Official Denver Broncos Thread

[Broncos86]

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Personally, the Chiefs are in the same situation we were in. They just need a very crucial piece. Had we not landed Manning, we could've been in the exact same boat as the Chiefs. Does this sound familiar? Solid defense, good running game, QBs who can't get the ball to good receivers. That was us. Heck, they even had Brady Quinn.

The difference between Alex Smith and Matt Cassel is that Cassel was a bench warmer his whole career (including college) before Tom Brady went down. Alex Smith has been through so much that at this point in his career, I doubt anything can phase him.

I thought Alex Smith was going to the pro bowl last year, and I would've been right had he not received a concussion. Andy Reid knows how to handle quarterbacks, and Alex Smith spent the better part of his NFL career adjusting to new coaches and offensive playbooks. But Alex Smith isn't Peyton Manning (who is?). He isn't going to walk into K.C. and just lift the team. He'll need that running game, that defense, and the coaching to really succeed. K.C. fans can't expect him to just "put da team on his back."

[Jonsco28]

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Slow your roll there Jonesy, lol. Even in that thread I said (and stand by) the Chiefs having a good number of pieces. Also like then, here I am NOT saying it means they will do anything. They are severely lacking in depth and experience all over the place. But considering what they have added, what they could add and the last place schedule, it wont be a surprise if they stay healthy and make some noise. It really wasn't that long ago that they won 11 games with a team worse than what they'll have next year.

I'm just giving you crap...

I think the Chiefs will be better (how can they not?), but I don't know if they will really be ready to push for the playoffs. I believe that their 11 win season came off of a last place schedule, so who knows? New coach and new QB....that could take some time. Reid's a good coach and I think Alex Smith is a solid NFL QB. They may work well together. Smith is hard to judge though, simply because of all the volatility he's had in all of previous systems / coaching. It still surprises me a little that he lost his job in SF.

It wasn't just here at OS - all kinds of 'experts' were picking the Chiefs to win the division. I didn't see it, but you don't see teams very often fall THAT short of projections. 2 wins? They were simply awful.

For that matter, I'm not even entirely conviced that Matt Cassel is as bad as he's been made out to be.

Broncos' fans being defensive? Yeah, I can see that. It was a rough finish this year, but looking back at where Denver was a couple of years ago... it feels pretty good.

[wwharton]

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I'm just giving you crap...

I think the Chiefs will be better (how can they not?), but I don't know if they will really be ready to push for the playoffs. I believe that their 11 win season came off of a last place schedule, so who knows? New coach and new QB....that could take some time. Reid's a good coach and I think Alex Smith is a solid NFL QB. They may work well together. Smith is hard to judge though, simply because of all the volatility he's had in all of previous systems / coaching. It still surprises me a little that he lost his job in SF.

It wasn't just here at OS - all kinds of 'experts' were picking the Chiefs to win the division. I didn't see it, but you don't see teams very often fall THAT short of projections. 2 wins? They were simply awful.

For that matter, I'm not even entirely conviced that Matt Cassel is as bad as he's been made out to be.

Broncos' fans being defensive? Yeah, I can see that. It was a rough finish this year, but looking back at where Denver was a couple of years ago... it feels pretty good.

Giving me crap? I know, it's all good

They're coming off a last place schedule again which is part of why I can see it happening.

As for the "they're winning the division" talk, I honestly haven't heard it anywhere. Not just here but anywhere. Are you sure you're not talking about people saying they could make a push for the playoffs and assuming that'd mean they'd win the division?

Basically, Broncos86 said what I was trying to say (and much better).

[Jonsco28]

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I was referencing last year. I haven't heard any talk about them winning the AFC West this year, I don't think there will be any talk of that. It's way too early for any predictions, but if I was putting money on it, I'd bet on Denver.

[wwharton]

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I was referencing last year. I haven't heard any talk about them winning the AFC West this year, I don't think there will be any talk of that. It's way too early for any predictions, but if I was putting money on it, I'd bet on Denver.

Wait where'd you hear that LAST year. I thought this was all about that kind of talk bc they got Smith. If you're talking about that stupid thread the banned guy made, I know you were just joking about that (I hope! lol).

[Jonsco28]

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Wait where'd you hear that LAST year. I thought this was all about that kind of talk bc they got Smith. If you're talking about that stupid thread the banned guy made, I know you were just joking about that (I hope! lol).

Yes, I was referring to the 'Chiefs are good....really good' thread, but it wasn't just there. I listen to Sirius NFL Radio a lot and many of the guys had the Chiefs picked to win the AFC West last year, not to mention many ESPN analysts.

[wwharton]

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Yes, I was referring to the 'Chiefs are good....really good' thread, but it wasn't just there. I listen to Sirius NFL Radio a lot and many of the guys had the Chiefs picked to win the AFC West last year, not to mention many ESPN analysts.

I don't remember that on espn. I dropped the NFL radio from my sirius (not sure how I feel about that) so I'll just have to take your word for that one.

[TRC]

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I don't remember that on espn. I dropped the NFL radio from my sirius (not sure how I feel about that) so I'll just have to take your word for that one.

