PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

Saw that locker room code "FITZ" will get you some Vokey wedges and a swing path fitting.

[Maxflier]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

Yeah, it is pitiful.
I hate that a lot of the club sets and gear are locked behind career mode because I don't really play career mode.

[Freakywwe]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

Copying this directly from a Reddit thread. I’ll link it at the bottom, to just give an idea of what changes and some numbers associated with it:

“ Some numbers on yesterday's changes...

Good morning to my Western hemisphere friends, and good afternoon/evening to those of you in the eastern hemisphere!I was annoyed yesterday by the AP cost changes, but after sleeping I decided I should look at the numbers to see how bad it really is. Unfortunately, the numbers make it look much, much worse. Some of this is napkin math, and anyone who is better at math is free to correct me; I can update the numbers in my quick spreadsheet.*

Assumptions

* You start with 10 AP owned as a new player, getting you to 69/70
* Rebirth starts with 25 owned AP, gets to 74 (maybe 75 if you optimize?)
* 1 AP per level up, 2 AP per overall level
* You start off with little to no VC (legend bundle starts with 1800 vc)

Before yesterday’s changes

* VC per round: 90
* Rounds per hour: 3 (probably 2.5 in career mode if you are doing pre-tourney stuff)
* Cost to apply AP: 125
* VC per hour: 270
* VC cost to reach level 99: 24750
* Hours to reach level 99: \~92
* VC cost to reach level 99 from rebirth: 18500
* Hours to reach level 99 from rebirth: 68.5
* VC needed to reach 85 from rebirth to unlock shots: 3125-3375
* Hours needed to unlock shots: 11.5
* VC needed to buy an evo tool: 500
* Hours to afford evo tool: \~2

After yesterday’s changes

* VC per round: 54
* Rounds per hour: 3 (probably 2.5 in career mode if you are doing pre-tourney stuff)
* Cost to apply AP: 175
* VC per hour: 162 (-40%)
* VC cost to reach level 99: 34650 (up 40%)
* Hours to reach level 99: \~214
* VC cost to reach level 99 from rebirth: 25900 (up 40%)
* Hours to reach level 99 from rebirth: 159.9 (up 133%)
* VC needed to reach 85 from rebirth to unlock shots: \~4375 (up \~30-40%)
* Hours needed to unlock shots: 27 (up 133%)
* VC needed to buy an evo tool: 750 (up 50%)
* Hours to afford evo tool: \~4.5 (up 60%)

But wait, how could anyone be maxed out if it takes 91 hours and it’s only been a week and people have jobs and such? So glad you asked! Quests are the answer; quests accounted for a huge amount of VC before, but many of those same quests have had their VC nerfed or switched to XP instead. If you earned 1k VC through quests before, that saved you around 3.7 hours, whereas it would now save you around 6.2 hours. It’s nearly impossible to know how much quest money was available before vs now since many quests were bugged and either didn’t trigger or would trigger in a catch up mode, but what new players will earn today is significantly lower than what those of us with early access earned. Anyone who ordered the legend edition (and maybe the deluxe?) got some bonus VC to get started with, which is another boost to progress.

Again, if any of this math feels off and you majored in something more mathy than English (like me), let me know. I am happy to adjust numbers, but even if I am 20% off all estimates, this is a brutal change. If you believe slowing down progression is necessary, that’s fine; I don’t agree, but I see the argument there. There’s no way to categorize this as anything but overkill though.*”

Link to thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/PGA_Tour_2K/s/QgApoLd24y

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

It's wild how 2k murdered this game on Day 1. Buzz was positive and people were enjoying it. And they took a hatchet to it. This is a full price $70-120 game that they've created a virtual currency grind for that feels like it would be at home in a f2p.

Anyway, if anyone is on the fence, don't buy this until it's on a steep sale or 2k reverts the progression changes.

[Superultramegamamba]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

It's wild how 2k murdered this game on Day 1. Buzz was positive and people were enjoying it. And they took a hatchet to it. This is a full price $70-120 game that they've created a virtual currency grind for that feels like it would be at home in a f2p.

Anyway, if anyone is on the fence, don't buy this until it's on a steep sale or 2k reverts the progression changes.

Thanks I’ll wait and watch!


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[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

I hope the game gets review bombed on Steam over this.

