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  • MrArlingtonBeach
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    • Feb 2009
    • 4530

    #181
    Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

    Originally posted by RIFRIG
    MAB if you get chance can you start a thread or keep it within this one to chat about EVO swing.
    Maybe post some screenshots with shot outcomes & we can try work out what’s going on with the new mechanics.
    I think we could keep the discussion in here, since any and all conversation around it at this point is speculation. I would assume a new thread could/would be opened for when specifics on the swing are provided, or at the latest, when people get the game and have impressions on it.

    Here are some screens of Evo Swing that I pulled from a variety of places, but all from today's trailer:







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    • MrArlingtonBeach
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      • Feb 2009
      • 4530

      #182
      Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

      Originally posted by MiracleMet718
      My wish is that they separate the tours for both realism purposes and that I always enjoyed playing with 2 different players so I could play both the PGA Tour and the LPGA Tour. I know the courses are the same, but there was something fun about playing both. Would help promote both tours separately too instead of just the PGA.
      100%

      I loved having a PGA Tour career and LPGA tour career in Tiger Woods 14...they even had different schedules and at least one licensed women's major (I know the Kraft Nabisco Championship was included) in TW 14 as well!
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      • RIFRIG
        Pro
        • May 2015
        • 822

        #183
        Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

        Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
        I think we could keep the discussion in here, since any and all conversation around it at this point is speculation. I would assume a new thread could/would be opened for when specifics on the swing are provided, or at the latest, when people get the game and have impressions on it.

        Here are some screens of Evo Swing that I pulled from a variety of places, but all from today's trailer:







        Transition? Looks like it’s reading two points, swing direction change for definite but what dictates perfect because they both measure 90%.

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        • MrArlingtonBeach
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          • Feb 2009
          • 4530

          #184
          Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

          Just to add to the Evo Swing discussion...it looks like rhythm and transition are also part of your putting stroke, which 2K did not use in putting before. It was just putt path and putt weight, with no "tempo" as part of it.

          Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 01-21-2025, 04:33 PM.
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          • Dawgfan1
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            • Jul 2013
            • 1202

            #185
            Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

            Not too much definitive info from that trailer (and what was that bare bones blog post lol), but the EvoSwing mechanic looks REALLY promising. It gave me some TW14 vibes, I love the diagonal swing in that game at higher difficulties. If they can execute the difficulty of it correctly and force some level of diagonal swing even when no draw/fade/loft/spin is applied (because otherwise that would greatly incentivize not shaping your shots which doesn't make much sense to me) then I think it could be the best swing I've seen in a EA/2K golf game. The shot types and skill trees also looked promising, just going to have to see the balance of them with hopefully as few OP ones as possible.

            Didn't see much shown on ball bounce/roll physics (there were like, 2 ball bounces in the entire trailer?), so I won't get my hopes up for a course physics system like EA, but hopefully at least something different between country club and links courses even if it's minor. I hope we get a career mode trailer at some point, the little extra info they showed looked good (I like that you can see what your responses in an interview will actually be before selecting an option) but it wasn't much.

            The lack of info outside the trailer was disappointing, I know 2K likes these flashy-looking trailers with no voice-over but at least give us some written info outside of it so we have more info to work with.
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            • RIFRIG
              Pro
              • May 2015
              • 822

              #186
              Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

              Originally posted by Dawgfan1
              Not too much definitive info from that trailer (and what was that bare bones blog post lol), but the EvoSwing mechanic looks REALLY promising. It gave me some TW14 vibes, I love the diagonal swing in that game at higher difficulties. If they can execute the difficulty of it correctly and force some level of diagonal swing even when no draw/fade/loft/spin is applied (because otherwise that would greatly incentivize not shaping your shots which doesn't make much sense to me) then I think it could be the best swing I've seen in a EA/2K golf game. The shot types and skill trees also looked promising, just going to have to see the balance of them with hopefully as few OP ones as possible.

              Didn't see much shown on ball bounce/roll physics (there were like, 2 ball bounces in the entire trailer?), so I won't get my hopes up for a course physics system like EA, but hopefully at least something different between country club and links courses even if it's minor. I hope we get a career mode trailer at some point, the little extra info they showed looked good (I like that you can see what your responses in an interview will actually be before selecting an option) but it wasn't much.

