NHL 2016 Off-Season Thread

[Psyblast]

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Leafs trade Bernier to Anaheim for a conditional draft pick.


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[daflyboys]

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Did they ever announced the ROY? I can't find anything anywhere.

[SidVish]

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Did they ever announced the ROY? I can't find anything anywhere.

[Madman55]

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Jets re-sign Scheifele for 8yr/49M. Not a fan of it. HUGE money for a guy who has scored 20G/50P in a single season once so far (although he had 49 points 2 years ago) and it sounds like he's expected to slot in on the 2nd line this season and Little still has 2 years at 4.7m

[Kobalt]

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MacKinnon got 7yr/44.1M

[Money99]

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Jets re-sign Scheifele for 8yr/49M. Not a fan of it. HUGE money for a guy who has scored 20G/50P in a single season once so far (although he had 49 points 2 years ago) and it sounds like he's expected to slot in on the 2nd line this season and Little still has 2 years at 4.7m

I'm a big fan of Scheifele and I think he's only showing a glimpse of what he can do.
In today's NHL you're a mega-star if you score 90+ points so I don't know if he'll hit that number consistently, but I wouldn't be shocked if he averages 70-80 points a season for the next 5 to 6 seasons.
I hope I'm right anyway.

And remember, there's a legit chance he get Laine as his winger for most of that.
That kid's going to be something special too.

[DrJones]

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I'm a big fan of Scheifele and I think he's only showing a glimpse of what he can do.
In today's NHL you're a mega-star if you score 90+ points so I don't know if he'll hit that number consistently, but I wouldn't be shocked if he averages 70-80 points a season for the next 5 to 6 seasons.

Averaged 80+ points over last 3 seasons: Crosby, Benn
Averaged 70-79 points over last 3 seasons: Kane, Seguin, Ovechkin, Pavelski, Backstrom, Giroux, Thornton, Tavares, Karlsson, Getzlaf

I'll take the under.

[Money99]

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Averaged 80+ points over last 3 seasons: Crosby, Benn
Averaged 70-79 points over last 3 seasons: Kane, Seguin, Ovechkin, Pavelski, Backstrom, Giroux, Thornton, Tavares, Karlsson, Getzlaf

I'll take the under.

Which only makes his new contract even better.
$6M for even 65-pts-per-season is great in comparison to what those guys produce and earn.

[Money99]

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This was awesome. Agree or disagree with his opinion, I found this clip hilarious.
"Shane Doan is the Stanley Cup of sucking", hahaha!

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[DrJones]

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Which only makes his new contract even better.
$6M for even 65-pts-per-season is great in comparison to what those guys produce and earn.

I don't really understand this statement. You presume a level of production for Schiefele that only truly elite players can sustain (note that I used only 3 seasons in my example, not 5-6), then imply that the players I listed don't produce at levels commensurate with their salaries?

Benn, Seguin, Pavelski, and Tavares all earn less than Schiefele's 6.1M.

Karlsson makes 6.5M, Backstrom 6.7M, Thornton 6.75M.

It's true that Crosby, Ovi, and Kane make a ton of money. They also have 6 MVPs, 4 scoring titles, and 5 Cups between them. Ovechkin is the oldest of this trio at age 30.

[Money99]

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I don't really understand this statement. You presume a level of production for Schiefele that only truly elite players can sustain (note that I used only 3 seasons in my example, not 5-6), then imply that the players I listed don't produce at levels commensurate with their salaries?

Benn, Seguin, Pavelski, and Tavares all earn less than Schiefele's 6.1M.

Karlsson makes 6.5M, Backstrom 6.7M, Thornton 6.75M.

It's true that Crosby, Ovi, and Kane make a ton of money. They also have 6 MVPs, 4 scoring titles, and 5 Cups between them. Ovechkin is the oldest of this trio at age 30.

I could name a few guys that make way too much money and offer half of what Schiefel produces too.
Mike Green comes to mind.
Then there's Darren Helm who's 29, plays on the 4th line and earns nearly $4M a year.

I look at contracts like Shea Weber or Zetterberg, etc, etc.
We could go back and forth all day about who's worth what.

My original point was simply to aleve Madman's worry's about giving so much money to a young player who's only had 2 decent years, and realistically a great 2nd half.
I believe he's going to be good. He disagrees, and perhaps you do too.
But I don't think locking up a 22 YO forward who looks to be on the precipice of unlocking his potential for $6M a year is a big gamble.
Compared to some of the players in this league making ungodly amounts to average 75 points a year - especially with players in their late 20's and early 30's, I think this contract has potential to be a steal.

[DrJones]

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So, to summarize the last few posts:

"Schiefele's contract is great. He's going to average 70-80 points over the next 5 years."

"I doubt it, since virtually nobody does, except a few players with HOF-level offensive talent. Like these guys."

"Even better! Even if he scores only 65 points a season, Schiefele's bang-for-buck is way better than the guys you mentioned."

"Most of the guys I mentioned earn less or similar money than Schiefele. Except for the reigning MVP and two of the top 10 forwards in hockey history."

"Schiefele's contract is way better than Darren Helm's!"

[Money99]

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So, to summarize the last few posts:

"Schiefele's contract is great. He's going to average 70-80 points over the next 5 years."

"I doubt it, since virtually nobody does, except a few players with HOF-level offensive talent. Like these guys."

"Even better! Even if he scores only 65 points a season, Schiefele's bang-for-buck is way better than the guys you mentioned."

"Most of the guys I mentioned earn less or similar money than Schiefele. Except for the reigning MVP and two of the top 10 forwards in hockey history."

"Schiefele's contract is way better than Darren Helm's!"

You're right. I'm wrong.
Feel better?

All I was trying to say is that his contract isn't a bad one. He's a young player who has great potential.
There are many contracts that are potentially better or worse than his.
With Laine as his possible winger this season, I don't think it's out of the range of possibilities he scores 70+ this season.

[Madman55]

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Personally, I think the Jets should keep the Scheifele/Wheeler/Ehlers line together. When Maurice put that line together that's when Scheifele took off (pun?). Keep that line together and put Laine with Little once he's back, give him a legitimate winger. The Jets could potentially have Ehlers/Scheifele/Wheeler and Connor/Little/Laine as their top 6. I think this will be a defining season for Scheifele. He'll be 24, going into his 4th full NHL season and barring injury/major changes, will play with 2 wingers he built tons of chemistry with.

[Psyblast]

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8 years, $9.5M AAV for Jamie Benn in Dallas.


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