Top Spin 4 Impressions/Questions Thread

[rangerrick012]

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How exactly did you LOSE a match with 56 aces? I average 2-10 aces per match on Very Hard and I've still won all but one tournament I've played in (attempting to play in my first Masters tournament as we speak)

Hey Ivo Karlovic set the record for aces in a match (78) and fastest serve (156 mph) and lost both matches, so I guess the game is realistic in that regard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Karlovi%C4%87#Serving_records

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Hey Ivo Karlovic set the record for aces in a match (78) and fastest serve (156 mph) and lost both matches, so I guess the game is realistic in that regard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Kar...erving_records

That just blows my mind lol. Dude's like the Happy Gilmore of tennis.

[Smallberries]

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Hey Ivo Karlovic set the record for aces in a match (78) and fastest serve (156 mph) and lost both matches, so I guess the game is realistic in that regard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Kar...erving_records

Actually, the record for aces was set in 2010 at Wimbledon by American John Isner, in his marathon match that went 70-68 in the fifth set -- he served 113 aces. His opponent, Nicholas Mahut, actually hit over 100 as well, so Ivo's 78 are a distant third. Oh, and Ivo's 78 also came in a 5-set match. And Ivo stands 6' 10". Not quite as hard to serve at that height (than at my player's 5'9", lol).

The record for aces in a ATP-tour three-set match is still amazing - 50, set in a 2005 Wimbledon qualifier match by a relatively unknown pro, Australia's Chris Guccione. So, it IS possible to get to 50. I just didn't like the fact that I did it in my very first match on the hardest level, with a player that has no business hitting 15 aces, let alone 50.

[rangerrick012]

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Actually, the record for aces was set in 2010 at Wimbledon by American John Isner, in his marathon match that went 70-68 in the fifth set -- he served 113 aces. His opponent, Nicholas Mahut, actually hit over 100 as well, so Ivo's 78 are a distant third. Oh, and Ivo's 78 also came in a 5-set match. And Ivo stands 6' 10". Not quite as hard to serve at that height (than at my player's 5'9", lol).

The record for aces in a ATP-tour three-set match is still amazing - 50, set in a 2005 Wimbledon qualifier match by a relatively unknown pro, Australia's Chris Guccione. So, it IS possible to get to 50. I just didn't like the fact that I did it in my very first match on the hardest level, with a player that has no business hitting 15 aces, let alone 50.

I agree w/ you that serving's too easy. The percentages should be lower. But it's hard to balance b/c any way you do it, players will eventually perfect it and be able to hit aces nearly every point. I think right stick is a step in the right direction b/c it does reward the skill of the gamer and you can hit aces, unlike in TS3 where aces were practically non existent.

But there should be some sort of pressure mechanism attached to it though, so that serving on break points, as well as second serves, is a bit harder - the shaking of the controller a la NCAA 11 when you're on the road, would be a good mechanism to replicate the pressure involved in these instances. As it is now, 2nd serve has no risk in relation to the 1st serve, and you can just hit it w/ relatively no worry about double faulting in most instances.

And yeah I knew about the Isner-Mahut match - I watched practically all of that last set as it was happening - I just place a mental 'asterisk' for those obscene records from that match.

[CMH]

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I must suck because I still can't get an ace on Hard playing the demo.

Honestly, whatever it is you guys do to master the game, I hope I never figure out.

[Methlab]

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I don't blame him for selling the game. If he is not playing online, there is no real point in keeping it if he is getting bored. You won't get that many aces online, the players are too good. If you really want a challenge in a tennis game, you need to play humans.

[VinylOne]

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I don't intend to keep this game, as it's broken for me. Sad really, since the gameplay outside of serving is pretty darn great. Hopefully, I can get a decent exchange rate at Gamestop, as Crysis 2 is calling my name.

how is this game "broken" ?

[tcrews]

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Since you can't take a legend into career mode (from what I've read) and have to make an original guy, which isn't my cup of tea, but it's all good. How long does it take to unlock expert difficulty? I ask this and, please do not take this as some elitist comment, but very hard is way, way too easy. The reality is I don't know that much about tennis, and I should absolutely not be winning 6-1, 6-0, 6-0 as Agassi against Rafter, or beating Nadal 6-1, 7-6(8-6), 6-1 with Djokovic. These guys should be at least competitive and make it a hard fought match. I've played dozens more matches, so these aren't the only test samples or anything, in case someone see's a clear advantage from the aforementioned matchups.