              The lack of info outside the trailer was disappointing, I know 2K likes these flashy-looking trailers with no voice-over but at least give us some written info outside of it so we have more info to work with.
              Would buy the game in a heartbeat if I knew diagonal was forced on all swings. TW14 had the best gameplay with shot shaping but it let you have it easy with short game as it was back to straight axis swings. The only negative with the TW14 game was if you hit a bad one it’d be out of play due to the small boundary on each golf hole. We don’t have that problem with 2K25 so should take that frustration away for some that weren’t keen on that style of gameplay previously.

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              • Dawgfan1
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                • Jul 2013
                • 1202

                #187
                Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                I think we could keep the discussion in here, since any and all conversation around it at this point is speculation. I would assume a new thread could/would be opened for when specifics on the swing are provided, or at the latest, when people get the game and have impressions on it.

                Here are some screens of Evo Swing that I pulled from a variety of places, but all from today's trailer:







                After watching a couple of breakdowns on the trailer (Gamer Ability's was really useful), my interpretation of EvoSwing is this:

                There are 4 elements to each golf swing in the game, each have different impacts on the swing result:
                • Swing Path: The path of your swing stick in the backswing only aka moving it down. You have a certain point at the bottom to hit, if you hit it you have a perfect swing path, if you miss it left you have a push, if you miss it right you have a pull (reverse for lefties). I think that is the same as 2K23 where missing left pushes the swing right and vice versa, idk if that's how golf swings actually work.
                • Transition: This seems to just be the power you put on the shot (the point where your stick movement transitions from backswing to downswing). Pretty self-explantory in what happens if you over or underswing.
                • Rhythm: This seems to be the replacement for the old tempo system, except it now only affects your shot power and not slice/hook. I believe if your tempo is slow/+0.X seconds your shot adds power, if it is fast/-0.X seconds your shot loses power.
                • Contact: This is the path of your swing stick in the downswing only aka moving it up. Similar to Swing Path you have a point at the top to hit, and here if you miss left you have a closed club face/hook, if you miss right you have an open club face/slice (reverse for lefties).

                Outside of those basic 4 elements there are also small white areas in the top and bottom of the swing plane circle outside the "perfect" point, I'm guessing those are the areas where you can miss your swing plane with less penalty (i.e. the difference between fast/slow and very fast/very slow in 2K23). The size of those small white areas is probably dependent on difficulty level, golfer level/stats, and club stats.

                It's not evident if every swing result shown in the trailer is from a shot with draw/fade/loft/spin applied to it or not, so we don't know for sure if a shot with no shaping applied still has to be a diagonal swing to some extent (or how much hill lies affect the swing). Personally I would hope/assume shots still have to be diagonal no matter what because it wouldn't be very balanced to allow a much easier swing path when shooting straight up.

                The most interesting part to me were the swing circles where it seemed the angle of the perfect spot at the bottom was actually different than the angle of the perfect spot at the top. It's a subtle difference, but I wonder what would cause that to happen. In Tiger Woods 14 every diagonal swing was a straight line from bottom to top and in EA PGA Tour every diagonal swing required moving the stick to the straight up position, it's a really cool element to see.

                I think there's also a "Perfect Swing" setting that was mentioned in the trailer and blog post, which can be enabled to turn off the diagonal swings for those that don't like it.

                I really like that tempo is involved in putting now to make it even more challenging, combining that element of EA's putting system + 2K's far superior putting swing feel looks like a great step up.

                I'm excited to see what this EvoSwing system is like, it looks like it has the potential to be great! Hopefully there's some gameplay before launch to give us more info on it.
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                • RIFRIG
                  Pro
                  • May 2015
                  • 822

                  #188
                  Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                  Originally posted by Dawgfan1
                  After watching a couple of breakdowns on the trailer (Gamer Ability's was really useful), my interpretation of EvoSwing is this:

                  There are 4 elements to each golf swing in the game, each have different impacts on the swing result:
                  • Swing Path: The path of your swing stick in the backswing only aka moving it down. You have a certain point at the bottom to hit, if you hit it you have a perfect swing path, if you miss it left you have a push, if you miss it right you have a pull (reverse for lefties). I think that is the same as 2K23 where missing left pushes the swing right and vice versa, idk if that's how golf swings actually work.
                  • Transition: This seems to just be the power you put on the shot (the point where your stick movement transitions from backswing to downswing). Pretty self-explantory in what happens if you over or underswing.
                  • Rhythm: This seems to be the replacement for the old tempo system, except it now only affects your shot power and not slice/hook. I believe if your tempo is slow/+0.X seconds your shot adds power, if it is fast/-0.X seconds your shot loses power.
                  • Contact: This is the path of your swing stick in the downswing only aka moving it up. Similar to Swing Path you have a point at the top to hit, and here if you miss left you have a closed club face/hook, if you miss right you have an open club face/slice (reverse for lefties).

