Xbox One

[Phobia]

Re: Xbox One

I literally don't have it in me to write a 40 page dissertation like Daniel seems to do on every post. So this will be short.

Daniel, just because you cram your posts to the brim with as many words as you can fit, it doesn't make them accurate. Most of what you seem to spew is ill-informed and is more biased opinion.

So to my point of writing this from the get go. Your perception of PC gaming couldn't be further from accurate and highlights just how ill-informed you are. I've grown so tired of reading your nonsense that I will place you on ignore. Over the years I've become to know who are real people on OS and who are just emotional trolls. You sir need to take a step back and reassess how you want to be perceived on OS, because I'm fairly certain most of your novels go unread because of how many people have placed you on ignore by now.

Edit: Opps sorry Uber, I just saw you addressed the PC part in your post. I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught how ignorant it was. Great post man.

[Boltman]

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I literally don't have it in me to write a 40 page dissertation like Daniel seems to do on every post. So this will be short.

Daniel, just because you cram your posts to the brim with as many words as you can fit, it doesn't make them accurate. Most of what you seem to spew is ill-informed and is more biased opinion.

So to my point of writing this from the get go. Your perception of PC gaming couldn't be further from accurate and highlights just how ill-informed you are. I've grown so tired of reading your nonsense that I will place you on ignore. Over the years I've become to know who are real people on OS and who are just emotional trolls. You sir need to take a step back and reassess how you want to be perceived on OS, because I'm fairly certain most of your novels go unread because of how many people have placed you on ignore by now.

Edit: Opps sorry Uber, I just saw you addressed the PC part in your post. I'm glad I'm not the only one to caught how ignorant it was. Great post man.

This cuts right to the heart of it, well said.

[mgoblue]

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The "not wanting two systems" mindset is key too. I know EG went PS4 and won't get a Xbox One...

I went Xbox One and won't be getting a PS4.

I had all of them last gen and you end up picking a main one and the other sits around gaining dust. Better to just buy into one ecosystem.

I may get a Nintendo Switch, but that'd be for my almost 3 year old son and also because it's portable too. Once he's old enough to trust with it then it'd be great for him.

[redsox4evur]

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The "not wanting two systems" mindset is key too. I know EG went PS4 and won't get a Xbox One...

I went Xbox One and won't be getting a PS4.

I had all of them last gen and you end up picking a main one and the other sits around gaining dust. Better to just buy into one ecosystem.

I may get a Nintendo Switch, but that'd be for my almost 3 year old son and also because it's portable too. Once he's old enough to trust with it then it'd be great for him.

Yea I was the same way last gen. I had a 360, Wii, PS3, PSP. But I went X1 last year and really hadn't contemplated getting a PS4 until I heard the Show was ditching the PS3. And this is the same reason I got a PS3 in the first place. Because The Show was ditching the PSP. I'm hesitant on buying a PS4 because I probably won't play it that much. And I'm not a big fan of the exclusives.

And I may get the Switch as well because I skipped the Wii U but I'm in wait and see mode on that. I wanna see how the 3rd party support is especially from EA, and Visual Concepts. And also what 1st party games are going to be available. I am hoping for a Pokemon game of some sort.

[kwebbvols4423]

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Yea I was the same way last gen. I had a 360, Wii, PS3, PSP. But I went X1 last year and really hadn't contemplated getting a PS4 until I heard the Show was ditching the PS3. And this is the same reason I got a PS3 in the first place. Because The Show was ditching the PSP. I'm hesitant on buying a PS4 because I probably won't play it that much. And I'm not a big fan of the exclusives.

And I may get the Switch as well because I skipped the Wii U but I'm in wait and see mode on that. I wanna see how the 3rd party support is especially from EA, and Visual Concepts. And also what 1st party games are going to be available. I am hoping for a Pokemon game of some sort.

I have a PS4 for the Show, PES, and exclusives. Both are great systems.

[ExtremeGamer]

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The "not wanting two systems" mindset is key too. I know EG went PS4 and won't get a Xbox One...