NFL Network also. Peyton's first year with Denver plus the fact that he didn't play for a year was the reason for the doubts of a few pundits; thus, creating the early predictions of KC possibly winning the division with a 10-6 record. These same folks also thought that KC's underachieving D would wake up last season. Similar things were even said the year prior (2 years ago) by a few as it was more about their defense.

With that being said, is it time to say that maybe KC's defense is really not as good as most may be lead to believe???

I will say that KC made a couple of great moves this week by re-signing Bowe and Colquitt which enabled them to place the franchise tag on Albert.

[wwharton]

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NFL Network also. Peyton's first year with Denver plus the fact that he didn't play for a year was the reason for the doubts of a few pundits; thus, creating the early predictions of KC possibly winning the division with a 10-6 record. These same folks also thought that KC's underachieving D would wake up last season. Similar things were even said the year prior (2 years ago) by a few as it was more about their defense.

With that being said, is it time to say that maybe KC's defense is really not as good as most may be lead to believe???

I will say that KC made a couple of great moves this week by re-signing Bowe and Colquitt which enabled them to place the franchise tag on Albert.

Well 2 years ago they were coming off a season when they won the division and the Broncos had more question marks.

As for the D, it's legit. I don't think anyone is calling them the 2000 Ravens but they are a good defense. The Chiefs had an insane amount of important injuries last year. I still don't think they're a great team by any means, but they're much better than what they ended up at last year.

Enough on that. If I'm going to highjack a Broncos thread I should at least be talking about the Ravens. I don't even like the Chiefs, lol.

[Jonsco28]

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I'm glad to hear that the Broncos are saying that Dumervil has to restructure his deal or he's gone. I hated the deal he got from day 1.

Would you guys rather see Dumervil or Freeney? That's a tough one. I'd almost say Freeney, as he would cost less and I think his production level would increase playing on the opposite side of Miller. I've lost a lot of faith in Dumervil. He is MIA way too often.

[wwharton]

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I'm glad to hear that the Broncos are saying that Dumervil has to restructure his deal or he's gone. I hated the deal he got from day 1.

Would you guys rather see Dumervil or Freeney? That's a tough one. I'd almost say Freeney, as he would cost less and I think his production level would increase playing on the opposite side of Miller. I've lost a lot of faith in Dumervil. He is MIA way too often.

Wow, I haven't seen enough Bronco games to really chime in here but I'm surprised to hear your take on this. Dumervil is much younger than Freeney, isn't he? I don't know what Freeney is asking for but whatever it is, I would think Dumervil would be the answer... even if it's just bc of a bird in the hand being worth two in the bush (factoring in a bit of Freeney last year, it's always an unknown how players will look moving to a new team).

[Broncos86]

Dumervil is overrated. He's a liability against the run, and he can't even generate consistent pressure with Miller taking double teams on the other side. Many of his sacks this year were garbage sacks late in the game. He's not worth the money. Put Wolfe or Ayers on the edge and cut/trade Dumervil.

[TRC]

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It was widely known that Dumervil was being grossly over-paid once Denver re-signed him for $12M per year after showing just one productive year. He has not lived up to his contract, and Denver is justified when asking him to take a reduction in pay. I like Doom and would't want to see him go, but his contract is the 3rd highest on the team (Manning and Bailey are #1 & 2). Freeney could have just as many sacks opposite Miller as Dumervil did last year at half the salary. Freeney is 33 years old and Doom is 29. Denver may be well off to see what they can get for Elvis now... which has been a recipe for success for the Pats.

[Jonsco28]

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Wow, I haven't seen enough Bronco games to really chime in here but I'm surprised to hear your take on this. Dumervil is much younger than Freeney, isn't he? I don't know what Freeney is asking for but whatever it is, I would think Dumervil would be the answer... even if it's just bc of a bird in the hand being worth two in the bush (factoring in a bit of Freeney last year, it's always an unknown how players will look moving to a new team).

Dumervil should have had a great season playing opposite Miller, and it didn't happen. There were entire games where he wasn't even mentioned. He's getting paid superstar money, but he's a C player at best - living off of the 17 sack season he got three years ago. Most people outside of Denver still see him as 'that' guy.

Dumervil is undersized and his motor doesn't run at 110% all of the time. If you watch the line play, he doesn't bring it every play. As he has gotten older, I think the fact that he is undersized has effected him drastically. He routinely gets dominated on the line of scrimmage straight up, and like 86 said...he's pretty much a non-factor against the run.

Personally, I hope they don't come to an agreement and he's gone. They would be far better off spending the money on two or three other quality linemen who, quite honestly, would probably out-perform Dumervil.

[SkeeterJD]

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Denver has brought in a countless number of re-treads at DL with limited to no success at all...ala Simeon Rice, Daryl Gardner, Courtney Brownand Jarvis Green to name a few. It's hard to say if Freeney has much left in the tank but I do agree with everyone here in terms of Elvis being over-paid. I'll be excited to see if the game slows down for Wolfe and he can be a more impact player next year but as it stands right now, they really don't have much to speak of in terms of quality, impactful defensive linemen.