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  • baa7
    Banned
    • Jul 2004
    • 11691

    #46
    Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

    Originally posted by RealmK
    its just very very good at an unrealistic level.
    Exactly like the A.I. in NHL 09 on the higher levels, in other words.

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    • baa7
      Banned
      • Jul 2004
      • 11691

      #47
      Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

      Originally posted by masterkembo
      -40 shouldn't happen for the CPU or the USER. If I have to shoot -40 to win a tournament, that is kind of unrealistic.
      It's very unrealistic. And if that was the case with every tourney, it would be a problem. But it's not every tourney apparently. Someone said -13 was the winning score in one tourney they played. Me, I don't care about winning. I care about having a challenge. Sounds like they got rid of the rubberband AI which, IMO, was many times worse than the this concern.

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      • RealmK
        Banned
        • Sep 2003
        • 4198

        #48
        Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

        Originally posted by baa7
        Exactly like the A.I. in NHL 09 on the higher levels, in other words.
        No its not at all like that. You have direct control against the AI in NHL, you don't in golf. I'm all for a challenge, the AI here just isn't tuned enough. I thought it was fine in previous years, not sure what changed with 10.

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        • pskepsilon
          Rookie
          • Jul 2003
          • 66

          #49
          Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

          Originally posted by baa7
          It's very unrealistic. And if that was the case with every tourney, it would be a problem. But it's not every tourney apparently. Someone said -13 was the winning score in one tourney they played. Me, I don't care about winning. I care about having a challenge. Sounds like they got rid of the rubberband AI which, IMO, was many times worse than the this concern.
          This is why I asked about whether the difficulty level plays a role in the typical CPU performance. It's complicated a bit because I have the Wii version this year and the Wii version only has three difficulty levels (All-Play, Standard, and Advanced) while I'd imagine the next-gen versions have four like they did last year (Beginner, Balanced, Hard, and Tour Pro.)

          I had the PS3 version last year and I know that the typical CPU performance varied based on the difficulty (i.e. on Balanced the scores would be a bit lower on average than on Hard, and the same with Tour Pro.) I'm curious if the same thing is the case this year, and whether it applies similarly to the Wii version.

          If the scores are ridiculously low on Advanced but more reasonable on Standard, then I can see myself playing on Standard and just turning off putt preview/spin control and tuning my clubs to "simulate" Advanced difficulty. But if they're ridiculous no matter what, then there's nothing that can be done at all.

          But I'm not sure what you mean when you say you don't care about winning, you care about having a challenge. Pretty much by definition, scoring like this means that you have to be so good at the game that it's not a challenge by any reasonable definition of the term. The rubberband AI would at least make it so that if you were being challenged and scoring in the upper 60's, the CPU would be largely playing with you. When the AI is such that you're just forced to put up insanely low numbers to compete, it's not really a challenge so much as it is an unrealistically high bar that it set.

          In short, I guess I'm saying this: if you're shooting in the low 60's or the upper 50's every single round, you're not being challenged. If you're playing the best you can and score in the middle or upper 60's, then you are.

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          • MrArlingtonBeach
            MVP
            • Feb 2009
            • 4530

            #50
            Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

            I have yet to see any scores near -40...All the tourneys I have seen so far (the PGA Champions Event @ Pinehurst, the Buick Invitational, AT&T Pro-Am, and the Twin Cities Tournament) have been pretty realistic.

            The first three events were all won with scores in the -20 range, with -28 by Tiger in the PGA Champions event being the lowest. I just finished the first round of the Twin Cities tourney @ Hazeltine in first place, having shot -9 (two shots ahead of second place).
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            • pskepsilon
              Rookie
              • Jul 2003
              • 66

              #51
              Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

              Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
              I have yet to see any scores near -40...All the tourneys I have seen so far (the PGA Champions Event @ Pinehurst, the Buick Invitational, AT&T Pro-Am, and the Twin Cities Tournament) have been pretty realistic.

              The first three events were all won with scores in the -20 range, with -28 by Tiger in the PGA Champions event being the lowest. I just finished the first round of the Twin Cities tourney @ Hazeltine in first place, having shot -9 (two shots ahead of second place).
              What system and difficulty are you playing on?

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              • baa7
                Banned
                • Jul 2004
                • 11691

                #52
                Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                Originally posted by pskepsilon
                But I'm not sure what you mean when you say you don't care about winning, you care about having a challenge... if you're shooting in the low 60's or the upper 50's every single round, you're not being challenged. If you're playing the best you can and score in the middle or upper 60's, then you are.
                I'm not interested in winning every tourney. I play to improve my game and get my average score down. Right now I've yet to break par on 18 holes. That's my next "challenge." The thought of ever winning a tourney is more or less a pipe dream at this point, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

                You're correct that the issue could have to do with how the CPU plays on each difficulty level. I said as much a few pages back -- that the OP was probably playing on Beginner level to have the CPU shoot -40.
                Last edited by baa7; 06-16-2009, 01:55 PM.

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                • Seymour Scagnetti
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 2489

                  #53
                  Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                  Originally posted by pskepsilon
                  This is why I asked about whether the difficulty level plays a role in the typical CPU performance. It's complicated a bit because I have the Wii version this year and the Wii version only has three difficulty levels (All-Play, Standard, and Advanced) while I'd imagine the next-gen versions have four like they did last year (Beginner, Balanced, Hard, and Tour Pro.)

                  I had the PS3 version last year and I know that the typical CPU performance varied based on the difficulty (i.e. on Balanced the scores would be a bit lower on average than on Hard, and the same with Tour Pro.) I'm curious if the same thing is the case this year, and whether it applies similarly to the Wii version.