I went Xbox One and won't be getting a PS4.

I had all of them last gen and you end up picking a main one and the other sits around gaining dust. Better to just buy into one ecosystem.

I may get a Nintendo Switch, but that'd be for my almost 3 year old son and also because it's portable too. Once he's old enough to trust with it then it'd be great for him.

Bingo. For me, lack of time and the money factor, one system just makes sense. I did it last gen too, only owned a 360. I don't even pay much attention to what XB1 does right now. Not a knock on them because I could very well have an Xbox next gen, but I also didn't pay any attention to PS3 last gen, which is why I had new found love in Uncharted among others.

It just works for some of us, others like to have it all. No wrong or right way to do it, but I respect the hell out of Xbox just like I've always respected Sony. I don't bow down to any plastic box or PC, I play where the majority of my friends are and where I'll have fun. Games/fun are all that matter to me.

[mgoblue]

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Bingo. For me, lack of time and the money factor, one system just makes sense. I did it last gen too, only owned a 360. I don't even pay much attention to what XB1 does right now. Not a knock on them because I could very well have an Xbox next gen, but I also didn't pay any attention to PS3 last gen, which is why I had new found love in Uncharted among others.

It just works for some of us, others like to have it all. No wrong or right way to do it, but I respect the hell out of Xbox just like I've always respected Sony. I don't bow down to any plastic box or PC, I play where the majority of my friends are and where I'll have fun. Games/fun are all that matter to me.

Exactly. I don't really play online much anymore either, due to the lack of time or odd hours I play.

I just happen to like the TV stuff, even just basic channel changing is cool, and it's a more integrated box to use vs. having to change inputs and stuff for my wife.

I'm sure I'd like PS4 too, but no time and I'd rather save that money for a tv or something else. I've realized that I don't care that much for exclusives, i'ts not worth the investment.

[Tomba]

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My opinion on the Scorpio.

It will be obsolete after 3 yrs of its release

While a graphics card bought for the same amount wont be...and that's after knowing what the Scorpio costs so say 600 to 700. a 600 to 700 graphics card (minus the computer etc) will be more powerful than a Scorpio and will still (if you use the graphics card as an upgrade to your existing PC gaming machine)take better advantage of Microsoft games on windows 10 than ANY Scorpio spec etc.

However me as a console gamer I like console games so having a Scorpio for 3 yrs ain't bad as nowadays having the same cellphone for 3 yrs seems like ages and the ways we've now seen the pro coming out its going to be the norm

[mgoblue]

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My opinion on the Scorpio.

It will be obsolete after 3 yrs of its release

While a graphics card bought for the same amount wont be...and that's after knowing what the Scorpio costs so say 600 to 700. a 600 to 700 graphics card (minus the computer etc) will be more powerful than a Scorpio and will still (if you use the graphics card as an upgrade to your existing PC gaming machine)take better advantage of Microsoft games on windows 10 than ANY Scorpio spec etc.

However me as a console gamer I like console games so having a Scorpio for 3 yrs ain't bad as nowadays having the same cellphone for 3 yrs seems like ages and the ways we've now seen the pro coming out its going to be the norm

Not sure I'd pony up 600-700 for scorpio personally....That seems high to me, but we'll see.

I'm just at the point where my PC processor is old, so I'm not really going to be pouring in tons of money into it. Don't really want to pay to build one or buy a new one. Honestly, this PC's going to be moving to the guest room/office to more sit there as a server. We don't get on it a ton, I do most stuff on my work laptop if I need a PC (aside from taxes).

If I buy any new PC it'd be a nice laptop that's somewhat portable, not build a gaming desktop.

For those reasons I'll just have to see what Scorpio's value is...and also realize that I'll be keeping the Xbox One around longer since it is a pretty good streaming box and dvd player....but if it's that expensive I can't swing it. I can see trading in a current Xbox if it's 400ish...

[redsox4evur]

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I have a PS4 for the Show, PES, and exclusives. Both are great systems.