                  Outside of those basic 4 elements there are also small white areas in the top and bottom of the swing plane circle outside the "perfect" point, I'm guessing those are the areas where you can miss your swing plane with less penalty (i.e. the difference between fast/slow and very fast/very slow in 2K23). The size of those small white areas is probably dependent on difficulty level, golfer level/stats, and club stats.

                  It's not evident if every swing result shown in the trailer is from a shot with draw/fade/loft/spin applied to it or not, so we don't know for sure if a shot with no shaping applied still has to be a diagonal swing to some extent (or how much hill lies affect the swing). Personally I would hope/assume shots still have to be diagonal no matter what because it wouldn't be very balanced to allow a much easier swing path when shooting straight up.

                  The most interesting part to me were the swing circles where it seemed the angle of the perfect spot at the bottom was actually different than the angle of the perfect spot at the top. It's a subtle difference, but I wonder what would cause that to happen. In Tiger Woods 14 every diagonal swing was a straight line from bottom to top and in EA PGA Tour every diagonal swing required moving the stick to the straight up position, it's a really cool element to see.

                  I think there's also a "Perfect Swing" setting that was mentioned in the trailer and blog post, which can be enabled to turn off the diagonal swings for those that don't like it.

                  I really like that tempo is involved in putting now to make it even more challenging, combining that element of EA's putting system + 2K's far superior putting swing feel looks like a great step up.

                  I'm excited to see what this EvoSwing system is like, it looks like it has the potential to be great! Hopefully there's some gameplay before launch to give us more info on it.
                  What’s your thoughts on the central circle? It’s omitted on the easier difficulty so it has some relevance on Pro.

                  I read that the transition is movement of path through the central circle, almost like a swing within a swing. Cross the inner circle centrally by cutting the pie in half you have 100%/Perfect. If you cut the pie 60/40 you’ll lose distance with an underswing.
                  Last edited by RIFRIG; 01-21-2025, 05:44 PM. Reason: Context

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                  • Dawgfan1
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 1202

                    #189
                    Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                    Originally posted by RIFRIG
                    What’s your thoughts on the central circle? It’s omitted on the easier difficulty so it has some relevance on Pro.
                    I believe it's the visual feedback you get on your rhythm/tempo, if the blue/red ring is outside the circle you were fast/-0.0X seconds, if it's inside the circle you were slow/+0.0X seconds. The easier difficulty swing doesn't have a feedback result for Rhythm which corresponds to the missing central circle.
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                    • golfnut67
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                      • Oct 2021
                      • 860

                      #190
                      Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                      I watched the trailer 3 times. It's possible I missed it, but I did not see one single full clip of a golfer addressing the ball, full backswing and full swing through the ball. And most of the actual gameplay swings they show are very fast cut, blurred immediately into the non gameplay video scenes of players raising their fist or whatever.

                      It's like they are very intentionally not letting us get even a 5 second view of a golfer standing over the ball at the tee or anywhere else, and what the swing mechanic looks like from start to finish.

                      Typical game marketing. Fast cut 1 or 2 second glimpses of what the game might look like with the controller in your hand mixed in with fast cut clips of non gameplay stuff like Tiger sliding his club down his hand.

                      Still waiting. Definitely not pre ordering.

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                      • scagwi
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 2718

                        #191
                        Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                        Originally posted by Dawgfan1
                        I believe it's the visual feedback you get on your rhythm/tempo, if the blue/red ring is outside the circle you were fast/-0.0X seconds, if it's inside the circle you were slow/+0.0X seconds. The easier difficulty swing doesn't have a feedback result for Rhythm which corresponds to the missing central circle.
                        Is this like the “bubble” in Rory 2015?

