2024 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Payton - no.

Paton - yes.

Russ wasn't Payton's choice and it was a terrible combination.

Right, that’s why I asked the question.

Payton always had *this* card to pull in the event it didn’t go well in Year 1. A free year basically and you can argue this coming season will be as well, but now that they’ve cut bait on Wilson, I feel like he has until at least 2026 to start showing HIS worth, unless some things happen that aren’t under his control.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Who would be Russell's suitors? It would presumably have to be a team that thinks they are a low end vet QB away from being interesting, which doesn't seem like a huge list. Wilson doesn't seem interested in a backup role or a mentoring role.

Atlanta is,

Hell, any Vet Qb there(Wilson or Cousins) can takeover and they’d probably be the favorite coming out of the South. Defense has some good talent, Offense has some young playmakers there as well.

[LowerWolf]

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Yeah, I'd say Falcons, Raiders, Vikings (if Cousins leaves), Bucs (if Mayfield leaves).

[TheShizNo1]

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Man, y'all gonna stop disrespecting the current NFCS champs.

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[kehlis]

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I would expect it to start ticking after next season.

Or the year after next depending on perspective I guess.

Opinions can vary (and rightfully so) but based on the price they paid for him (second round draft pick), he probably gets at least the next two years. They already are in a bad place.

Read something on The Twitter, in which someone said Russ wasn't terrible this year but Payton's coaching was. Idk how credible the person is and I also didn't watch a lot of Broncos games either. What's your opinion on that?

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The issues Payton had with coaching were mainly clock management stuff and some playing calling/roster management stuff. Nothing that really impacted Russel to be better or worse.

His stats were pretty decent actually. At least compared to last year, he had a real nice season.

His style just doesn't work with what the offense Payton wants.

It was mentioned above but Wilson doesn't go to the middle of the field. He throws short slants, outs and digs. Aside from randomly throwing downfield it's outside the numbers. That's solely speaking to while he's in the pocket.

He's at his best outside of the pocket which is where he had the most success this year but I just don't think that's the way Payton likes to call games.

It was just a bad marriage to begin with.

Right, that’s why I asked the question.

Payton always had *this* card to pull in the event it didn’t go well in Year 1. A free year basically and you can argue this coming season will be as well, but now that they’ve cut bait on Wilson, I feel like he has until at least 2026 to start showing HIS worth, unless some things happen that aren’t under his control.

Yea, I think he has a lot more time than Paton. The team is in bad shape for a lot of reasons and Payton is far from the main reason at this point.

The RW deal has really put them in a tough spot but I think we all know that for the most part the cap is a farce.

[ggsimmonds]

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Opinions can vary (and rightfully so) but based on the price they paid for him (second round draft pick), he probably gets at least the next two years. They already are in a bad place.

Maybe at least 3 if he wants it. Next year is basically a freebie. I think the clock starts ticking this time next year, so its a question of how much clock does he have, and I think 2 years is a good guess.

2024 we know they are likely going to be trash.
But starting 2025 there needs to be some forward steps. My expectation is that it shouldn't be too hard for 2025 to improve upon 2024, so that should buy him at least 2026.

I think the more immediate question would be how committed is he to Denver?

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Atlanta is,

Hell, any Vet Qb there(Wilson or Cousins) can takeover and they’d probably be the favorite coming out of the South. Defense has some good talent, Offense has some young playmakers there as well.

Yeah, I'd say Falcons, Raiders, Vikings (if Cousins leaves), Bucs (if Mayfield leaves).

I don't know that any of those teams is better talent-wise than the Denver team Wilson took over two years ago, so I don't see how he makes them into contenders. Unless Wilson is willing to be a bridge / mentor QB (and nothing I've seen suggests he is) then it seems like a waste of time for them, especially with ATL, LV, and MIN in range of a QB trade.

[KG]

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Russ in the ATL????





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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't know that any of those teams is better talent-wise than the Denver team Wilson took over two years ago, so I don't see how he makes them into contenders. Unless Wilson is willing to be a bridge / mentor QB (and nothing I've seen suggests he is) then it seems like a waste of time for them, especially with ATL, LV, and MIN in range of a QB trade.

