Xbox One

[ubernoob]

Re: Xbox One

Hopefully Microsoft is planning on putting on a show at E3.

Not like it truly matters all that much - 99% of the big releases are always multi-platform.

Sony has "better" RAM (in numbers, real world performance might not see much of an upgrade) and a better GPU. The PS4 RAM is basically better for a lot of bandwidth.

We've seen Forza. What other exclusives are there currently to get excited about? Halo? Gears of War? Random unknown FPS #3?

MS hasn't given anyone a truly good reason to get excited about exclusives for quite some time - especially when their only good ones are pretty much all FPS games.

[mgoblue]

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If you want to persuade your wife, I'll give you a suggestion : Do not mention the internet connectivity and the camera that must be connected .... (I'm probably going with PS4 given the VITA remote play where my wife can still watch tv, but when I mentioned this to my wife about the camera she instantly said "That's really creepy, no way".) .. Just advice on that front, leave the camera part out . Plus see what she thinks about changing the channel by talking to a box or making hand gestures - She may love that idea, but that really didn't do much on my home front

Mine loves yelling at the xbox lol. I think the voice commands will be useful, and video aspects can be ignored...

It's not like the system records everything and sends it to MS or something....

[kingkilla56]

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Not like it truly matters all that much - 99% of the big releases are always multi-platform.

Sony has "better" RAM (in numbers, real world performance might not see much of an upgrade) and a better GPU. The PS4 RAM is basically better for a lot of bandwidth.

We've seen Forza. What other exclusives are there currently to get excited about? Halo? Gears of War? Random unknown FPS #3?

MS hasn't given anyone a truly good reason to get excited about exclusives for quite some time - especially when their only good ones are pretty much all FPS games.

What PS exclusives are that amazing though? The exclusives are played out on both sides imo.

[Phobia]

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Mood let me ask you something. Do you feel it is a wise decision on MS part to piss off a big portion of it potential buyers????

Reason I ask this is because from a business stance MS has made some really bad decisions. They didn't come out and say "Check out this amazing experience you are going to be able to take part in and play your games on. Then we are going to throw in this amazing quality camera which can be used for games in the future. Plus you can take your Xbox 1 anywhere just like in the past and play some games as long as you have power"

Instead they came out and forced several things on the buyer that is not doing them any favors other than removing potential sales. Why force the kinect on the consumer if their console works or not? Why force a once a day internet connection for the console to work or a buyer to use his system offline to play a game?

These kind of decisions are really baffling from a business stand point driven to make the most money. Sony is clearly winning in this regard and if MS does not change several you can expect Sony to take a large advantage this generation. It has nothing to do with how it affects you or not, principle alone is a large driving factor in business if you follow business practices and what consumers wants.

[mgoblue]

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Mood let me ask you something. Do you feel it is a wise decision on MS part to piss off a big portion of it potential buyers????

Reason I ask this is because from a business stance MS has made some really bad decisions. They didn't come out and say "Check out this amazing experience you are going to be able to take part in and play your games on. Then we are going to throw in this amazing quality camera which can be used for games in the future. Plus you can take your Xbox 1 anywhere just like in the past and play some games as long as you have power"

Instead they came out and forced several things on the buyer that is not doing them any favors other than removing potential sales. Why force the kinect on the consumer if their console works or not? Why force a once a day internet connection for the console to work or a buyer to use his system offline to play a game?

These kind of decisions are really baffling from a business stand point driven to make the most money. Sony is clearly winning in this regard and if MS does not change several you can expect Sony to take a large advantage this generation. It has nothing to do with how it affects you or not, principle alone is a large driving factor in business if you follow business practices and what consumers wants.

They require Kinect because then game devs can assume it's there. If you don't require it then game devs won't assume people have it and therefore not code for it.

Requiring items makes the game devs know for sure what they'll be working with.

That being said it should still be an option to not plug in kinect and deal with not having those inputs...

[jmood88]

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Mood let me ask you something. Do you feel it is a wise decision on MS part to piss off a big portion of it potential buyers????

Reason I ask this is because from a business stance MS has made some really bad decisions. They didn't come out and say "Check out this amazing experience you are going to be able to take part in and play your games on. Then we are going to throw in this amazing quality camera which can be used for games in the future. Plus you can take your Xbox 1 anywhere just like in the past and play some games as long as you have power"

Instead they came out and forced several things on the buyer that is not doing them any favors other than removing potential sales. Why force the kinect on the consumer if their console works or not? Why force a once a day internet connection for the console to work or a buyer to use his system offline to play a game?

