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  • tyler289
    MVP
    • Jul 2006
    • 2933

    #661
    Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

    Originally posted by Money99
    VS actually posted the best ratings for a hockey game on cable TV in quite some time:





    Hockey's ratings are abysmal if you compare them to MLB or the NFL.

    However, if you combine ratings from Canada and the US, I've heard that it's quite comparable to the NBA's total North American viewership.
    Yea, I meant comparing them to the NBA and MLB. They're improving, but still disappointing when in comparison to other sports.

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    • metallicatz
      Banned
      • Sep 2003
      • 1869

      #662
      Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

      Excellent article by Justin Bourne about the mental nutjobs on the internet and their ******** conspiracy theories about officials.



      As Round 1 of the playoffs heats up, crazy things are starting to happen: Some fans are seeing their favorite team lose.

      Inexplicably.

      After how hard they’ve cheered and how hard their boys have worked, some team has had the audacity to finish with more goals at the end of a game than their team.

      You know why, don’t you? The league wants that other team to win. For TV ratings. To sell merchandise. For the same reason they rigged games last year so the league’s precious golden boy, Sidney Crosby, could win a Cup.

      These theories are from people who, as Wayne Campbell of Wayne’s World used to say, have gone mental. Sure, the league would like its top moneymakers to do well, but not to the point of physically affecting games (which, by the way, they couldn’t do if they tried).
      It demeans what players do to imply that success comes from anything other than their own fitness, work ethic, decision-making and skills. Logically, if the NHL were able to manipulate things, the way online hockey fans imply, don’t you think they’d start with the major hockey markets?

      The New York Rangers last won the Cup in 1994 and have missed the playoffs eight times over that 16-year span.

      The Toronto Maple Leafs are the biggest hockey market in the league and the last time they saw a single shift of post-season action was the 2003-04 season. As in six years ago, when the league still played such a gross style that its leading scorer at the time, Martin St-Louis, was the only guy to crack 90 points. Worse still, he led second place by seven points. That NHL seems like it died decades ago and we haven’t seen a good Leafs team since.

      And what about the players? You don’t think they’d know if the league was up to some funny business? “Boy, it sure seems strange that we have so many home games this year,” Crosby whispered to Malkin, who by some strange coincidence happens to be ON THE SAME TEAM.

      But no – the guys in the action, working their hardest, dealing with the union reps, their agents, media and more have no idea the fix is in. Of course not. But you, catching the highlights on TSN or the NHL Network four nights a week, you’ve got it dialed in. Got it.

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      • Qb
        All Star
        • Mar 2003
        • 8797

        #663
        Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

        Originally posted by Money99
        My view is the game has simply gotten too fast and too clogged for the referees of today to have any sort of consistency.
        I think what we're seeing now is basically what we're going to get the rest of the way.
        I think this is it in a nutshell. Players are bigger/faster/stronger than ever, there's less open ice and more congestion, ever-changing rules & interpretations thereof, and ample opportunity for our hyper-critical culture to endlessly prattle on about it.

        Fortunately (to use the term as loosely as possible), it's the same for every team, even if our perception as fans causes us to see otherwise with every call that goes the other way.


        Originally posted by metallicatz
        Excellent article by Justin Bourne about the mental nutjobs on the internet and their ******** conspiracy theories about officials.
        Bourne has had some good blogs at THN on a variety of topics you don't normally hear a player speaking so candidly about. Thanks for the link.

        I can never buy any "the fix is in" conspiracy theories because <strike>I'm a Penguins fan and we all know everything is rigged in their favor</strike> it would be league-suicide by the NHL to attempt to intentionally manipulate game results. There is a big difference between not suspending a star player or implied/allowed leniency to "let the players play" and NHL brass saying "Team A needs to win/lose... make it happen."

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        • ianlast
          Rookie
          • Mar 2008
          • 451

          #664
          Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

          Originally posted by slickdtc

          I hope the Flyers go with skill players instead of Riley Cote to plug in the holes. Ville Leino should be in, and I'm hoping Andreas Nodl breaks back into the lineup as the other addition. We lost two skill players, so let's replace them with two skill players. We don't need a useless goon like Cote in the playoffs, or any time pretty much, for that matter.
          Agreed. It's almost for sure that Leino will be in the lineup, and then it will probably be Nodl or David Laliberte.

          Riley Cote. That guy is useless, he's not even a good fighter.