I just don't play games long enough to justify over $300 for a system where I would only get on average 1 game a year. I have the editions that got you the complete PS3 franchises of God of War, and Uncharted and I haven't even finished the first game in each franchise. The only PS exclusives (not including The Show) that I would pick up are Ratchet and Clank and the new Spider-Man game whenever that drops. I can live without those games. Ratchet and Clank has been out for months if not years and I haven't thought much about it until this post. And I haven't looked at anything (if there even has been anything) on the Spider-Man game since it news came out at E3. And I could still play The Show on PS3 this year.

[daniel77733]

Re: Xbox One

The President of GameStop isn't really an authority on anything except for how GameStop is run.

Disagree simply because it's actually how consumers in general still perceive the Xbox One to be. Since GameStop is one of the bigger retailers for video games, if the majority of those who shop there believe that Xbox One is still what they believe it to be, then the majority of consumers in general do as well simply because they're not going to read or follow up on if any of what happened three and a half years ago is still true. In short, the perception of what Xbox One was three and a half years ago is still the reality for the majority of consumers. It shouldn't be but that's what it is.

At least you know.

Never said I didn't know what Scorpio is said to be but im still hoping that it's not what it's said to be.

Yes, even the person who hates Microsoft the most would be able to resist. You know how many times I got called a PlayStation fanboy in this very thread? Mainly because people don't like hearing other viewpoints. MS could have released the XBOne at $50 in it's original form and I still would not have bought one. I'm talking about when the Kinect and all that other garbage was still floating around. Some people just aren't interested in multiple consoles - and you know what? That's fine. I like all of them, even the Wii U. Some don't. That's life.

True but the cheaper the price, the more likely it will sell better and that includes to those who hate Microsoft, Xbox One or both. PS4 sold not only because of Microsoft's mistakes but also because of the $100 cheaper price tag. Price tag makes a difference. Take Switch for example, anything more than $300, it will be dead on arrival simply because it will not be seen as worth the cost. You not buying one wouldn't matter because it's all about the casual general consumer and parents. In the end, both parties go for the cheaper price tag.

This is where the real ignorance lies. PC Games require as much time as you want to give them. This isn't the 1990s anymore. I built a PC 5 years ago.
You know how many times I've swapped a part out on it? Once, when I bought a 1080.
You know how often I update a (singular) driver, being a graphics card driver? Maybe once every 3-4 months, when I feel like clicking on a pop-up that says "Hey, a new driver is available." - which then downloads and installs itself, just like a console software update. You know how many times I've had an issue with a controller? Never, because support for 360 controllers are built in to Windows.

The real headache is reading uninformed posts like these talk as if it's gospel. So you're right. It's not about money, because in the long run console gaming is more expensive than PC gaming. It's about being uninformed - or just preferring consoles, which is also fine, but don't be ignorant about it.

I guess then when I see hundreds and thousands of posts, videos and complaints about PC gaming in regards to games not running correctly or games needing updated drivers or whatever the reason may be must be in my head. Maybe it's just that you're one of the PC gamers that doesn't have a problem playing PC games. But just because you don't have problems doesn't mean that it doesn't exist for hundreds and thousands of other PC gamers.

As for console gaming costing more than PC gaming, I have looked at PC gaming and it's way more money than consoles. To get a gaming PC costs at least $1200 if not more and that's just for starters. Sure, you can go the cheap route but what's the point in going to PC gaming to begin with if you're not going to get "max" capabilities in every aspect of the games that you'll be playing?

I haven't seen anything about this being to prevent people from jumping to PC. Mid-gen refreshes aren't anything new. Maybe not to the scale of this, but that's what happens when you start on the back foot compared to where technology at the time is.

That's directly from Sony's Andrew House in describing why they researched, developed and manufactured the PS4 PRO. As inaccurate and full of crap as they may be, they were his words, not mine. Mid-gen consoles has NEVER EVER happened so I don't know where you think it's not new because it is.

Again, ignorance. There is more to gaming than major AAA games (which still do sell extremely well on PC.)

