I don't think anyone's suggesting CPU scores in the -30 and below range are realistic. But there are different ways of looking at this. The developers made the scoring in the game very difficult, meaning players like Divotmaker get a challenge this year. As for me and my skills, I may never win a single tourney in Career mode, but I'm perfectly fine with that. Gives me lots to shoot for as far as improvement goes. And sure, a difficulty slider is needed, that's obvious. Hopefully next year.
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I don't think anyone's suggesting CPU scores in the -30 and below range are realistic. But there are different ways of looking at this. The developers made the scoring in the game very difficult, meaning players like Divotmaker get a challenge this year. As for me and my skills, I may never win a single tourney in Career mode, but I'm perfectly fine with that. Gives me lots to shoot for as far as improvement goes. And sure, a difficulty slider is needed, that's obvious. Hopefully next year. -
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The problem is that the game doesn't allow you to compete in realistic tournaments because the AI scoring simply ASSUMES that everyone is going to want to play with a superhuman golfer with certain assists on and seems to have the AI play at a similar level to provide a challenge under those conditions. The problem is that if you want to make your player and the game realistic, (i.e. you shoot in the low 60's on your best day and anywhere from 65-75 normally), which happens to be roughly what the best players on the PGA Tour do, you can never even come close to winning a tournament. That's just completely bogus. For a game that advertised itself as getting you as close to real tournament golf as possible, it is a completely unacceptable situation for "real tournaments" to supposedly have the winners in the 20-35 under range almost every single time out.
Realistic is realistic. The fact is that we have empirical evidence of what typical scoring is based on what has actually happened over the past several decades of real PGA tournaments. In this framework, it would be completely trivial to create a model that performs realistically, especially considering the fact that given that you don't play with CPU-controlled players during actual gameplay, the whole thing boils down to a simple exercise in number generation.
I'm a lousy programmer, but even I could create a routine that would generate realistic scores with a little bit of research and about an hour (at most) of coding. Either EA is just completely lazy in this respect, or they simply do not CARE that the CPU scoring is hideously unrealistic. If it's the latter, they shouldn't be advertising the game as providing a "realistic tournament experience."Comment
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But we're not talking about user performance here. We're talking about AI performance. It's already been well-established that this game is very good (laudably good, in fact) at allowing you to tailor your player and settings via difficulty, options, and club tuning to allow you to score pretty much however you want relative to your skill level.
The problem is that the game doesn't allow you to compete in realistic tournaments because the AI scoring simply ASSUMES that everyone is going to want to play with a superhuman golfer with certain assists on and seems to have the AI play at a similar level to provide a challenge under those conditions. The problem is that if you want to make your player and the game realistic, (i.e. you shoot in the low 60's on your best day and anywhere from 65-75 normally), which happens to be roughly what the best players on the PGA Tour do, you can never even come close to winning a tournament. That's just completely bogus. For a game that advertised itself as getting you as close to real tournament golf as possible, it is a completely unacceptable situation for "real tournaments" to supposedly have the winners in the 20-35 under range almost every single time out....
good post.
I think a lot of this problem is, as mentioned, the yahoos who won't even buy Tiger if they can't tell their friends that the shot 30 under par.
I think the tour Pro mode in online Tourneys is a step in the right direction with the level cap but God I wish they could figure a way to have separate games within the gam. Arcade for the Yahoos and sim and have sim players work hard to socre 5 under.Comment
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For comparison's sake, these are the under-par scores the winning golfer has posted on the actual PGA Tour so far this year:
-24 -15 -33 (!! - The Bob Hope) -14 -11 -15 -15 -13 -9 -19 -14 -8 -5 -11 -12 (Masters) -20 -14 -11 -12 -15 -19 -17 -12 -18
Looks like something between about -12 and -18 is around the norm (-14.8 to be exact), which is actually further under par than I would've thought. Before I looked, I would've guessed the average winner shot between like a -7 to -13 or so......Comment
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I don't think anyone's suggesting CPU scores in the -30 and below range are realistic. But there are different ways of looking at this. The developers made the scoring in the game very difficult, meaning players like Divotmaker get a challenge this year. As for me and my skills, I may never win a single tourney in Career mode, but I'm perfectly fine with that. Gives me lots to shoot for as far as improvement goes. And sure, a difficulty slider is needed, that's obvious. Hopefully next year.
I'm probably just going to play single rounds of stroke play and compete against myself with the more realistic settings that I prefer, but I shouldn't have to do that. I bought a game that touted a realistic tournament experience and the CPU scoring is so ridiculous that it's anything but. It's a completely unacceptable situation for someone who plays on Advanced difficulty with aids turned off who is good enough to shoot in the 60's regularly to have no chance of winning a tournament.Comment
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For comparison's sake, these are the under-par scores the winning golfer has posted on the actual PGA Tour so far this year:
-24 -15 -33 (!! - The Bob Hope) -14 -11 -15 -15 -13 -9 -19 -14 -8 -5 -11 -12 (Masters) -20 -14 -11 -12 -15 -19 -17 -12 -18
Looks like something between about -12 and -18 is around the norm (-14.8 to be exact), which is actually further under par than I would've thought. Before I looked, I would've guessed the average winner shot between like a -7 to -13 or so......