I know I have said it before, but I want to go back to the days of where your player is just your player, no attributes to manipulate. You don't need to level him up or add stupid ****ing boosts, you just play and get better at the game naturally. you shouldn't need currency to get better at a game.

I just posted a negative review on Steam and I almost never review games. I was actually really enjoying the game the past week (and the demo was good too) but it feels like a bait and switch how they turned it into a grindy cash grab today.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

I think those numbers just prove that reducing VC earned wasn’t the problem with the update. It was raising the costs of everything to make it insane to grind. I think the game should be grind to simulate growing in a career, but this is ridiculous.

Which reminds me, I actually have a solution for it. The career player should be separate from your online/non-career pro. This way you can create a player that you can build a bit faster to use online but your MyCareer player can grow more realistic for a PGA career.

For those with the game… how are the apparel and club options in the PGA Superstore?

Last game lacked quite a bit in options…

I don’t know why they save a bunch of stuff for seasons or weekly items. There is going to be plenty of new gear available for future clubhouse seasons that they can add a lot more. Should be at least 4 items available for each brand for both body types so you can have 4 different outfits in each round.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

* VC per hour: 162 (-40%)
* VC cost to reach level 99: 34650 (up 40%)
* Hours to reach level 99: \~214
* VC cost to reach level 99 from rebirth: 25900 (up 40%)
* Hours to reach level 99 from rebirth: 159.9 (up 133%)
* VC needed to reach 85 from rebirth to unlock shots: \~4375 (up \~30-40%)
* Hours needed to unlock shots: 27 (up 133%)
* VC needed to buy an evo tool: 750 (up 50%)
* Hours to afford evo tool: \~4.5 (up 60%)

Good grief...seeing these numbers makes it feel much, much, much worse.

And I fail to understand how could they not know that Early Access was earning too fast way before last night, and then decide THIS was the best option to "balance", hours before official launch?

Disgusting.

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

Good grief...seeing these numbers makes it feel much, much, much worse.

And I fail to understand how could they not know that Early Access was earning too fast way before last night, and then decide THIS was the best option to "balance" hours before official launch?

Disgusting.

Here's the thing though: aren't early access players by and large going to be some of the folks putting in the most hours (and maybe more adept at completing challenges and maximizing gains)? For non-early access players they're a bajillion miles behind the OVR curve if they want to play online. So I guess they're expected to spend more money on top of the $70-120 they spend today to catch up? That's... awful.

Edit: and what's particularly disappointing about this all is the underlying game is not bad. I thought the swing changes are good, it looks so much better than 2k23, and just felt like a good product. Instead of talking about that we're talking about how nasty 2k's business practices are.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

I don’t know why they save a bunch of stuff for seasons or weekly items. There is going to be plenty of new gear available for future clubhouse seasons that they can add a lot more. Should be at least 4 items available for each brand for both body types so you can have 4 different outfits in each round.

The other major problem with clubs in the store? Many of them are 5-7 years old at this point.

TaylorMade Sim irons? Came out in 2020.
Titleist TS2? 2018 - 2020
TaylorMade Spider X putter? 2019

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

The other major problem with clubs in the store? Many of them are 3-5 years old at this point.

TaylorMade Sim irons? Came out in 2020.

2k would like you to upgrade those to P-790s or QI-10s when those drop in season 2. For more money of course.

Also, they're a weird iron to include in a PGA Tour game, especially with such limited options. Maybe one of the Taylor Made players has one of the long irons in their bag but those SGI style irons are really not designed for elite players.

[Maxflier]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

This is exactly why Playstation should have a return policy like Steam. You should be able to refund the game in bait and switch cases like this.

[Freakywwe]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

It really is a damn shame, because this is by and large the best golf game I’ve ever played, but it’s typical 2K/Take-Two business practices that continue to always be the hot topic. I hope some gaming sites pick up on this and shame the hell out of them to make some changes, because this is the definition of a bait and switch. ESPECIALLY with seeing pretty much nothing but praise for the changes made to the game through early access, all for nothing

[bigkev]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

I suspect they're seeing poor sales without the customers with the old consoles, and they have added 3 expensive licenses for the 3 Majors. More expenses, less revenues... It's all business. EA just tapped out for the same reasons.

[Will I Am]

Re: PGA Tour 2K25 Thread - Impressions, Videos, Streams, etc.

I'd be fine with all the changes if they had only left the vc alone.