Indie Titles: http://www.pcgamesn.com/steams-top-s...-4-equivalents (Indie games on Steam make 15x more money than they do on PS4 on average)

PC v XBOne sales: http://www.dsogaming.com/news/report...n-on-xbox-one/ (PC sales that have outpaced XBOne sales, by what we know about the numbers)

Ubisoft specifics: https://www.vg247.com/2015/07/10/ubi...xbox-one-lags/ (PS4 made up 27% of ubisoft revenue in that quarter, PC made up 23%, XBOne/PS3/360 at 11% each.)

Most PC ports are far from horrible at launch, that's why you see the news when a rare PC port is ****ty. It's not something that's just accepted.

Indies - there's not a single game in that post regarding Indies selling 15X more on PC than on PS4. Of course, don't forget, unlike PS4, a good amount of Indies are either free to play, early access or at a far cheaper price than what they cost on PC. Add in the fact that a lot of times, games get released first on PC/Steam than they do consoles so that definitely plays into it.

PC vs Xbox One - That's not impressive at all for one main reason. Games go on sale way more often and for cheaper on Steam than they do either console. If the price tag was the same, this minor difference wouldn't exist. Also, PS4 outsold BOTH PC and Xbox One showing that console sales are still stronger overall than PC is despite NOT having the constant and consistent Steam sales and actually says more about Xbox One than it does PC. If anything, this makes Xbox One look weak as opposed to making PC look strong. In fairness though, if PS4 and Xbox One were in each other's respective position, then it would be Xbox One outselling PS4 and PC which again, would make the PS4 look weak in this scenario. None of these examples make PC look great at all. Comparing games on PC which can run at a higher resolution, frame rate, and a crapload of options and settings to Xbox One isn't making PC gaming look better because in this situation, if anything, PC SHOULD be outselling Xbox One. Even then, it's not every game. And add in the user install base between PC and Xbox One and in this aspect, makes PC look even weaker.

The only major difference is Rise of the Tomb Raider and has nothing to do with Xbox One. Game was a timed exclusive which was mistake number one. Paying for ROTTR to be a timed exclusive on a plat-form that's not see as "home" was mistake number two. Releasing on the same day as Fallout 4 was mistake number three. ROTTR releasing at the end of January on PC in a dead month for games, against no competition, with all the options and settings that PC offers and the simple fact that by this time, majority of gamers were already finished with the Fall/Holiday 2015 titles makes this if anything, expected and not surprising at all.

Ubisoft - Again, misleading info and sales numbers. There's several games that are PC exclusive that are added into the 23% and im pretty sure that if you subtract those PC exclusives, Xbox One would either win or be extremely close. Another aspect is this - Xbox One had an Assassin's Creed Unity console bundle and these do NOT count in software sales.

Seriously, all these numbers if anything are more of an embarrassment because if the PC is leading, the lead is minimal, doesn't reflect games that are free to play, early access, exclusive to PC or on sale every week for cheap as hell prices that quite simply doesn't happen on consoles. In turn, all of these different aspects factor into the sales and at the end of the day, none of this is impressive at all. When a multi-platform game launches on PS4, Xbox One and PC on the same day and stays the same exact price for all the same amount of time and there's no bullcrap, you let me know. Until then, none of this is anywhere near as impressive as you're making it out to be.

It's like saying, mobile gaming is the best because of sales....hmmm, every game is like 99 ******* cents...of course, they will sell. Even non-gamers buy that crap. Sorry but reading all of those articles and info you linked doesn't impress me at all. Only ROTTR is a major difference and let's be honest, that had nothing to do with PC gaming and more to do with the reasons I listed above.

As for PC ports being crappy, it happens way more times than it doesn't and it's always with AAA games. No one cares about those $5 indie games and free to play garbage. Come on. The point is that for an AAA game to be released crappy on PC says that even the company publishing the game doesn't care about the PC gaming market. Look at Batman Arkham Knight as it's probably the best example. There's plenty of others. You can find this info with nearly every major release. Granted, console ports have their problems as well but considering the fact that all the games are developed on PC and then ported over kind of says something, don't you think?

