Xbox One

[87Birdman]

Re: Xbox One

I could see Microsoft going with a free month of game pass included with the Scorpio to attempt to get people to keep the subscription. Plus it would give people a decent library staying out and if all older games with get the 4k treatment than it will be a good move and could help them move consoles.

I'm guessing a $399.99 price because they will probably just go all out to fix the bad image they had.

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[jfsolo]

Re: Xbox One

In my opinion any price point above $500 is going to be a tough, tough sell, especially without a couple of must have exclusives at launch.

[ExtremeGamer]

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$399 would be very aggressive and sold at a loss. But MS wants to be aggressive and could see them doing it. $499 is more likely but this fall will be crazy either way.


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[CaptainZombie]

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I'm throwing out my guess price point of $599.

So I can come back here during E3 when they announce the price and hopefully be wrong.

I'm going with $400 to $450 max. Should be interesting to see what the price will be.


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[daniel77733]

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Not a huge seller like a COD but 16 sold more than 15. It's also gets its bump month 1 where it's always a top 5 NPD game for its first full month. That's just physical and digital really picked up last year.

But not a system seller. No game is a true system seller for me. Needs at least 5 games out or coming out to justify it.

True. It's never ever a single game for me. It's always more than one game at launch for example but in general, I know im getting a load of games throughout the generation so buying any console is always seen as a long term investment for me.

I have already gotten my money's worth out of Xbox One/Xbox One Slim. Thus far, I played and completed Ryse: Son of Rome, Quantum Break, Gears of War 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider when it was a timed exclusive. ROTTR was the first game I played and completed for Xbox One and quite honestly, the console was well worth the purchase just for that game alone. Everything else is just an extra bonus for me.

Every gen, I always have one console as my primary with any other consoles being used only for exclusives. This gen is weird because PS4 has been my primary since day one but that can be changed if the multi-platform games run and look better on Scorpio than they do on Pro which they should.

Scorpio is a long term investment just like every console I buy is. I'm pumped for State of Decay 2 and will hopefully own Forza Horizon 3 as well as it's expansion pass by then so that should be even more awesome than it was on the Xbox One Slim.

Then, add in backwards compatibility for a few games I want to re-play and Xbox Game Pass and I must admit that im excited for it all. It's all going to come down to how well Microsoft executes it all and that starts with the price.

$400 for 1TB and $500 for 2TB and maybe a digital game sounds fair and good to me. And since my prediction is an August release date, im expecting a Middle-Earth: Shadow of War bundle. $500 for 2TB and Shadow of War is a pretty good start when you add in the cost of the game and the additional 1TB hard drive.

[23]

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I'm going with $400 to $450 max. Should be interesting to see what the price will be.


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No console has ever sold at an odd price like 450... only with a price drop/sale.

[Artman22]

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Gotcha

Not realistic to expect every game to run at native 4k anyway.



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I know, but that's what MS is saying so far. They're saying all Xbox one 1080p games will run 4k Native on the Scorpio.


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[Artman22]

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No sports game is a system seller in my opinion. The Show im sure is a great game but sales have decreased for it every year for the last few years so unless digital sales are amazing, im still shocked that Sony still approves and allows Sony San Diego to developing and releasing one every year.

I'm not saying MLB the show is a system seller but I only had a PS3 because of MLB the show and blu ray. Where on earth do you get your facts from as far as MLB sales decreasing every year??? It's been the total opposite. Every year it sells more. I wonder if you ever do any research before posting stuff in these forums.


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I know, but that's what MS is saying so far. They're saying all Xbox one 1080p games will run 4k Native on the Scorpio.


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They also said every game would be 4K 60 uncompromised.... A little word playing going on.

That's what originally set people off and why PC dudes went in on them.... that right there is what's not possible at a cheap price.

[daniel77733]

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I'm not saying MLB the show is a system seller but I only had a PS3 because of MLB the show and blu ray. Where on earth do you get your facts from as far as MLB sales decreasing every year??? It's been the total opposite. Every year it sells more. I wonder if you ever do any research before posting stuff in these forums.

MLB 15 sold an estimated 930K physically while MLB 16 sold an estimated 1.03M physically so the increase was 100K physically. Considering the console is selling an average of 18M a year, a 100K increase isn't exactly an improvement. Of course, this doesn't include digital sales which unless Sony tell you the numbers, you'll never know even though I look at it as being minimal because when a game sells good or better, the publisher can't tell you about fast enough. When they don't, that gives you the answer that you're looking for.

Sales have increased when you look at the game itself every year but when you compare it to the user install base, the ratio and percentage has decreased. Of course, this doesn't include digital sales but if digital sales were any good or impressive, Sony would announce it but never do. They only tell you the top 20 every month which means nothing because you don't know the actual numbers.

You owning a PS3 for basically one game is maybe what 1 in every 1M? So basically with 55M PS4 units sold, that's basically just 55 people out of 55M. And this doesn't take into account those such as myself who have purchased the console multiple times so the ratio is even less.

The ONLY reason MLB The Show is still developed and released every year is that while the profit may be small, it's a big enough profit to allow San Diego to keep making the game every year but in no way, shape or form is it a system seller.

I purchased an Xbox One for ROTTR because I didn't want to wait a year but in no way, shape or form would I consider that to be a system seller.

The system sellers have never been nor will ever be the exclusives. The multi-platform games ARE the system sellers. Not the exclusives. The exclusives is just what everyone likes to say sells the console but yet it's not true because if it was, every exclusive would be in 20M+ range if not higher as opposed to 10M or less.