Contenders for a SB? Not at all

But to win that division(NFC South)? Absolutely. Hell, Atlanta pretty much had it until that Carolina mess late in the season and that was with Ridder’s bum *** at Qb. Either he or Cousins can get that team to contend for that division while not having to give up anything to get a Qb.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Contenders for a SB? Not at all

But to win that division(NFC South)? Absolutely. Hell, Atlanta pretty much had it until that Carolina mess late in the season and that was with Ridder’s bum *** at Qb. Either he or Cousins can get that team to contend for that division while not having to give up anything to get a Qb.

Sure, and if they still had Smith in there fighting for his job I can see the point. But I don't see why you'd want to bring Russ in to lead you to a wild card home loss when you're sitting there with the 8th overall pick. They need a long term answer at QB and this is their best chance to get one. If Russ comes in and doesn't win you a title, then you're sitting here in 1-2 years trying to figure out how to find a QB with like the 20th overall pick and guys like London and Robinson's rookie deals coming to a close.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Tough day in Buffalo. That White-Poyer-Hyde backfield was one of my favorite units the Bills have ever fielded, and we had them all together and healthy for something like 13 games over the last three seasons.

[slickdtc]

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Cap casualties out the ***. Wonder if some of these guys might come back to Buffalo on a cheaper deal.

Injuries have ravaged us the last couple seasons, but we got some great play out of Hyde/Poyer for 7+ years. Not common to have a tandem stay together so long playing at the level they did. Poor Tre White’s legs are probably shot after the injuries he’s had the last 3 seasons.

One silver lining is BUF seems to be able to develop decent DB’s out of mid, late picks and UDFA’s. I think we’ll be okay but it feels like the heart of the defense has been ripped out. These are the consequences of paying your QB… and we’ve got no hardware to show for it yet.

[Kramer5150]

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Thought this was kinda interesting....

Report: Steelers plan to meet with Russell Wilson

Russell Wilson has permission from the Broncos to speak to teams ahead of his official release and a report on Thursday indicates that one team would like to speak to the quarterback in the coming days.

Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the Steelers are planning to meet with Wilson before free agency gets underway next week. Wilson will be released when the new league year opens on March 13.

Dulac reported in mid-February that the Steelers were not expected to be interested in Wilson or other outside additions like Justin Fields, Kirk Cousins, or Ryan Tannehill, but it appears that's changed as he now reports that there's mutual interest between team and quarterback. He also reports that Wilson has had conversations with at least one other team this week, so that may explain why the Steelers are trying to move quickly.

Kenny Pickett remains on the roster in Pittsburgh and G.M. Omar Khan said that there's interest in re-signing Mason Rudolph, but a Wilson pursuit could signal a change in direction on that front.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-steelers-plan-meet-russell-171005679.html

Also being reported here....

Russell Wilson and Steelers have mutual interest, will meet before free agency

Former Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson will soon be entering his third act in the NFL. After a brilliant 10-year run in Seattle and a dismal two-season stint with the Broncos, Wilson has been released and is free to speak with teams ahead of the official start of free agency next week.

While Wilson is a far cry from the quarterback he was at his peak with the Seahawks, there are still at least a handful of teams who would be getting a big upgrade in their backfield if they were to sign Wilson. One of them is the Steelers, who have arguably the weakst quarterback room in the league – consisting of Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph now that Mitch Trubisky has signed with the Bills.

Apparently there’s mutual interest between Pittsburgh and Wilson and the two sides are planning to meet, per Gerry Dulac.

[reyes the roof]

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Bears agree to 4 year $76 million deal with Jaylon Johnson. I wish he was more durable but they couldn’t afford to lose him

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Sure, and if they still had Smith in there fighting for his job I can see the point. But I don't see why you'd want to bring Russ in to lead you to a wild card home loss when you're sitting there with the 8th overall pick. They need a long term answer at QB and this is their best chance to get one. If Russ comes in and doesn't win you a title, then you're sitting here in 1-2 years trying to figure out how to find a QB with like the 20th overall pick and guys like London and Robinson's rookie deals coming to a close.

You say this as if they can’t address the position in the Draft lol. Getting Wilson doesn’t lock them in with him for the next few years nor does it prevent them from addressing that position. This isn’t some huge project where they’re tearing everything down to the studs. I know they’ve been linked to possibly trading for Fields or going with Cousins, who I also mentioned BTW.

Robinson was drafted last year so they still have time on his deal, London has been up and down(I attribute some of this to Qb play and Smith)but so far, he hasn’t shown himself to be someone you commit big money to. And there’s also the fact that they’re going on 7 years since their last playoff berth and we know *most* of these Owners get when they go more than a few years without making the playoffs.