Xbox One

[KingTocco]

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COD and Halo yeah wow and what I said about brand name and price is true. There are some things that may hurt Sony though. With Scorpio coming out next holiday if Sony does not come out with a new system in till 2019 or later then they are going to give Scorpio a good sizes power advantage for at least 2 years and if they don't come out with ps5 in till at least 2019 they are going to give Scorpio time to cut there price on the system but if they come out with a ps4 in 2018 that would be only 2 years after the pro and that would most likely piss people off.

...it's okay if you prefer Sony and PlayStation, its glaringly obvious but a lot of it is nonsense.

I'd take Microsoft as a whole over the Sony brand any day, I have a lot of confidence in what the Xbox team can do especially with what they've done to the Xbox One post launch.


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[TheBadazz]

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I'd take Microsoft as a whole over the Sony brand any day, I have a lot of confidence in what the Xbox team can do especially with what they've done to the Xbox One post launch.

The Xbox One is a whole different machine then when it was launched. The post launch updates transformed it nicely.

No fanboy here I own both systems.

[mestevo]

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The Xbox One is a whole different machine then when it was launched. The post launch updates transformed it nicely.

No fanboy here I own both systems.

That's what happens when you have a software company building a console. Love it.

[ubernoob]

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that is not going to cut it....MS and Sony are trying to lessen people going to PC

when PS4 and XB1 are suppose to generally be considered 1080p consoles you do not release another with 1080p again

How do you sell that to people

Hey here is another new console that is doing 1080p again but with better textures?

No what sells is new and improved tech like 4k even if they cut corners

I think you're wrong here, but they aren't trying to get people to replace as their main deal. The XBOne Scorpio is for those that don't have the system, like the PS4 Pro. Obviously anyone upgrading is good for them - but they want people that don't have it (be it them adopting stuff late, or only owning a PS4 currently [or vice versa for the PS4 Pro]) to get this instead of the base machine.

The 4K stuff is just for those that they can swindle with their marketing, or for those that do their research and understand what they are buying when it comes to those upgrading.

[daniel77733]

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MS and Sony trying to prevent gamers from jumping to PC is bullcrap. There's a reason why games sell millions on consoles and barely hit that on PC. It's because console gamers don't want to play on PC. If gamers wanted to play on PC, last gen wouldn't have seen both consoles go over 80m each and this gen, about 70m thus far combined. I simply don't buy that excuse from either company.

I purchased a PRO and a 4K HDR TV mainly because im now single and have extra money to spurge and with no interest on my credit card and $150 cash back, the Pro was a no brainer. But in no way, shape or form did I buy a Pro to stay away from PC gaming. I wouldn't get into PC gaming at all. It has it's benefits but it's way too much money to keep your system updated yearly plus while there's problems on consoles, PC ports usually suck at launch worse than any home console game launch.

Plus, while all the options for PC gaming is great, for someone like me who simply just wants to play the game instead of messing around with all the sliders and adjustments, PC gaming is more of a turn off than a turn on.

Andrew House saying that he doesn't want gamers to jump to PC is a joke. PS4 wouldn't be at 45m if that was true. Previous consoles wouldn't have sold as good to great as they did. If anything, having a mid-gen upgrade is worse and would push gamers more to PC than not having one for one simple reason - money. If you spent $400 on the base PS4 and now, another $400 on Pro, that's $800 which could be put towards a PC. Double that if you add in both consoles and next year's Scorpio.

Can you build an equal or better PC for $1600? If so, gamers would have done that already years ago. PC gaming is more for those who play MMORPGS and MOBA's. Outside of those few games in those genres, what other game actually has millions playing them? GTA V is probably the only other game.

The PC argument is just one of the excuses to release the PRO/Scorpio. But it's deeply and severely flawed. Look at Gears of War 4 on PC. Did it even sell more than a few hundred thousand copies? That's not a success. If anything, for most publishers, PC gaming is more of a waste of money and resources than anything.

Another flaw thus far is that a few games are running worse on PRO than the base PS4 and that's completely unacceptable. If Scorpio turns out to be the same, it will just be a matter of time before the backlash hits the fan.

