take his word for it lol.

[thaima1shu]

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There's also this ....

Rob Rang <s>@</s>RobRang Sources from multiple teams indicate WVU OLB Bruce Irvin would have been the Jets, Ravens and 49ers pick in first round if available to them

[LBzrule]

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But he doesn't fit as well into the Seahawks defense as Irvin would, and on the Seahawks Ingram would not be playing every down. Whose spot would Ingram take on the Seahawks? Clemons? No. Bryant? No. Ingram could be a 3-4 LB, but the Seahawks don't play a 3-4.

I do think it was a bit high and it would've been nice to drop back a few more spots again. But to me it seems that there was nobody that wanted the 15th pick, so it was either take him at 15 or risk losing him before the 43rd pick. And with reports saying that 7 teams had him as a top 15 talent, there's a good chance he would've gotten taken round 1 anyways.

EDIT: Also not disputing that Ingram is the more complete player, because he is. But for the needs of the Seahawks Irvin is the better fit because he provides exactly what we were lacking, and that's a dynamic pass rusher off the edge.

Ingram can play both 3-4 OLB as well as 4-3 DE or the Elephant position that Carroll has on his defense. Secondly, just because teams had him as a top 15 talent doesn't mean they would have taken him. I'm sure several teams have Cordy Glenn and Janoris Jenkins as a top 20-25 talents and they are still on the board. Irvin may be a better fit, I just think they could have taken him later.

[LBzrule]

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There's also this ....

For the Ravens I don't agree with that. The one guy we had on our radar was Hightower. Other than that, Ozzie Newsome said in the press conference last night that the seven other players they would have taken at 29 were still on the board and that's why they traded back. Either way, I like Irvin and after re-reading your last post, while I think it was high, Seattle probably did the right thing because he most likely would not have been there at 43.

[Watson]

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[Segagendude]

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I was surprised at the Browns Weeden pick as well. This is a WR-laden draft, so my hope is Mr. Holmgren is looking to get a WR or two in today's round.

I did like the Richardson pick. With Hillis gone, they needed a running game badly.

Don't know what this means for McCoy, though, other than qb competition.

[Cavsfan4life]

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Put me in this group too. By the time the Browns are ready to make a playoff run, Weeden will likely be on his decline. Then again, I don't think Miami should have drafted Tannehill either. I feel like they should have tried to build up the rest of the team and just take a developmental QB this year. They aren't going to win anything this season. No point reaching on a QB when he has nothing to work with.

H & H are feeling the pressure to start winning games now is a big reason why I think they took Weeden. In the NFL, a team can go from bad to good or good to bad in a matter of a season. Getting Trent and Weeden helps our offense a lot, adding another WR as well as getting an OT/OG will be a solid start to building our offense. As long as Weeden can stay healthy and productive, I can can see him playing a solid 6-7 years.