My most recent game was Agassi against Rafter, I wound up winning 82 points to his 32. I went against him because in years past I always had the hardest time against serve and volley players. He won the first game, but once I adjusted to that style of play, I won the next 18 games straight. One of the main "problems" I'm having is that when I return the CPU's serves, I'm able to score easy winners because I hit the corners or something. It just ends up blowing by them. I feel as though I'm somehow cheating the CPU because I just know it should be a lot harder. Maybe I have a low-risk style of play or something that isn't really built for this game, I honestly have no idea. I should be getting killed.

All that said, for the people that have unlocked and tried expert difficulty. Does it make the game challenging? I mean, is it worth unlocking? Or is it just ever so slightly harder than very hard? I would just like to know before I jump into career mode because I wouldn't play it otherwise. I'm a big fan of just doing exhibition matches, learning with all the different characters, and eventually playing online.

Please don't take this as complaining or hating on the game, I'm not. I love the game, it's addictive, fun, and having a long match is incredibly exhilarating and fulfilling. But now that the challenge is gone, it's made the game boring for the moment. I'm just really hoping expert difficulty brings that challenge back. I absolutely am nowhere near good enough to be winning this easily. Seymour Scagnetti seems to understand tennis forward and backward, yet he's having a hard time winning on very hard to the point where he posted that the CPU felt cheap. I just think it should be me that thinks the CPU is too hard and him that's winning too easily. I realize knowing a lot about a sport doesn't make you good at the sport itself, or a video game based on the sport. But I'm at a loss for an explanation cause I should be getting my butt handed to me by the pros.

[The Visualizer]

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Since you can't take a legend into career mode (from what I've read) and have to make an original guy, which isn't my cup of tea, but it's all good. How long does it take to unlock expert difficulty? I ask this and, please do not take this as some elitist comment, but very hard is way, way too easy. The reality is I don't know that much about tennis, and I should absolutely not be winning 6-1, 6-0, 6-0 as Agassi against Rafter, or beating Nadal 6-1, 7-6(8-6), 6-1 with Djokovic. These guys should be at least competitive and make it a hard fought match. I've played dozens more matches, so these aren't the only test samples or anything, in case someone see's a clear advantage from the aforementioned matchups.

My most recent game was Agassi against Rafter, I wound up winning 82 points to his 32. I went against him because in years past I always had the hardest time against serve and volley players. He won the first game, but once I adjusted to that style of play, I won the next 18 games straight. One of the main "problems" I'm having is that when I return the CPU's serves, I'm able to score easy winners because I hit the corners or something. It just ends up blowing by them. I feel as though I'm somehow cheating the CPU because I just know it should be a lot harder. Maybe I have a low-risk style of play or something that isn't really built for this game, I honestly have no idea. I should be getting killed.

All that said, for the people that have unlocked and tried expert difficulty. Does it make the game challenging? I mean, is it worth unlocking? Or is it just ever so slightly harder than very hard? I would just like to know before I jump into career mode because I wouldn't play it otherwise. I'm a big fan of just doing exhibition matches, learning with all the different characters, and eventually playing online.

Please don't take this as complaining or hating on the game, I'm not. I love the game, it's addictive, fun, and having a long match is incredibly exhilarating and fulfilling. But now that the challenge is gone, it's made the game boring for the moment. I'm just really hoping expert difficulty brings that challenge back. I absolutely am nowhere near good enough to be winning this easily. Seymour Scagnetti seems to understand tennis forward and backward, yet he's having a hard time winning on very hard to the point where he posted that the CPU felt cheap. I just think it should be me that thinks the CPU is too hard and him that's winning too easily. I realize knowing a lot about a sport doesn't make you good at the sport itself, or a video game based on the sport. But I'm at a loss for an explanation cause I should be getting my butt handed to me by the pros.

damn tcrews, I consider myself pretty good at the game and I have to work my *** off to beat the CPU on Very Hard. I don't have any answers for you regarding Expert difficulty. You are right though, it seems like the CPU holds back on their serves even with players with big serves, I'd imagine Expert might change that. I also notice the CPU still makes a few mistakes on Very Hard when they have a chance for an easy winner.

I've been playing online and just mauling people, I need to link up with some of you OS'ers on 360, maybe do a little tournament or something if we can get enough people interested.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I'm sorry but with all due respect I find it very hard to believe you're winning 6-1 and 6-0 matches on very hard and I think you stated this happened not long after you opened the game. You are either the world's best tennis gamer or this is one big fish story. Maybe you should play one of us online because if you're beating the pros that easily then you should have no problem beating any of us that easily.

As for the return serve aiming for the corners works once or twice but the AI adjusts quickly and cuts that avenue off.