Visually, Uncharted 4 and Gears of War 4 look amazing in their own ways and that's all on the base hardware. It's more about the developer, optimizing, testing and the publisher giving the developer time and money to do all of that as opposed to the consoles themselves.

[daniel77733]

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I'd take Microsoft as a whole over the Sony brand any day, I have a lot of confidence in what the Xbox team can do especially with what they've done to the Xbox One post launch.

This I easily disagree with. While Sony has been screwing up badly recently, look at everything Microsoft tried to pull before the launch of Xbox One. Seriously, the only reason why Microsoft and Xbox One have rebounded is because of Phil Spencer and the people above him staying out of his way.

Of course, none of this matters. I have realized that when both companies are "on top", they always do stupid crap that makes no sense, they then apologize for it, make amends, and the process just keeps repeating with both companies taking turns.

Back to Xbox One, I give Phil Spencer majority of the credit for turning around the Xbox One brand as he's made it desirable to own one and play games on it.

[daniel77733]

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Because the XBox One name is doing just fine.

Because this is a mid-life console refresh that isn't anywhere close to the start of a new generation.

Because launching this at 300 is crazy.

I know a lot of what you post in relation to consoles is long winded and silly, but let's get those ideas out of the way quickly. This is just a basic mid-life refresh that incorporates less dated technology.

You can't compare this console cycle to the 360/PS3 cycle. When the 360 released, it was more advanced graphically than PC was. It didn't take the PC long to catch up/pass in terms of hardware power because when the PS3 launched a year later PC had surpassed already. That console generation still had a head start on PC.

This console cycle, the XBOne/PS4 were nothing more than low-mid range PC quality. Even now, the PS4 Pro is nothing more than mid-range PC and the Scorpio will also be in the mid-range PC.

For it to hit 4K (which is a silly benchmark at this point in time, consoles this cycle should just focus on making 1080p with all the bells and whistles enabled - it looks better than 4K with effects cut, which will have to happen with the power they are touting) they are gonna cut stuff out, or have 30fps be their target. That's fine for some games, but some games need 60fps to be a superb experience.

This is gonna be about equivalent to an RX480. It will get a couple more frames, since the consoles have less overhead than a PC but look at the numbers. An RX480 runs Rise of the Tomb Raider at ~23fps at 4K. Hitman gets a slightly better 30FPS.

Too many people have the wrong ideas about these consoles, but that's just marketing doing their jobs.

The Xbox One name is still seen as inferior and like the President of GameStop said months ago to Spencer himself, consumers still see Xbox One as what it was originally going to be. 25m is great but not so much when your competition is 20m ahead.

I know Scorpio is a mid-gen console refresh but im hoping it's not.

$300 is crazy but even the most hated Microsoft person wouldn't be able to resist buying it day one. Besides, if it launches at $400, lowering it to $300 isn't going to make that much of a difference to a billion dollar company like Microsoft. Consoles are all about getting into the home and making the money on software, digital stuff and Xbox Live Gold subscriptions. Short term, they would be losing money but over the long run, they would break even and eventually make money. Getting off to an excellent start is huge because unless you screw it up (which both seem to do every other gen), you can ride the momentum for the entire generation.

The rest of the stuff that involves PC is where the problem lies. Microsoft and Sony are worrying way too much about PC and they don't need to be. PC gaming will never ever be as popular as consoles. It's never happened. It will never happen and it's not even because of money. It's because when you first start gaming, it's on a console and not a PC. Consoles are easier to just plug and play. PC games require way more investment, time, installing drivers, being all compatible, having a controller that's compatible, etc. If anything, it's more of a headache than anything else.

Reason why im still not a fan of mid-gen consoles is simple. PS4 and Xbox One are damn good enough they neither need a mid-gen console and trying to prevent console gamers from jumping to PC isn't going to happen. If those out there want to play on PC, they will do regardless of what Sony and Microsoft does with their consoles but those people are the minority.

