Official Denver Broncos Thread

[Jonsco28]

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It's going to be a long season. I've said this before and I will say it again...Tebow may not be the answer, but Orton definitely is not. Denver is stuck in nuetral as long as Orton is behind center. At least with Tebow, they can answer some questions. They will not be winning many games this year with Orton as QB. They may not with Tebow either, but at least they will be entertaining to watch, and I'd bet they'd do no worse. I'm sick of watching Orton and the unispired offense he tries to lead.

Tebow is still going to have some very rough times ahead, and I think Bronco fans realize that. Hopefully Fox doesn't have a short leash with him. I'll say it again....just let Tebow be Tebow. Play to his strengths and see what happens.

It was embarrassing. It seems Tebow is at his best when he just plays; simply reacting...not thinking. I don't know how far that will carry him. For now, I'll hang on to believing that he will improve in the other areas. Denver just needs to stick with him this year in order to have a full body of work to evaluate him.

I thought it was interesting that Tebow said ofter the game that he was trying to do things the way they have been teaching him. That's not going to work right now. He looks so uncomfortable. He needs to play his game and let the true QB mechanics develop over time. Tebow is more comfortable out of the gun...keep him in that 90% of the time. When they lined up in that tight formation, two back set, they were very unproductive.

I hope he shows some improvement next week. Either way...questions are being answered.

I totally agree that he has to transition into that type of a QB - eventually. I read that as you expected him to do that right away. Right now, Tebow playing from the shotgun and running the ball is the essence of Tebow. If you take that from him and force him into a purely pro-style offense, he will fail. It doesn't make any sense to me to tailor your game plan to suit your back-up QB.

I'd like to see the Broncos let him do what he is comfortable with at this time and I believe the game will begin to slow down for him. Hopefully from there he will continue to improve. If he makes it, the QB he is today is not the QB he will be at the end of his career.

I was encouraged by what I saw yesterday. Tebow played much better, as did the rest of the team. I'm not too concerned about Tebow's passing stats. Right now, he just needs to be effective. Yesterday he was.

I think you are expecting too much too soon. Just because this is how the game played out doesn't mean that Tebow can't develop. Maybe he won't, I don't know. I do know that he's made plays when it matters.

I do agree that he is going to have to throw more...eventually. But right now, this is working. It's not like a guy like Orton is running this offense. Tebow is built like a linebacker. He really didn't take any hard shots yesterday. You can argue that teams will catch on to what Denver is doing, but I don't know...this is something only Denver is running. Teams don't prepare for this on a regular basis because they never see it. The Jets have three days to prepare for what Denver does. Denver prepares for it every week. They will add more and more wrinkles, and the passing game will become more of a part of it.

I'd like to see them throw in some roll-outs and screen passes. If they can work in some quick passes and take the occassional shot downfield, Denver and Tebow are going to present a multitude of problems for defenses.

This is going to be a process. He's going to have some horrible games. Bank on it. My guess is the Jet game is going to be one of them. It will be interesting to see how he handles it. I just don't think you are going to see Tebow throwing the ball a lot until it becomes a necessity.

You tell ME the last team that had Tebow as their QB... What was unknown about what Denver was going to try to do? It's not trickery. If they were doing nothing but running the fumble-rooskie, Statue of Liberty, hook and lateral, triple reverses, flea-flickers...etc., then I would agree with you. That would be gimmicky. Just because no other NFL team runs this type of offense doesn't make it a gimmick. All teams rely on misdirection. Oh, and Tim Tebow is not Ronnie Brown. Tebow will throw it.

You act like this is it for Tebow...what he did in the last game is all he is ever going to amount to, and that's just purely ridiculous. He will get the chance to develop, but they aren't going to have him go out there and throw the ball all around the yard just because he needs to 'learn' RIGHT NOW. That's absolutely crazy. Why would you want to throw him out there and have him totally out of his comfort zone? That would just be demoralizing to him. Let him do what he does best, and work the rest in over time. That's what they are doing.

Tebow possesses a different skillset than anyone else. The name of the game is winning. There are no style points in football. Denver is doing what is best for the team (and Tebow) at this time. Their strength is running the ball and that is what they are doing. Plus, they are winning. You aren't going to see Tebow throw the ball a lot until they are behind.

You'll probably get your chance to blow your 'I told you so' horn after the Jets game, but this IS A PROCESS. There will be up and downs, and Tebow will improve....OR HE WON'T. All of it will take time and cannot be deciphered one way or another within a span of a few games. Right now he is winning games and there is no reason to do anything different until the situation dictates that they do so. If they were to continue to do this all while losing football games, I'd be more open to your argument.

There doesn't have to be an argument. Everyone has made legitimate points. Nobody knows how this is going to work, but I'm not a 'blind Tebow fan'. I am a Broncos fan. There has been so much negativity surrounding this organization for the past 2-1/2 years that it's nice to have something to get behind.

There are no right, wrong, or immediate answers, and the truth is that what we think or believe doesn't amount to a hill of beans when it comes to what this team is going to do. I think it would be sweet if Denver can find a way to make this work. They can't be a purely option team, but it's one more wrinkle....