                  If the scores are ridiculously low on Advanced but more reasonable on Standard, then I can see myself playing on Standard and just turning off putt preview/spin control and tuning my clubs to "simulate" Advanced difficulty. But if they're ridiculous no matter what, then there's nothing that can be done at all.

                  But I'm not sure what you mean when you say you don't care about winning, you care about having a challenge. Pretty much by definition, scoring like this means that you have to be so good at the game that it's not a challenge by any reasonable definition of the term. The rubberband AI would at least make it so that if you were being challenged and scoring in the upper 60's, the CPU would be largely playing with you. When the AI is such that you're just forced to put up insanely low numbers to compete, it's not really a challenge so much as it is an unrealistically high bar that it set.

                  In short, I guess I'm saying this: if you're shooting in the low 60's or the upper 50's every single round, you're not being challenged. If you're playing the best you can and score in the middle or upper 60's, then you are.
                  I hate to break it to you but the Wii is even worse. They have BOTH rubberbanding and unreasonable AI scores but it waits until the 4th round to get you which is really annoying. If you shoot say -9 after 3 rounds and your 2 shots behind the leader, the leader will shoot 64 or lower, guaranteed. This is on advanced. That's why I'm so pissed off. It gives you some rubberbanding the 1st 3 rounds where if you are over par the leader will float around -5 or -6. But if you are close to them then the 4th round is a complete blow off. You literally have to shoot under 60 to win.

                  At Q school tourney I was -10 after 3 rounds, 2 shots behind and the leader shoots 62 to go to 22 under at the end. The problem is I got my golfer stats to average about 68-70. So if I play well for 3 rounds I can win but not if I have to shoot a 59 to win in the 4th round.

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                  • baa7
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11691

                    #54
                    Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                    Originally posted by OnlookerDelay
                    The winner took this tournament at -35 (253). This was the lowest 72 hole score I've seen yet in my season by 7 shots.
                    Onlooker plays on Tour difficulty, so it's confirmed that the premise of this entire thread is basically an uninformed rant. The CPU simply does not shoot -40 every round. That's not even close to the reality apparently.

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                    • fantasysportsguy
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 1696

                      #55
                      Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                      Originally posted by baa7
                      Onlooker plays on Tour difficulty, so it's confirmed that the premise of this entire thread is basically an uninformed rant. The CPU simply does not shoot -40 every round. That's not even close to the reality apparently.
                      It's hardly an uninformed rant. In fact, it's happening to so many people that I'm starting to see it discussed at nearly all gaming sites I visit on a daily basis.

                      So, does the CPU put up -40 under every tourney? No, but it seems to put up unrealistic scores and prevents you from winning 100% of the time.

                      What I find troubling is that so many of you seem to be defending this, when for a lot of people, this is a gamekiller. Imagine just not being able to beat a game like Halo 3 because once you kill a certain level of Flood or Covenant, the game kicks into insane mode and basically prevents you from achieving mission completions due to its superhuman-ness. That's what we're talking about here.
                      Last edited by fantasysportsguy; 06-16-2009, 06:04 PM.

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                      • MrArlingtonBeach
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 4530

                        #56
                        Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                        Originally posted by pskepsilon
                        What system and difficulty are you playing on?
                        I play on 360.

                        I started the first tourney on Tour Pro...I shot a +30 and lowered it to Pro, but kept the spin and power boost off (putt preview and the grid are still on until I really get used to putting).
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                        • baa7
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 11691

                          #57
                          Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                          Originally posted by fantasysportsguy
                          What I find troubling is that so many of you seem to be defending this, when for a lot of people, this is a gamekiller.
                          Defending what? Someone reported one tourney ended at -13. Someone else said -27 was the lowest score they had after several tourneys. Apparently tournament winning scores are all over the map, just like they should be.

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                          • daz
                            Rookie
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 398

                            #58
                            Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                            Originally posted by baa7
                            Defending what? Someone reported one tourney ended at -13. Someone else said -27 was the lowest score they had after several tourneys. Apparently tournament winning scores are all over the map, just like they should be.
                            Yep, nothing to defend as far as I see. I don't think I've had a tourney yet where anyone was above -18.
                            I'm just looking for a fun and competitive game of video golf to play. That said, that's what I'm getting.

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                            • baumy300
                              Most Valuable Pepe
                              • May 2005
                              • 3998

                              #59
                              Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                              Originally posted by bigal093
                              The cpu players on here are god. they are averaging 10 under each round...CONSISTENTLY. the guy in last place is like 15 under or something after 3 days. I am like 24 under and tied for like 23rd PLACE!!!! wtf?!?!?!?!?!?!? everybody is amazing. is there some sort of setting or something i can change... i dont want to go to a lower level..idk

                              So... Is your name "bigal" as in "Big Al?"

                              Or is it "bigal" as in "Bi Gal?"
                              I post the frog
                              It makes me happy
                              People get upset
                              It makes me sad
                              I post the frog

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                              • fantasysportsguy
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 1696

                                #60
                                Re: OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

                                Originally posted by baa7
                                Defending what? Someone reported one tourney ended at -13. Someone else said -27 was the lowest score they had after several tourneys. Apparently tournament winning scores are all over the map, just like they should be.
                                No, they are way too high and if you would listen to the reports you're getting, you would see some really crazy scores and AI behavior that is not only unfair, but unrealistic.

                                There are a lot of people, not only here at OS, but at other sites, that are seeing what we're seeing, but I suppose since it's not happening to you then they're just lying or something.

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