Outside of your Warcrafts, Hearthstone, Diablos, Counter Strike, etc. as well as just the MMORPGS/MOBA genres in general, games don't sell on PC. When was the last time a game sold over 1m on PC but didn't sell that on consoles? Add in the fact that most PC ports are horrible at launch and well, why any console gamer would want to switch to PC gaming is beyond me especially when if PC gaming was so great, consoles wouldn't sell the high amounts that they do and have done for decades.

The main problem is that Sony and Microsoft are trying to be something that they're not - PC gaming. And quite honestly, they need to stop trying to be that for one simple reason. Those who play on consoles do so for one main reason - they don't want to be bothered playing games on PC. It's simply not how they want to play games. If they did, PS4 wouldn't be at 45m, Xbox One wouldn't be at 25m and last gen wouldn't have had around 170m total. Hell, even the casual Wii got more gamers to buy that console as opposed to gaming on PC. Kind of says it all right there.

I don't have the wrong idea about the consoles. I know what they are. It's just not what I want Scorpio to be. Mid-gen consoles is simply a waste for one reason - console gamers are not jumping to PC. If that was true or was ever going to happen, it would have happened already. The simple fact that it hasn't should tell both Sony and Microsoft something and that's to stop trying to compete with the PC market when there is no market to compete with in the first place.

[NYGiants4Natic]

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Ohh dear lord.....Not again

[daniel77733]

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Ohh dear lord.....Not again

Okay, okay. Point made. Just don't like either company trying to compete with PC gaming, that's all.

[mestevo]

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Okay, okay. Point made. Just don't like either company trying to compete with PC gaming, that's all.

You could have said just that. It's still wrong, but would have saved yourself a lot of time.

Microsoft's ecosystem is including PC gaming, rather than competing with it.

[daniel77733]

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You could have said just that. It's still wrong, but would have saved yourself a lot of time.

Microsoft's ecosystem is including PC gaming, rather than competing with it.

True but I wanted to explain why I don't like it as opposed to just saying, I don't like it. Yeah, I know that too and long term, who knows how that plays out. If sales for FH3 and Gears 4 on PC are any indication, they should just keep the games exclusive to Xbox One/Scorpio. It's still too early to tell but it doesn't look good.

[mestevo]

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True but I wanted to explain why I don't like it as opposed to just saying, I don't like it. Yeah, I know that too and long term, who knows how that plays out. If sales for FH3 and Gears 4 on PC are any indication, they should just keep the games exclusive to Xbox One/Scorpio. It's still too early to tell but it doesn't look good.

Based on what? I bought FH3 digitally on my Xbox One to play it on both. PC sales don't reflect that.

I can also stream my Xbox One to my PC, and my friends can see that I'm playing Stellaris and ping me to hop on Madden to play our CFM game.

It's more than game sales, the value proposition of a single ecosystem across preferred devices is a big deal and has driven some digital sales for us due to Play Anywhere.

[mgoblue]

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I'm interested in Scorpio for when i eventually get a 4k tv....

Anyone think Sony must have something up their sleeve though? Or do we really think they'll go with only the PS4 Pro and that's it? MS delivering real 4k will be a punch in the face, albeit one that Sony knows is coming.

Think Sony has a PS4 Pro 2 or something in mind? I could see them coming to E3 with something comparable and trying to one up MS, I dunno.

[sbauer318]

Xbox One

True but I wanted to explain why I don't like it as opposed to just saying, I don't like it. Yeah, I know that too and long term, who knows how that plays out. If sales for FH3 and Gears 4 on PC are any indication, they should just keep the games exclusive to Xbox One/Scorpio. It's still too early to tell but it doesn't look good.

You just don't understand the PC world but yet you keep talking about it as if your opinions are based on experience.

I purchased the game on Xbox but never play either game on Xbox. Also, the Windows 10 store has issues. Some users won't buy games on it because of that. Some players won't buy games on it just for the point of it. They want the games on Steam so they're not buying. Microsoft knows that they have to improve and that it's going to be hard to crack some gamers.

There's a lot more here than "Oh pc sales are lower so they don't want it or pc gamers don't buy games"

[mestevo]

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Potentially pricey, but here's a 3rd party OTA DVR if anyone had their heart set on getting one.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/15/tablo-ota-dvr-for-xbox-one/