I do think Elway would definitely like and prefer a more prototypical QB. I think Elway is just being honest. He truly doesn't know. Nobody does. I would like to see Tebow succeed, but if I had to put money on it either way, I don't know which way I would go.

People need to realize that if the Broncos organization wanted Tebow to fail, it would be very easy. They would have kept the offense the same as it was and he would have sank. They didn't. They played to his strengths.

I figured you needed to read it again.

I really don't know what you are talking about, 86. Find me one post where I stated that Tebow is the answer. All of this started because I knew Orton was not the answer (which he wasn't), and I wanted to see what they had in Tebow.

Yes, I did like what they were doing. They were winning and they were changing their offense to suit Tebow's skillsets. They were doing what they needed to do. Then they plateau'd.

Also, what Denver does in the draft and free-agency most definitely will tip their hand in how the Broncos' brass feels about Tebow. If they take a late round QB and bring in a veteran QB, that says to me that they are looking to move forward with Tebow at least for another year. It they take an early to mid-round QB, they are looking for direct competition to push Tebow for the starting QB job.

[Jonsco28]

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The Broncos just hired Del Rio! That's pretty big. Hopefully he'll be around for a few years before he gets another crack as a head coach.

[Broncos86]

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I figured you needed to read it again.

I really don't know what you are talking about, 86. Find me one post where I stated that Tebow is the answer. All of this started because I knew Orton was not the answer (which he wasn't), and I wanted to see what they had in Tebow.

Yes, I did like what they were doing. They were winning and they were changing their offense to suit Tebow's skillsets. They were doing what they needed to do. Then they plateau'd.

Also, what Denver does in the draft and free-agency most definitely will tip their hand in how the Broncos' brass feels about Tebow. If they take a late round QB and bring in a veteran QB, that says to me that they are looking to move forward with Tebow at least for another year. It they take an early to mid-round QB, they are looking for direct competition to push Tebow for the starting QB job.

You guys crack me up. And thanks for posting those quotes, it helps highlight that you kept talking about "just let Tebow be Tebow" while I argued about developing Tebow as a pocket passer. That was my point, and has always been the argument. My side, which is that the read-option is junk and only sets us back, versus your argument that Tebow should be allowed to "just be Tebow" and play to his strengths.

I wasn't talking about Tebow being the answer or not. Sorry if I somehow alluded to that. Did I give that impression?

[kehlis]

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You guys crack me up. And thanks for posting those quotes, it helps highlight that you kept talking about "just let Tebow be Tebow" while I argued about developing Tebow as a pocket passer. That was my point, and has always been the argument. My side, which is that the read-option is junk and only sets us back, versus your argument that Tebow should be allowed to "just be Tebow" and play to his strengths.

I wasn't talking about Tebow being the answer or not. Sorry if I somehow alluded to that. Did I give that impression?

Why do you always get so defensive? We all want the same thing...

[wwharton]

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Why do you always get so defensive? We all want the same thing...

Really. Just let it go, Broncos86. You called him out and you're wrong... still wrong interpreting what he was saying. Why are you trying to start an argument in your own team thread when everyone wants the same goal?

[Broncos86]

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Why do you always get so defensive? We all want the same thing...

That wasn't defensive at all. In fact, I was being light-hearted before Jonesy went quotalicious on the thread. Then I just wanted to make sure he understood what I meant.

Defensive would've been a scathing retort. I rarely get defensive because I'm usually correct.

Edit: Oh yeesh. Whatever.

[Jonsco28]

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Who is 'Jonesy'?

[Jonsco28]

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Let's get back to talking about the Broncos...

They have 22 free agents (19 unrestricted and 3 restricted). The unrestricted guys are:

Brodrick Bunkley DT
Brian Dawkins S
Daniel Fells TE
Mario Haggan LB
Derrick Harvey DE
Russ Hochstein OL
Jason Hunter DE
Spencer Larsen FB
Joe Mays LB
Ryan McBean DT
Matt Prater K
Brady Quinn QB
Manny Ramirez G
Dante Rosario TE
Eddie Royal WR
Marcus Thomas DT
Jonathan Wilhite CB
Matthew Willis WR
Wesley Woodyard LB

Denver's restricted free agents are:
Lance Ball RB
Chris Clark OT
Britton Colquitt P

Denver's roster could look drastically different next year. A lot of these guys had considerable playing time. Re-signing Prater is a must. I think Dawkins retires. I'd definitely like to see Colquitt, Woodyard, and maybe Royal back as well, but the rest are pretty marginal players. Denver could upgrade the talent pretty much everywhere, but it's not going to happen in one offseason.

Who do you see staying?