Now, I will say that for the most part exclusives are the better games than the multi-platform games but when developing for one console compared to three, that's kind of expected and more times than not, guaranteed.

I use VGChartz which I don't believe to be 100% accurate whatsoever but I do believe that it's close enough to use as an estimation. The only way to know the actual numbers is via the publishers themselves. The way I look at it is like this - if the publisher releases a press release for sales, then you know that it's either doing good or exceeding expectations. If the publisher doesn't do this or at the very least, isn't released in their quarterly or yearly statements, then the game isn't doing as well as they hoped or is barely squeaking by to where it's only kept around because the profits is still higher than the cost.

[Tomba]

Re: Xbox One

I don't know I guess the real system seller IS the system


wonder if the controller will change any or if a type of elite controller would be offered with the scorpio?

[Artman22]

Re: Xbox One

MLB 15 sold an estimated 930K physically while MLB 16 sold an estimated 1.03M physically so the increase was 100K physically. Considering the console is selling an average of 18M a year, a 100K increase isn't exactly an improvement. Of course, this doesn't include digital sales which unless Sony tell you the numbers, you'll never know even though I look at it as being minimal because when a game sells good or better, the publisher can't tell you about fast enough. When they don't, that gives you the answer that you're looking for.



Sales have increased when you look at the game itself every year but when you compare it to the user install base, the ratio and percentage has decreased. Of course, this doesn't include digital sales but if digital sales were any good or impressive, Sony would announce it but never do. They only tell you the top 20 every month which means nothing because you don't know the actual numbers.



You owning a PS3 for basically one game is maybe what 1 in every 1M? So basically with 55M PS4 units sold, that's basically just 55 people out of 55M. And this doesn't take into account those such as myself who have purchased the console multiple times so the ratio is even less.



The ONLY reason MLB The Show is still developed and released every year is that while the profit may be small, it's a big enough profit to allow San Diego to keep making the game every year but in no way, shape or form is it a system seller.



I purchased an Xbox One for ROTTR because I didn't want to wait a year but in no way, shape or form would I consider that to be a system seller.



The system sellers have never been nor will ever be the exclusives. The multi-platform games ARE the system sellers. Not the exclusives. The exclusives is just what everyone likes to say sells the console but yet it's not true because if it was, every exclusive would be in 20M+ range if not higher as opposed to 10M or less.



Now, I will say that for the most part exclusives are the better games than the multi-platform games but when developing for one console compared to three, that's kind of expected and more times than not, guaranteed.



I use VGChartz which I don't believe to be 100% accurate whatsoever but I do believe that it's close enough to use as an estimation. The only way to know the actual numbers is via the publishers themselves. The way I look at it is like this - if the publisher releases a press release for sales, then you know that it's either doing good or exceeding expectations. If the publisher doesn't do this or at the very least, isn't released in their quarterly or yearly statements, then the game isn't doing as well as they hoped or is barely squeaking by to where it's only kept around because the profits is still higher than the cost.

My point is you were wrong on saying it's been selling less. Even if it sells 1 more copy a year it's not selling less. Every year digital sales go up more as well. There's a reason why gamestop is closing over 100 stores. Digital sales we can't track and more people have gone digital including myself and many others I personally know. So you're spreading false information. You do this very frequently on this site.


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[daniel77733]

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My point is you were wrong on saying it's been selling less. Even if it sells 1 more copy a year it's not selling less. Every year digital sales go up more as well. There's a reason why gamestop is closing over 100 stores. Digital sales we can't track and more people have gone digital including myself and many others I personally know. So you're spreading false information. You do this very frequently on this site.

I was wrong in regards to total sales but ratio and percentage wise, im right. Sales ratio and percentages tell a more important story than the numbers themselves. Digital sales ARE tracked by all the respective publishers. They just don't tell you what they are because they don't want you to know because the consumer knowing hurts them.

GameStop is closing stores because 1) they continuously rip off their consumers/customer base, 2) their promotions outside of console trade ins suck and are worse than the competition and 3) their competition, mainly Amazon and Best Buy have Prime and GCU respectively which blow away PUR in every way, shape and form. That's why GameStop is closing their stores.

With that said, im not a fan of GameStop but I don't want them going out of business because if they eventually do, the current competition of Best Buy's GCU and Amazon's Prime will only decrease their own benefits because their competition would be less. GameStop was dominant years ago which forced Best Buy and Amazon to severely up their game which they have done but GameStop hasn't answered that so things are starting to fall apart for them.

I love GCU but Best Buy eliminated it being used on Black Friday. GameStop ever goes out of business, I wouldn't be surprised to see GCU benefits decrease and I sure as hell don't want that to happen.

As for me spreading false information, I thought that MLB sold less, I realized that I mis-read it, I was wrong and admitted I was wrong in regards to actual sales but the ratio, im still right and you can figure that percentage out yourself if you want to. As for any other misinformation, like what? Majority of what I post is either my own personal opinion or predictions.

[mestevo]

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Sure doesn't sound like the next Forza on Scorpio is going to be held back by the original Xbox. A lot more detail on the Forza demo and development/debug experience:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-forza-motorsport-on-project-scorpio-the-full-story

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[daniel77733]

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Sure doesn't sound like the next Forza on Scorpio is going to be held back by the original Xbox. A lot more detail on the Forza demo and development/debug experience:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...the-full-story

Here's the video of that article from DF...can't wait to see what they do with FH3 and 2018's FH4.

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