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[iLLosophy]

Re: Xbox 720

If we get 4-8GB of RAM in either of the two consoles, I'll be a happy console gamer. If they go anywhere less than the 4GB, at some point we will run into the same issues as this gen.

I don't know if 8GB of ram will be enough if they wait another 8 years to release the next console.


Not sure about getting day one, need to make sure there's no RRoD again and confirm there are ways around Microsoft counting how many people are in my living room.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Xbox 720

Who am I kidding.....

Day 1.

[JBH3]

Re: Xbox 720

When does this bad boy come out anytime this year?


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The 360 exceeds all of my expectations for a gaming device. I truly love that piece of hardware lol. I am in no rush and still have a huge backlog of games. I assuming our 360 profiles will roll-over into the XBL 720 right?

Without having to dig through this thread, is there a posting that includes all of the specs/perks for the 720?

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Xbox 720

The 360 exceeds all of my expectations for a gaming device. I truly love that piece of hardware lol. I am in no rush and still have a huge backlog of games. I assuming our 360 profiles will roll-over into the XBL 720 right?

Without having to dig through this thread, is there a posting that includes all of the specs/perks for the 720?

All specs so far that are out there are pretty much rumors.

Considering that profiles transferred from the Xbox to the 360, I would think that they would transfer profiles to the new system when it comes out. They have built such a huge community, for them to screw this up would do them in for sure. I'd be worried about XBLA games from the 360 working on the new system, but since it looks like they might be sticking with similar architecture that might not be an issue.

[mestevo]

You use your profile on Windows 8 now, almost certainly will be used on whatever the 720 ends up being.

The potential synergy between all devices is nice to consider.

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[Altimus]

Re: Xbox 720

RAM is essential considering it was the lack of enough RAM that really held the PS3 and XBox 360 back, not their CPU. The more RAM you have in any device, the more complex programs it can run and the faster the program will run.

Same reason why cell phones now have 1 gig or more of RAM built into them now. More RAM the better. Consoles already mastered HD and digital sound. Now it is time for them to master complex AI in video games.

Processors have more to do with how smart an AI can be then RAM. The current systems only have 512MB of RAM and although not a lot, enough for what we're seeing out there today.

When you're playing a game you're just essentially running a few programs. The game and any online services. Where as on a phone and PC there are a lot more services running which require more RAM.

8GB is an overkill. You can run today's games with a top of a line processor, GPU and 4GB of RAM on PC.

[Chaos81]

Re: Xbox 720

8GB is an overkill.

I disagree.

I easily break 4GB while using FSX, and while I could still run it on 4GB of ram, having 8GB makes my computer much, much faster. With 4GB it was tough to do much else while using FSX (and that's assuming I didn't get OOM errors), 8GB makes it easy to do whatever I want.

Here's a quick test with FSX open along with FF, Spotify, and some other stuff.

[iLLosophy]

Re: Xbox 720

Processors have more to do with how smart an AI can be then RAM. The current systems only have 512MB of RAM and although not a lot, enough for what we're seeing out there today.

As long as speed doesn't suffer, more RAM is never a bad thing. Especially when the Blu-Ray discs means games can be 50GB.

In regards to AI, when you want it to learn to adapt to your behavior, more ram means more data for the AI to use to adapt (e.g You ran the same off screen play off Kobe five times in the last 10 possessions - from that data the AI decides next time to gamble in the passing lanes as it sees you setup that play once more).

I agree Processors play a huge part, especially in sports games where reaction decisions need to be made in a split second, but more RAM means more metrics the AI can use which means better adaptive behavior.

[Altimus]

Re: Xbox 720

Chaos, we're referring to memory usage on PC and not on a gaming console.

Unless anyone of us have a development kit then no one can say for sure. If the current systems can run games at 512mb without issue then why do you need 8GB of just RAM? The memory bandwidth on the new GPU should handle any memory needed.

[iLLosophy]

Re: Xbox 720

Chaos, we're referring to memory usage on PC and not on a gaming console.

Unless anyone of us have a development kit then no one can say for sure. If the current systems can run games at 512mb without issue then why do you need 8GB of just RAM? The memory bandwidth on the new GPU should handle any memory needed.