If you play a major tournament in this game, or a regular tournament at a difficult course, the scores are pretty much indistinguishable from those of easier courses. If I ever saw a winning score of like -2 or -3 in a major tournament in one of these games, I'd probably crap my pants.
As an example, the first amateur tournament I played on my Wii career was a one-round tourney at Bethpage Black. Even on Standard difficulty (to see if the inflated scoring was related to difficulty), there were four players at -6 and several at -5 and -4. And these are supposed to be Amateurs. The notion that a group of no-name golfers could (extrapolated) shoot in the neighborhood of -24 for four rounds at a course like Bethpage Black is, quite simply, absurd.Comment
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For comparison's sake, these are the under-par scores the winning golfer has posted on the actual PGA Tour so far this year:
-24 -15 -33 (!! - The Bob Hope) -14 -11 -15 -15 -13 -9 -19 -14 -8 -5 -11 -12 (Masters) -20 -14 -11 -12 -15 -19 -17 -12 -18
Looks like something between about -12 and -18 is around the norm (-14.8 to be exact), which is actually further under par than I would've thought. Before I looked, I would've guessed the average winner shot between like a -7 to -13 or so......
wow interesting... I did not know thatComment
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That's fine for you. And I'm inclined to agree that this game (on the Wii, at least) is worth the $60 even if you never play a single tournament. But the problem is that it would be so easy to make the tournaments accessible to people who only play as well as REAL PGA golfers. And they advertised this game as bringing you as close as ever to real tournament golf. So when the tournaments are crippled for anyone who doesn't want to turn the game into a cheesy arcade-style birdie fest, it's not an inconsequential problem.
I'm probably just going to play single rounds of stroke play and compete against myself with the more realistic settings that I prefer, but I shouldn't have to do that. I bought a game that touted a realistic tournament experience and the CPU scoring is so ridiculous that it's anything but. It's a completely unacceptable situation for someone who plays on Advanced difficulty with aids turned off who is good enough to shoot in the 60's regularly to have no chance of winning a tournament.
I had to change to all play mode just so I could win some tourneys to get past amateur and rookie levels because the 4th round AI is ridiculous. We're talking the leader posting 62 or less every 4th round if your close to the top. Considering pin placements are supposed to be harder on the last day I can't remember the last time a real golfer posted a 62 to win a tourney the last day.
Do not waste your time playing career mode as all the hours I spent getting to the 3rd level was a complete waste of time and I felt like an idiot wasting all that time. The Wii is excellent for gameplay but totally dropped the ball in all othe raspects of the Wii version. It has less PGA season depth then the Links PC games from 10 years ago. EA stripped down the title as a way I guess of making you buy next year's game since gameplay can't be improved much so they give you something but then take something else away.
This game is only good for single rounds, but that gets boring fast, and as a party game. I've gotten bored and this game will only be played with friends over which is too bad because if it had a half decent season mode I would play this for months.Last edited by Seymour Scagnetti; 06-18-2009, 08:34 PM.Comment
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This must be primarily a Wii issue as I just finished the AT&T at Pebble Beach winning with a -33 to Tiger in 2nd at -17. I had one unbelievable round of 58 in round 2 that blew the field away and made the tournament a cakewalk, so I have not seen the "catch up AI" that Wii users and others are seeing. Every tournament I have played in TOUR Pro has had believable scoring so far.PC / Xbox One X
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This must be primarily a Wii issue as I just finished the AT&T at Pebble Beach winning with a -33 to Tiger in 2nd at -17. I had one unbelievable round of 58 in round 2 that blew the field away and made the tournament a cakewalk, so I have not seen the "catch up AI" that Wii users and others are seeing. Every tournament I have played in TOUR Pro has had believable scoring so far.
While Wii may have even higher scores, the 360 (and I am assuming the PS3) also has higher-than-normal final scores.Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 06-19-2009, 09:04 PM.Orbis Non SuficitComment
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Some more progress on this topic...
Just finished the second round of the EA Sports Major @ Oakmont. So far, I shot a 66-66 (-10).
This is good enough for T-27th!!!!
Some dude named Matt Jones dropped in a second-round 60 and is in second place behind Anthony Kim, who is 63-61 (-17).
Tiger made his usual run, finishing 65-64 (-12).
The cut for this Major championship event...-6.
PS - I have also noticed scoring issues...two rounds of 66 at Oakmont should be -8 (the course is a par 70...so 66 + 66 = 132. 70 + 70 = 140). However, I started the third round at -10 on the leaderboard...Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 06-19-2009, 09:24 PM.Orbis Non SuficitComment
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One more note...
Finished the Major...winner A. Kim shot -29.
One golfer shot a 58(!) in the fourth round.
I finished at -10 and was next-to-last place of all those who made the cut.Orbis Non SuficitComment
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exactlty the point. All these people say that it isnt bad. well -10 in a major will most likely win it. to be tied for last among those who made the cut, is just ridiculous!Comment
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This must be primarily a Wii issue as I just finished the AT&T at Pebble Beach winning with a -33 to Tiger in 2nd at -17. I had one unbelievable round of 58 in round 2 that blew the field away and made the tournament a cakewalk, so I have not seen the "catch up AI" that Wii users and others are seeing. Every tournament I have played in TOUR Pro has had believable scoring so far.Comment
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