[Methlab]

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It's a good sign that the only people complaining about the game are offline players. Usually there is some exploit or glitch that ruins online, and (fingers crossed) so far this is not happening.

But really, if you are beating the game down on very hard and not playing online, then shame on you!! lol.

[tcrews]

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Seymour - I'm not sure I made it clear enough. But in case you didn't read everything. Here is what I stated in relation to the Very Hard difficulty.

I ask this and, please do not take this as some elitist comment, but very hard is way, way too easy. The reality is I don't know that much about tennis, and I should absolutely not be winning

I feel as though I'm somehow cheating the CPU because I just know it should be a lot harder. Maybe I have a low-risk style of play or something that isn't really built for this game, I honestly have no idea. I should be getting killed.

I'm just really hoping expert difficulty brings that challenge back. I absolutely am nowhere near good enough to be winning this easily. Seymour Scagnetti seems to understand tennis forward and backward, yet he's having a hard time winning on very hard to the point where he posted that the CPU felt cheap. I just think it should be me that thinks the CPU is too hard and him that's winning too easily.

I find it amazing that I say all of this, and even give you props for your tennis knowledge, then you proceed to tell me that this is a giant fish story, whatever that is. Go find some posts by me, the bulk of the time all I do is help people and answer their questions. I'm not a troll or someone that needs attention. Which I was almost certain I'd made clear. I'm completely aware of the fact that I shouldn't be winning this easily on Very Hard.

I am trying to figure out what I'm doing "wrong" because it flat out doesn't feel like the difficulty has moved from hard. I lost my second match on Very Hard, and haven't lost since. I have virtually no knowledge of tennis and know for a fact I shouldn't be winning this easily. I have read over and over about how the AI adapts to you, this doesn't seem to be happening for me because they do the exact. same. things. over. and. over. It's gotten to the point I can run to the opposite side of the court, when I can tell they're going to hit it there, and instead of going the opposite side. They hit it directly to me instead. It makes no sense. This is why I think there's some form of error.

Here's all I can think of. My "default" difficulty is hard, when I start a game, I move the CPU's difficulty marker over their head to "very hard", am I doing that wrong, should I change the default difficulty to very hard? I have a ps3, could this be a PS3 glitch? I did the full install that was required and am all but positive I have sufficient hard drive space, could this be causing a problem? Does anyone have any recommendations in general of other things I'm not mentioning that could be going on here?

I'm sitting here typing about, for a second time, how I don't believe for a moment that the game should be this easy on the "very hard" difficulty. Reason being? I don't believe I am anywhere near good enough to be winning that easily. How in the world you can take that as me "fishing" I would never understand so I'll stop trying. I'm trying to seek help regarding this because I'd like to fix it and am all but certain something is wrong, on my end, my systems end, my games end, or whatever else, but on my end none the less.

Just for the record, Seymour. I'm willing to bet there are people out there who know even less about the game of tennis than I do, that are obliterating the CPU on very hard. Just because you can't beat the CPU on a specific difficulty does not mean for a second that nobody else in the world can. If I hadn't prefaced my questions with a long winded explanation to avoid someone taking it the wrong way (which you did anyway). I can only imagine how much you would've freaked out on them for claiming to be able to do something you can't do in a video game.

[The Visualizer]

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tcrews,

not sure why people are doubting you or being defensive about the game, don't worry about it. I figured someone that posts as frequently about this game as Seymour would have realized you are a "regular" around these parts too and not some random troll. Look forward to hearing how you fare on the Expert difficulty if you are going to try to unlock it.

[tcrews]

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Visualizer - First and foremost, thank you for not taking my post the wrong way. Secondly, I'm willing to bet if we went head to head, you'd probably beat me soundly. I think there's a glitch or something. If it's actually me being "that" good at the game, I'd be shocked. I don't think that's the case. I'm going to attempt to figure out what's wrong now that I've read how hard it is for a lot of people here. It never felt like it was difficult enough to begin with, and now I know why. I played the first three Top Spins for about a month total, if that. So I should have a long way to go. I'm going to call 2k sports when I get a chance or email their customer service and see if they can help me.

If I had a 360 I would definitely play against you just for the hell of it. I plan on playing this online later on when I learn all the ins and outs of the game. As it stands I'm trying to learn the appropriate times for an inside-out shot, recognizing when to use a drop shot, focusing on serving so I can get more aces, and a litany of other skills I need to get used to before I take it online. I always like to master a game offline before I jump online. I just hope whatever issue I'm having is fixable so I can get back into the game. It feels stuck on hard. The first day or two I played the game, I was getting so amped up during matches it was ridiculous. So I'm really hoping to return to that asap and get this issue resolved.