[Broncos86]

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Brodrick Bunkley DT Re-signed
Brian Dawkins S RE-signed
Daniel Fells TE RE-signed
Mario Haggan LB Let go
Derrick Harvey DE Let go
Russ Hochstein OL Re-signed
Jason Hunter DE Re-signed, cut during camp
Spencer Larsen FB Re-signed, cut during camp
Joe Mays LB Re-signed
Ryan McBean DT RE-signed
Matt Prater K RE-signed
Brady Quinn QB Let go
Manny Ramirez G Let go
Dante Rosario TE Let go
Eddie Royal WR Re-signed
Marcus Thomas DT Re-signed
Jonathan Wilhite CB Re-signed, cut during camp
Matthew Willis WR Re-signed
Wesley Woodyard LB Re-signed

Denver's restricted free agents are:
Lance Ball RB Re-signed
Chris Clark OT Let go
Britton Colquitt P Re-signed

I think Dawkins gives it one more year to play under Del Rio, but battles health issues all year. Just my gut feeling. I don't think he's the kind of guy to allow the pro bowl as his final NFL game. I totally agree with you on Prater, Royal, Woodyard, and Colquitt. I think a lot of these guys are re-signed with the intent of being quality second-string players who will offer stability in the system but could risk being cut during camp.

[kehlis]

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Brodrick Bunkley DT Re-signed
Brian Dawkins S RE-signed
Daniel Fells TE RE-signed
Mario Haggan LB Let go
Derrick Harvey DE Let go
Russ Hochstein OL Re-signed
Jason Hunter DE Re-signed, cut during camp
Spencer Larsen FB Re-signed, cut during camp
Joe Mays LB Re-signed
Ryan McBean DT RE-signed
Matt Prater K RE-signed
Brady Quinn QB Let go
Manny Ramirez G Let go
Dante Rosario TE Let go
Eddie Royal WR Re-signed
Marcus Thomas DT Re-signed
Jonathan Wilhite CB Re-signed, cut during camp
Matthew Willis WR Re-signed
Wesley Woodyard LB Re-signed

Denver's restricted free agents are:
Lance Ball RB Re-signed
Chris Clark OT Let go
Britton Colquitt P Re-signed

I think Dawkins gives it one more year to play under Del Rio, but battles health issues all year. Just my gut feeling. I don't think he's the kind of guy to allow the pro bowl as his final NFL game. I totally agree with you on Prater, Royal, Woodyard, and Colquitt. I think a lot of these guys are re-signed with the intent of being quality second-string players who will offer stability in the system but could risk being cut during camp.

I like your list with the exception of Haggan. I would like to see him re-signed.

[wwharton]

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Unless Dawkins finally wins a SB he won't have a choice but to have the Pro Bowl being his final NFL game.

[Jonsco28]

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Unless Dawkins finally wins a SB he won't have a choice but to have the Pro Bowl being his final NFL game.

Interesting...and I see where you are going with that, but do you think that even if he comes back next year and has a season hampered by injuries that he would still make the Pro Bowl? Maybe he would just based on reputation.

I think he's done as a Bronco. He's been a valuable asset and I think Denver will let him try to give it a go if he wants to do so, but I can see the same thing happening to him as what happened to Lynch.

[Jonsco28]

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Brodrick Bunkley DT Re-signed
Brian Dawkins S RE-signed
Daniel Fells TE RE-signed
Mario Haggan LB Let go
Derrick Harvey DE Let go
Russ Hochstein OL Re-signed
Jason Hunter DE Re-signed, cut during camp
Spencer Larsen FB Re-signed, cut during camp
Joe Mays LB Re-signed
Ryan McBean DT RE-signed
Matt Prater K RE-signed
Brady Quinn QB Let go
Manny Ramirez G Let go
Dante Rosario TE Let go
Eddie Royal WR Re-signed
Marcus Thomas DT Re-signed
Jonathan Wilhite CB Re-signed, cut during camp
Matthew Willis WR Re-signed
Wesley Woodyard LB Re-signed

Denver's restricted free agents are:
Lance Ball RB Re-signed
Chris Clark OT Let go
Britton Colquitt P Re-signed

I can't disagree with that, but I do agree with Kehlis about Haggan. I like him as well. The future of Mays and Haggan may be tied to what Denver has in Nate Irving...who was absent all season.

Who stays and who goes won't just be a matter of whether or not Denver wants to retain them. I think there are a few guys in this list that are going to garner attention from other teams - namely the four guys that I want to see them keep (Prater, Colquitt, Woodyard, and Royal). I also wouldn't be surprised if guys like Bunkley and Thomas got an offer somewhere else.

[wwharton]

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Interesting...and I see where you are going with that, but do you think that even if he comes back next year and has a season hampered by injuries that he would still make the Pro Bowl? Maybe he would just based on reputation.

I think he's done as a Bronco. He's been a valuable asset and I think Denver will let him try to give it a go if he wants to do so, but I can see the same thing happening to him as what happened to Lynch.

Interesting question. With the nature of the Pro Bowl I wouldn't be surprised, but it'd depend on how much time he missed. But (as I think you already know) I was thinking in terms of it being the last possible game for any player that's not in the SB.

[Broncos86]

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I like Haggan too, but I think Woodyard and Mays both had really good years and Haggan was essentially special teams (if I recall).