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                        • scagwi
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                          • Aug 2015
                          • 2718

                          #192
                          Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                          Originally posted by golfnut67
                          I watched the trailer 3 times. It's possible I missed it, but I did not see one single full clip of a golfer addressing the ball, full backswing and full swing through the ball. And most of the actual gameplay swings they show are very fast cut, blurred immediately into the non gameplay video scenes of players raising their fist or whatever.

                          It's like they are very intentionally not letting us get even a 5 second view of a golfer standing over the ball at the tee or anywhere else, and what the swing mechanic looks like from start to finish.

                          Typical game marketing. Fast cut 1 or 2 second glimpses of what the game might look like with the controller in your hand mixed in with fast cut clips of non gameplay stuff like Tiger sliding his club down his hand.

                          Still waiting. Definitely not pre ordering.
                          Agree with you and absolutely 1000% not pre-ordering

                          The routine of barely showing anything until it’s already out or they already have your money is really getting tiring from this company and many others

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                          • PhantomPain
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 3512

                            #193
                            Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                            Originally posted by scagwi
                            Agree with you and absolutely 1000% not pre-ordering

                            The routine of barely showing anything until it’s already out or they already have your money is really getting tiring from this company and many others
                            It's been officially announced for all of a week. It's out in a month for early access. Obviously they aren't going to just give all the info in one dump on the first day. More information is obviously coming, it always is.

                            It would marketing suicide for them to just give a massive data dump then have nothing to say for a month or so. MLB The Show is about the only other sports game I play these days (little college football) and they do the same thing. Release a teaser video, some screenshots, then a bit more in another video, then sometimes they have blogs to get into depth of the features or video blogs to discuss them.

                            Of course I can't predict what 2K is going to do with the game and how the features are announced, and if this is all we get with no real detail, then I will be a bit pissed as well. But I feel like we will get more info every day/week as they try and build hype for the game. Hopefully that's what happens anyway.
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                            • MrArlingtonBeach
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                              • Feb 2009
                              • 4530

                              #194
                              Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                              Originally posted by PhantomPain
                              It's been officially announced for all of a week. It's out in a month for early access. Obviously they aren't going to just give all the info in one dump on the first day. More information is obviously coming, it always is.

                              It would marketing suicide for them to just give a massive data dump then have nothing to say for a month or so. MLB The Show is about the only other sports game I play these days (little college football) and they do the same thing. Release a teaser video, some screenshots, then a bit more in another video, then sometimes they have blogs to get into depth of the features or video blogs to discuss them.

                              Of course I can't predict what 2K is going to do with the game and how the features are announced, and if this is all we get with no real detail, then I will be a bit pissed as well. But I feel like we will get more info every day/week as they try and build hype for the game. Hopefully that's what happens anyway.
                              Exactly...I want as much info as soon as possible, too. But the reality is that the trailer shows juuuuust enough to get these kinds of discussions happening without actually giving any real detail away. And then they drip-feed the actual info over the course of the next month. It's annoying, but it's the industry standard.

                              I expect some "deep dives" or whatever they'll call them in the next few weeks...probably one for career mode, one for the swing, one for the online components, one for the course designer, etc.
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                              • Dawgfan1
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2013
                                • 1202

                                #195
                                Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Trailer, Screenshots, Features and More Revealed

                                Originally posted by scagwi
                                Is this like the “bubble” in Rory 2015?
                                I only watched videos of Rory 2015 so I may be wrong on what it was in that game, EvoSwing may be drawing some inspiration from it but I think it's different. I think EvoSwing's version is post-shot feedback of your tempo, rather than being a visual power meter of sorts. We never saw a full swing to know for sure, but every example of the shot feedback in the trailer showed the blue/red ring popping up after the swing.

                                Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                                Exactly...I want as much info as soon as possible, too. But the reality is that the trailer shows juuuuust enough to get these kinds of discussions happening without actually giving any real detail away. And then they drip-feed the actual info over the course of the next month. It's annoying, but it's the industry standard.

                                I expect some "deep dives" or whatever they'll call them in the next few weeks...probably one for career mode, one for the swing, one for the online components, one for the course designer, etc.
                                I saw that they did some "Clubhouse Report" blogs for 2K23, idk how close those were to launch or if they accompanied trailers but those are what we need to get at some point. Those 2K23 trailers seemed to show even less info than this week's trailer so I guess they're taking baby steps forward lol.
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