These kind of decisions are really baffling from a business stand point driven to make the most money. Sony is clearly winning in this regard and if MS does not change several you can expect Sony to take a large advantage this generation. It has nothing to do with how it affects you or not, principle alone is a large driving factor in business if you follow business practices and what consumers wants.

I'm guessing that they either think that people will forget about it once they start showing games or they feel confident that enough people will the people who are upset will be outnumbered by people who aren't upset. Outside of gaming forums, most of the people I've seen liked what they saw yesterday and the mainstream press was excited about the console. They've also said that several of these things aren't set in stone so I'm expecting them to change some of it by E3, depending on if the neogaf-type crowd yells loud enough to get to Microsoft.

[zanner]

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I'm asking because I want to know who would actually be hurt by this and who is just bringing it up just cause. From what I've seen, it doesn't really seem to be something that actually affects many people who would actually buy a console.

It does, in my hometown and where my mom lives - The internet has went down for up to 3 or 4 days for the whole area

Not to mention the house was built in the 70's and doesn't have the most up to date wiring going on without paying to get the whole upgrade of wiring to enjoy faster speeds which she isn't going to do because it doesn't affect facebook games all that much.

And yes, I lived there years ago and required internet to online game when it would go out for these time periods. And it was frustrating, couldn't imagine not being able to play single player after one day until it came back up.



Even in the house I own that's newer (IN Atlanta), my wife and I had internet go down for 2 days - Still don't know what the issue was, it duplicated a mac address or deleted the mac address from Comcast so the modem couldn't get to register. We had to to wait until one of their techs could work it in his schedule to come to the house and fix the issue.

SO again, just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to others and maybe more that aren't even on this forum. Some areas don't have big city ability as far as high speed, dependable internet goes - and even here I've had problem once.

[ubernoob]

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What PS exclusives are that amazing though? The exclusives are played out on both sides imo.

They may be a bit played out, but there's always been a better variety on the PS side. I expect that to continue this next gen.

God of War, Uncharted, MLB The Show, Gran Turismo (just to counter Forza), Metal Gear Solid (kinda sorta), almost the entire console JRPG genre, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls.

I don't expect all of these franchises to continue to put out some of these series, but the capability for a variety has been proven time and time again. Uncharted was new for PS3, God of War seems to be all but finished so they can move on to something new, GT will always be there, Metal Gear Solid goes back and forth between exclusives but may be running out of steam.

Also, here's a comparison chart released by nVidia about where the graphic processing power lies for each machine - granted this is probably just to sell their GTX Titan.



I find it interesting that when the 360 released, it's graphics were above a top gaming computer at that time.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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How are multiplatform games going to utilize the kinect? Maybe some audio commands? I just don't see a lot of games utilizing the peripheral like MS wants them to.

[mestevo]

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Mood let me ask you something. Do you feel it is a wise decision on MS part to piss off a big portion of it potential buyers????

Reason I ask this is because from a business stance MS has made some really bad decisions. They didn't come out and say "Check out this amazing experience you are going to be able to take part in and play your games on. Then we are going to throw in this amazing quality camera which can be used for games in the future. Plus you can take your Xbox 1 anywhere just like in the past and play some games as long as you have power"

Instead they came out and forced several things on the buyer that is not doing them any favors other than removing potential sales. Why force the kinect on the consumer if their console works or not? Why force a once a day internet connection for the console to work or a buyer to use his system offline to play a game?

These kind of decisions are really baffling from a business stand point driven to make the most money. Sony is clearly winning in this regard and if MS does not change several you can expect Sony to take a large advantage this generation. It has nothing to do with how it affects you or not, principle alone is a large driving factor in business if you follow business practices and what consumers wants.

Eh, it'll all be a wash. They haven't pissed off any buyers because they haven't bought it yet. Sony hasn't pissed off the people raging all over the internet because they haven't released or confirmed many of the similar details about their console. Your points are also contradictory, you don't have features that make a lot of money if you scare away your buyers. I don't think they've done that and it's just the internet being the internet currently.

They told us a story, sold us their vision, some people need to see more before making their purchase, others are able to look past the edge cases and faux outrage over principles and are interested to see the rest of the picture before lighting their hair on fire and getting PS4 tattoos.

[ffaacc03]

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By a comment like this, even if explained from others' viewpoints or circumstances you won't ever see the big deal here.