Not to mention, aside from the CPU not serving hard enough, which other people have posted. Being able to smoke that return shot by them consistently is annoying. Everyone on here has said the AI constantly adjusts, which obviously, based on reviews and everyone here, I believe is correct. Seymour said that those return shots only work once or twice, which I also believe. So all that leads me to believe I'm experiencing some sort of glitch. I'll keep you posted. I've seen you post over on the Fight Night forums too, excited for the title update on Tuesday? I know I am.

Methlab - I can honestly say that in all my posting here, I don't think I have ever talked about my skills or boasted or anything like that. I have commented on slider threads when I'm trying to find a more difficult yet realistic set. But a lot of the reason we're on slider threads to begin with is to find something that makes the game more challenging while still being realistic. So it's not a "me" trait or anything. The reason I'm not playing online is because I've had this for less than a week now and still have a lot to learn. What system are you on? If it's PS3 I'll add you and we can have a few matches. You'll probably beat the crap out of me. Playing offline is one thing but online is another beast. Looking forward to it whenever I decide to make the jump.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Seymour - I'm not sure I made it clear enough. But in case you didn't read everything. Here is what I stated in relation to the Very Hard difficulty.

I ask this and, please do not take this as some elitist comment, but very hard is way, way too easy. The reality is I don't know that much about tennis, and I should absolutely not be winning

I feel as though I'm somehow cheating the CPU because I just know it should be a lot harder. Maybe I have a low-risk style of play or something that isn't really built for this game, I honestly have no idea. I should be getting killed.

I'm just really hoping expert difficulty brings that challenge back. I absolutely am nowhere near good enough to be winning this easily. Seymour Scagnetti seems to understand tennis forward and backward, yet he's having a hard time winning on very hard to the point where he posted that the CPU felt cheap. I just think it should be me that thinks the CPU is too hard and him that's winning too easily.

I find it amazing that I say all of this, and even give you props for your tennis knowledge, then you proceed to tell me that this is a giant fish story, whatever that is. Go find some posts by me, the bulk of the time all I do is help people and answer their questions. I'm not a troll or someone that needs attention. Which I was almost certain I'd made clear. I'm completely aware of the fact that I shouldn't be winning this easily on Very Hard.

I am trying to figure out what I'm doing "wrong" because it flat out doesn't feel like the difficulty has moved from hard. I lost my second match on Very Hard, and haven't lost since. I have virtually no knowledge of tennis and know for a fact I shouldn't be winning this easily. I have read over and over about how the AI adapts to you, this doesn't seem to be happening for me because they do the exact. same. things. over. and. over. It's gotten to the point I can run to the opposite side of the court, when I can tell they're going to hit it there, and instead of going the opposite side. They hit it directly to me instead. It makes no sense. This is why I think there's some form of error.

Here's all I can think of. My "default" difficulty is hard, when I start a game, I move the CPU's difficulty marker over their head to "very hard", am I doing that wrong, should I change the default difficulty to very hard? I have a ps3, could this be a PS3 glitch? I did the full install that was required and am all but positive I have sufficient hard drive space, could this be causing a problem? Does anyone have any recommendations in general of other things I'm not mentioning that could be going on here?

I'm sitting here typing about, for a second time, how I don't believe for a moment that the game should be this easy on the "very hard" difficulty. Reason being? I don't believe I am anywhere near good enough to be winning that easily. How in the world you can take that as me "fishing" I would never understand so I'll stop trying. I'm trying to seek help regarding this because I'd like to fix it and am all but certain something is wrong, on my end, my systems end, my games end, or whatever else, but on my end none the less.

Just for the record, Seymour. I'm willing to bet there are people out there who know even less about the game of tennis than I do, that are obliterating the CPU on very hard. Just because you can't beat the CPU on a specific difficulty does not mean for a second that nobody else in the world can. If I hadn't prefaced my questions with a long winded explanation to avoid someone taking it the wrong way (which you did anyway). I can only imagine how much you would've freaked out on them for claiming to be able to do something you can't do in a video game.

Yeah change the default difficulty to very hard. That could be the problem. Don't take it the wrong way but when you mentioned the return service winners then I knew that couldn't be on the very hard difficulty so that's why I called you out on it. My apologies, it's just that I've heard stuff like this before about other games being way too easy and I would play them online and beat them pretty easily and I could tell the way they were playing that they weren't very good on any skill level.

Although on hard level they cut off that return serve pretty quickly as well so it could be your game copy.