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          • Scottdau
            Banned
            • Feb 2003
            • 32580

            #665
            Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

            I get so freaking sick and tired of refs is the reason we lost the game statement. To me the refs do a great job. People just can't believe they lost the game, so they blame the refs. It is like that in any sport. I guess it is because we put our heart and soul into these teams and when they lose and let us down, we have to find a reason why they lost. The bottom line is each team have star players that can take over a game any night. That is sports. People can say the Sharks choked, but the truth is in my opinion it is tough win in the NHL. In this playoffs all the teams are pretty even. Anyone can win. Though Sid is freaking taking his team on his back and they will be tough to beat. Hate him or love him that kid is BEASTING. (that is for you Dr. Jones)

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            • Money99
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2002
              • 12696

              #666
              Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

              Originally posted by Scottdau
              I get so freaking sick and tired of refs is the reason we lost the game statement. To me the refs do a great job. People just can't believe they lost the game, so they blame the refs. It is like that in any sport. I guess it is because we put our heart and soul into these teams and when they lose and let us down, we have to find a reason why they lost. The bottom line is each team have star players that can take over a game any night. That is sports. People can say the Sharks choked, but the truth is in my opinion it is tough win in the NHL. In this playoffs all the teams are pretty even. Anyone can win. Though Sid is freaking taking his team on his back and they will be tough to beat. Hate him or love him that kid is BEASTING. (that is for you Dr. Jones)
              Parity also shines a brighter light on officiating too.
              It's not the old days when you knew the Oilers were going to spank the Jets in the first round, or watch the Habs demolish my Nordiques.
              Every team is so freaking close that one bad call can lead to a shift in a game or series.
              And then everyone can look back and go "that horse**** hook caused us the series!".

              Also, back in the day, refs just swallowed their whistled and let everything go. They're trying to call everything from the 1st period to the last (as they should) so that also puts more pressure on good and bad calls.

              I don't care what anyone says, NHL hockey is the hardest sport to officiate. But I think we should at least take some solace into the fact that the NHL is considered far better than the NFL and NBA as far as officiating goes. Or at least, that's what fans and players have voted.
              Last edited by Money99; 04-21-2010, 02:41 PM.

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              • Qb
                All Star
                • Mar 2003
                • 8797

                #667
                Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                Originally posted by Money99
                I don't care what anyone says, NHL hockey is the hardest sport to officiate. But I think we should at least take some solace into the fact that the NHL is considered far better than the NFL and NBA as far as officiating goes. Or at least, that's what fans and players have voted.
                I guess it's safe to assume the OS hockey forum was not a part of that survey...

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                • Money99
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 12696

                  #668
                  Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                  Originally posted by Qb
                  I guess it's safe to assume the OS hockey forum was not a part of that survey...
                  LOL. Probably not.

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                  • slickdtc
                    Grayscale
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 17125

                    #669
                    Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread



                    Scott, I think it's in between. The refs don't have as big an impact as some people say, and they also aren't completely immune to effecting the outcome of games. And eventually, if you watch long enough, the calls will balance themselves out. So it's frustrating as all hell when a call directly leads to a loss, but sometime down the road, you'll be on the other end of the hockey stick (like the Flyers were last night with the bad call on Zajac and subsequent Flyers eventual GWG). So I try not to get too wrapped up in that whole ref debate.

                    Back to hockey... are the Canadiens dead? Was Game 1 just an abberation? It's hard to call a series over so early, but I think Washington is back on their game and will finish this in 5 or an easier-then-meets-the-eye 6 games.
                    NHL - Philadelphia Flyers
                    NFL - Buffalo Bills
                    MLB - Cincinnati Reds


                    Originally posted by Money99
                    And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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                    • slickdtc
                      Grayscale
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 17125

                      #670
                      Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                      As for which league has the worst officiating, probably the NBA. Then the NHL. MLB is tough to call because every pitch is an official's call, and we've seen some wacky strike zones, so I'll let them pass on this. I actually think the NFL has the best officiating hands down.
                      NHL - Philadelphia Flyers
                      NFL - Buffalo Bills
                      MLB - Cincinnati Reds


                      Originally posted by Money99
                      And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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                      • Fiddy
                        Twitch/YouTube: Fiddy14
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 12683

                        #671
                        Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                        i really think the NBA is the toughest to officiate.. small slap on wrists here and there while driving to the lane, called, not called etc.. thats a tough sport to ref IMO..

                        also, Gagne out 3 weeks and Carter out indefinitely..
                        Last edited by Fiddy; 04-21-2010, 03:00 PM.
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                        • Skerik
                          Living in this tube
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 5215

                          #672
                          Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                          Originally posted by Fiddy
                          also, Gagne out 3 weeks and Carter out indefinitely..
                          Every year. Every ****ing year....
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                          Dash: [muttering] Which is another way of saying no one is.

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                          • Scottdau
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 32580

                            #673
                            Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                            I am sure the refs have sonme say in the out come, but that is sports. The one thing I would like is on high stick calls that are majors. I would like to see those go to a review to see if it was that guys stick or the guy that got the high stick team mate. I have seen that happen a lot.

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                            • DrJones
                              All Star
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 9109

                              #674
                              Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                              Since we're on the topics of refs, the idea of NHL coaches having a "challenge flag" to force the refs to review a penalty call/non-call (or something else that isn't currently reviewable) is being discussed. Thoughts?
                              Originally posted by Thrash13
                              Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                              Originally posted by slickdtc
                              DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                              Originally posted by Kipnis22
                              yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                              • humaca80
                                Pro
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 649

                                #675
                                Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                                Let's go BUF-FA-LO!!!!!!!!!

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