Personally it wouldn't bother me that much - But I don't see the reasoning why Microsoft would think this is an idea worth pursuing. Because fact is a lot of people either don't have the console hooked up to internet in the room they play, don't care about hooking up to play online, have shoddy internet service that can go out at times for days (mine has done that before) or as some state travel.

It is a big deal I would think to look at all those things before making such a drastic decision.

Agreed, just to add ... think about those that live on 3rd world countries, I live on the caribbean and here we dont have the kind of internet access other developed countries do ... over US$50 for a 2MB connection should tell something, couple that with an unstable service and few protecitve meassures from the goverment to the customers and things dont look pretty at all ...

Now, one could argue that those countries wouldnt be much of a market, but when you sum all, they are (specially given the current fragility of economy, anything counts and is worth), even more when you account that most of the system that get to those countries are bought by family members that live in developed countries that would not support a product that their relates are having trouble with, therefor also reducing the market there ...

Other specific situations come to mind like troops in the foriegn, tornados or storms that cut down the internet or even line failures, MS online service failure, etc, etc ...

Anyways, here is to hope for a variation of such approach, if indeed turns out to be as speculated.

[Leon]

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My last take on this:

You shouldn't cripple a core function of a product. Nobody NEEDS to be online to play a single-player game. You can tell me I'm missing out on certain features if I'm not online, but you shouldn't force me to be online to play this single-player game.

The way the industry is moving forward though, they are just arbitrarily making all these limitations for the sake of $ and DRM.

[ubernoob]

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I'm guessing that they either think that people will forget about it once they start showing games or they feel confident that enough people will the people who are upset will be outnumbered by people who aren't upset. Outside of gaming forums, most of the people I've seen liked what they saw yesterday and the mainstream press was excited about the console. They've also said that several of these things aren't set in stone so I'm expecting them to change some of it by E3, depending on if the neogaf-type crowd yells loud enough to get to Microsoft.

I'm interested in where you've seen the mainstream press be excited? Literally the only good review of the reveal I've read has been on Forbes.

The reveal was pretty much panned by everyone from forums to dedicated gaming websites.

IGN disliked it, Gamespot disliked it, Kotaku hated it and the list goes on.

[jmood88]

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It does, in my hometown and where my mom lives - The internet has went down for up to 3 or 4 days for the whole area

Not to mention the house was built in the 70's and doesn't have the most up to date wiring going on without paying to get the whole upgrade of wiring to enjoy faster speeds which she isn't going to do because it doesn't affect facebook games all that much.

And yes, I lived there years ago and required internet to online game when it would go out for these time periods. And it was frustrating, couldn't imagine not being able to play single player after one day until it came back up.



Even in the house I own that's newer (IN Atlanta), my wife and I had internet go down for 2 days - Still don't know what the issue was, it duplicated a mac address or deleted the mac address from Comcast so the modem couldn't get to register. We had to to wait until one of their techs could work it in his schedule to come to the house and fix the issue.

SO again, just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to others and maybe more that aren't even on this forum. Some areas don't have big city ability as far as high speed, dependable internet goes - and even here I've had problem once.

My point was, there aren't that many people buying new consoles who are going to be and/or aren't the target market moving forward since Microsoft (and Sony) can make more money off the people who are connected to the internet and their marketplaces. I also think that there are people overstating the internet connectivity problem in the US. I've lived in 7 different states in both rural and city areas and haven't had problems with an internet connection that regularly went down. But who knows, maybe I've just been really lucky in all the places I've lived.

Agreed, just to add ... think about those that live on 3rd world countries, I live on the caribbean and here we dont have the kind of internet access other developed countries do ... over US$50 for a 2MB connection should tell something, couple that with an unstable service and few protecitve meassures from the goverment to the customers and things dont look pretty at all ...

Now, one could argue that those countries wouldnt be much of a market, but when you sum all, they are (specially given the current fragility of economy, anything counts and is worth), even more when you account that most of the system that get to those countries are bought by family members that live in developed countries that would not support a product that their relates are having trouble with, therefor also reducing the market there ...

Anyways, here is to hope for a variation of such approach, if indeed turns out to be as speculated.

If someone is in a third world country, they should already know that these consoles aren't made with them in mind. It sucks for gamers in places like that but it's like it's a surprise.

[jmood88]

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I'm interested in where you've seen the mainstream press be excited? Literally the only good review of the reveal I've read has been on Forbes.

The reveal was pretty much panned by everyone from forums to dedicated gaming websites.

IGN disliked it, Gamespot disliked it, Kotaku hated it and the list goes on.

http://kotaku.com/mainstream-media-r...-one-509243303