I'm dumbfounded by this comment, literally. PC Gaming is just another way to do it. I play on PC. I own an XBOne, PS4, WiiU, Wii, Vita, multiple 3DS, multiple DS, etc. Since I bought an XBOne/PS4, that must mean I don't want to play on PC though. Gotcha.

Nothing to be dumbfounded about. Console gaming is NOT PC gaming and Sony/Microsoft trying to turn it into something it's not, never was and should never be isn't hard to understand. How you can add in consoles and portables and compare them to PC is what doesn't make any sense. Console gaming and PC gaming are TWO VERY DIFFERENT platforms of gaming. Has nothing to do with how YOU play games. Has to do with how the casual everyday consumer plays games and guess what, they don't play on PC. Both have very different markets and I truly don't see how anyone can think that they're both the same when they're clearly not.

See above. Also, see above. Stop droning on with your PC garbage like this is a "Console vs. PC" thing. It's not.

It's a "Hey, when we released these consoles a few years ago they were middling for the technology available. Now that new stuff is out, we'll refresh them with what's middling for this year." thing.

If you want to keep up with your illusions that console games think they are superior to PC gamers and vice-versa, feel free. The only truth is that these consoles are weak compared to PC in terms of power. That's fine, that's not what gaming is about. Making it an "Us vs. Them" thing is stupid now, just like it's stupid that people pick sides in a "PS4 vs. XBOne" type of way. If you like one better, that's good. Enjoy all the games you get.

You are, however, allowed to enjoy games everywhere. It's not a crime. Some games (shooters, MOBAs) work infinitely better with a mouse and keyboard as a control scheme. Some games (action-adventure stuff like Dark Souls) work infinitely better with a controller as a control scheme.

My advice to you would be to stop taking things so seriously and do a bit of homework before making long posts filled with misinformation.

All I ever said was that I don't want console gaming to become like PC gaming. Don't really see what's so hard and difficult to understand by that?

Misinformation? Dude, all those links if anything disprove what you're trying to prove simply because you're not taking into account every factor when it relates to console gaming compared to PC gaming. None of those links or articles makes PC gaming anything more than what I already said it was - inferior to consoles in relation to sales numbers. And considering that when you think about the user install base say of Steam compared to PS4 and Xbox One, having games sell just over 100K more on PC compared to Xbox One yet still get outsold on PS4 is making the argument for me.

The only exception would be ROTTR and let's be honest, that has way more to do with everything else regarding the game as opposed to it just selling better on PC.

But hey, like you said, just like you can believe whatever you want, so can I so we'll just agree to disagree.

[ubernoob]

Re: Xbox One

I'm done.

You can't read, but you sure do like to write a lot.

[sbauer318]

Xbox One

"Free to play garbage" is where I checked out. Garbage that has more concurrent users than your favorite AAA title could ever dream of. Not to mention an economic system that works for players and developers. But, yes, definitely garbage.

If it's not $60, it must not matter. Whatever

[daniel77733]

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"Free to play garbage" is where I checked out. Garbage that has more concurrent users than your favorite AAA title could ever dream of. Not to mention an economic system that works for players and developers. But, yes, definitely garbage.

If it's not $60, it must not matter. Whatever

Doesn't need to be $60. It could be $5, $10, $15, $20 or whatever. Just put a price on it and sell it. To me, free to play is garbage because that tells me the developer/publisher has no confidence in their game and product and thus, can't put a price on it because to them, it's not worth anything of value. Concurrent users on a FREE game compared to a $60 AAA game? Yeah, that's saying something.

[XtremeDunkz]

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Doesn't need to be $60. It could be $5, $10, $15, $20 or whatever. Just put a price on it and sell it. To me, free to play is garbage because that tells me the developer/publisher has no confidence in their game and product and thus, can't put a price on it because to them, it's not worth anything of value. Concurrent users on a FREE game compared to a $60 AAA game? Yeah, that's saying something.

You don't understand the market whatsoever.