It's not about games running "without issue", or having a development kit. It's about allowing developers to unbuckle their belt several notches and allowing them to realize the possibilities we couldn't get with 512MB. Less loading screens. Longer/Full game replays. More dynamic commentary. Larger FPS multiplayer game stages. If you don't take my word for it, take the word from a developer/ceo for Crytek:

When asked what he would like Microsoft and Sony to factor into their next-generation consoles, Yerli stated that more memory would allow developers to do "so many more techniques and tricks".

"As a person who likes to drive technology-meets-game design as art, you can never have enough memory. Ever. Simple as that," Yerli told us. "Memory is the single most important thing that is always going to be underbalanced - I've never seen a console where the memory was the right balance.

Plus, the ideology that all RAM will be dedicate to the game you are playing is becoming less of a reality. Biggest example of this is the rumor about the built in DVR that operates independently of what you are currently doing on screen. This is no longer a just gaming console, it is an All-in-One media hub. Microsoft wants this to be a giant iPad on your living room wall - the iPad can play games, but it can do a ton of other things as well and has a crap load of apps to extend its abilities even further.

Depending on the design, one thing we might be able to assume the gaming part may have it's own dedicated chunk of that 8GB RAM...but for now that's still speculation. But for a system you expect to be relevant for the next 8 years, 8GB is small in my opinion. 6-8GB will probably be the PC standard once the new XBox console comes out.

[Altimus]

Re: Xbox 720

Of course you can never have enough of memory but it all depends on what you're doing with it and what the constraints are. Unless it's an exclusive, the biggest issue with gaming is making a game similar on all platforms; Xbox, PlayStation, PC, and now the WiiU. This is the biggest constraint.

4GB in five years will still be decent on a console IMO. 512MB 6 years ago wasn't much and is laughable now but yet you look at games like Halo 4, Uncharted, Crysis 2 and they're pretty impressive.

Give me processing power, a powerful GPU and gaming RAM. More is always better but I just don't see it being utilized in a gaming console. Not right away at least.

[beast10]

Re: Xbox 720

I'm not ready for another game system ... Seems like the 360 could hold me over until I'm 90 lol

[Altimus]

Re: Xbox 720

I'm just hoping we don't see crazy prices like Sony did with the PS3 last time.

[redsrule]

Re: Xbox 720

They were $600ish right? I don't think we will see it that high, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is in the $500 range.

[capn_razzamataz]

Re: Xbox 720

Of course you can never have enough of memory but it all depends on what you're doing with it and what the constraints are. Unless it's an exclusive, the biggest issue with gaming is making a game similar on all platforms; Xbox, PlayStation, PC, and now the WiiU. This is the biggest constraint.

4GB in five years will still be decent on a console IMO. 512MB 6 years ago wasn't much and is laughable now but yet you look at games like Halo 4, Uncharted, Crysis 2 and they're pretty impressive.

Give me processing power, a powerful GPU and gaming RAM. More is always better but I just don't see it being utilized in a gaming console. Not right away at least.

The thing is, Halo 4, Uncharted, and Crysis are impressive not because current console GPUs and CPUs are weak (the GPUs are nothing special nowadays, but the CPUs wouldn't be out of place even in a modern gaming PC) but because they are working with so little memory.

If anything, you want more RAM for the next consoles. It's easier to tweak things to run better on certain CPUs or GPUs (limit the number of instructions for CPUs and limit the number of pixels, shaders, physics calculations, etc. for GPUs) than it is to pare down the number (or size) of things you're putting into memory.

Seriously, it's mindboggling how much some of these studios have done with 512MB of RAM (which, buy the way, is shared with the GPU so they're loading audio, code AND all on-screen art assets into that little space). Imagine how much they could do with 16 times that amount or more. More memory = more future proofing. More so than GPUs and processors.

EDIT: Of course, if the industry goes where MS and Sony think it is, the limiting factor in 8 years may be your internet connection. Basically your game will run on some far away server (which is much more powerful than your console) and the video will be streamed to your console.