PlayStation 4 Discussion

[ubernoob]

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It really isn't that big of an upgrade on either side. That's silly.

[Artman22]

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Nice. They really need to improve the app because it sucks on Xbox.


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I agree. I barely use it on the xbox because it's so sluggish and I don't like the layout. I prefer it a lot more on the ps4..

[dubcity]

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It really isn't that big of an upgrade on either side. That's silly.

If they end up costing < $200 more than the base systems sell for, then I'll agree.

[ubernoob]

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Hmm I think they're probably "worth" about $200-300 more.

I just see people getting their hopes up about what these systems will actually be able to do without looking at the reality of things.

[dubcity]

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Hmm I think they're probably "worth" about $200-300 more.

I just see people getting their hopes up about what these systems will actually be able to do without looking at the reality of things.

Pretty much what Sony and Microsoft are banking on. And they'll be giving all the top YouTube gamer channels free systems, just to make people feel like they're missing out if they don't have one. Meh.

[daniel77733]

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Also from what I have heard NEO is only going to be a 2 times more powerful than ps4. Scorpio on the other hand is going to be 4 times has powerful has xboxone. So really from the sound of things sounds like Scorpio is almost like a new gen where NEO may be a much smaller upgrade.

But remember that Xbox One is less powerful than what PlayStation 4 is so the difference is bigger between Xbox One/Scorpio compared to PlayStation 4/Neo. Microsoft has always had the more powerful console but with Xbox One, they didn't. Scorpio is their way of having a do-over but in the same generation.

So I was just thinking about something when it comes to the ps2 and ps3 sales. Ps2 out sold xbox like 6-1 and if you combined xbox and gamecube like 3.33 to 1 that is nuts! Even though ps4 is sailing great it is only out sailing xboxone like 2-1 lol.

There's a few differences though. First, the original Xbox was released over a year after PlayStation 2. Second, Microsoft were the new kids on the block and weren't established and just like now, there's a lot of people who dislike Microsoft. Third, Sony had already established themselves with the original PlayStation which blew away Nintendo 64 and Sega Saturn. It wasn't the most powerful but it was the best console of the three. Fourth, for Sony to enter the gaming industry and being dumped by Nintendo and surpass Nintendo and Sega in one generation also added to their reputation and the quality of the console.

Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are 1-1 now or extremely close. If anything, it's 51%-49% either way. PlayStation 4 sales have slowed down since the rumors of Neo being leaked got out there. Xbox One has been good but slower than expected considering that at times, it's like Microsoft is just giving away their console. The Xbox One slim will definitely boost sales and I have Microsoft winning August in console sales. If they don't, that's bad.

As someone who owns both, Xbox One is a good console but Microsoft screwed themselves over three years ago. Too many mistakes. Even if you eliminate their decisions and reversals, they were still going to be lagging behind for three reasons - first, Xbox One was $100 more expensive than PlayStation 4, second, Xbox One was packed in with Kinect which majority of people didn't want at all and to be forced having to pay an extra $100 for it is absurd and third, PlayStation 4 was and still is seen as the more powerful console.

Basically, if Microsoft didn't screw up three years ago, made Kinect optional and launched Xbox One at $400, the consoles would be 52%-48% either way. It would be extremely close. Not going to include Nintendo because Wii U was basically dead once PS4/Xbox One were released. And think of this, PlayStation 4 is outselling Xbox One and Wii U combined. Granted, that's probably not saying much but to outsell both of your competitors is impressive. Even more impressive is that Sony has done this three out of four generations which is history making and unlikely to ever be matched again.

You can count it but is like saying you got into a fight with a guy and his brother jumped in and they whooped you...Is it a fair fight because they are related to one another?

PS2 did not have the chance to release an update to their model which would have sold tons more if we go by that logic based on how popular PS was in those days.

Scorpio is not even in the same planet as XB1 vanilla.. That is a whole new generation regardless of what MS tells you. If you go by that then the console generation is over because MS plans to have all hardware tied to UWP

Scorpio will be a new console and those sales should not be added to base xb1. Because is a totally new machine

Neo not as drastic but is still a big upgrade not only in performance but it has additional hardware not found in vanilla ps4.

Okay, so because you have purchased PS4 and/or Xbox One more than once, does that only count as one console sale? I have purchased PS4 three times and Xbox One twice. That counts as three and two sales respectively.

I don't see Neo/Scorpio as any different. Are you not going to count the Xbox One slim? Outside of the consoles being stronger, they're still the same at their core. It's not like you're going to see games come out that say NEO/Scorpio on them. They will still say PS4/Xbox One.

Scorpio will be more powerful and whatnot but I don't see the console lasting more than three years. Microsoft will still move forward with Xbox 4. Scorpio is meant rejuvenate the Xbox One console (as is the slim) as a whole. It's also meant to experiment with 4K and whatever else they plan on doing.

Besides, chances are that the base PS4 and base Xbox One will be at most, half as much as Neo and Scorpio. Because of that, why wouldn't Neo/Scorpio count when consumers would be spending more money on those consoles instead of spending less on the base consoles?

Not only that but what happens if the base Xbox One and base PS4 eventually get discontinued? Then what? Say in two years, it's only Neo that's available? You're not going to add sales because the base no longer exists?

To me, it's all the same crap. Same generation, same games. Only difference is that instead of 900P/30FPS on Xbox One, you'll get 1080P/60FPS on Scorpio or whatever.

You can keep track of the sales separately which im sure will be done but it's all in the same ecosystem for both Sony and Microsoft. They don't give two craps which one you buy as long as you buy one of them in their respective ecosystem. Not only that, but say for example, Scorpio gives Microsoft a huge boost in console sales, they won't be saying Scorpio, they will still be saying Xbox One because that's the brand. That's the ecosystem.

Neither Sony or Microsoft is going to just throw that away. Obviously, you can keep track of it all the way you want. I'm adding them all together and since im expecting Sony and Microsoft to do the same thing, I'll just go with the flow.

[kwebbvols4423]

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I don't come here to read novels Daniel [emoji6]


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[DickDalewood]

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Good Lord Daniel... trim the fat on your posts man. Once that **** hits two paragraphs, I just keep on scrolling

[Smallville102001]

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But remember that Xbox One is less powerful than what PlayStation 4 is so the difference is bigger between Xbox One/Scorpio compared to PlayStation 4/Neo. Microsoft has always had the more powerful console but with Xbox One, they didn't. Scorpio is their way of having a do-over but in the same generation.



There's a few differences though. First, the original Xbox was released over a year after PlayStation 2. Second, Microsoft were the new kids on the block and weren't established and just like now, there's a lot of people who dislike Microsoft. Third, Sony had already established themselves with the original PlayStation which blew away Nintendo 64 and Sega Saturn. It wasn't the most powerful but it was the best console of the three. Fourth, for Sony to enter the gaming industry and being dumped by Nintendo and surpass Nintendo and Sega in one generation also added to their reputation and the quality of the console.

Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are 1-1 now or extremely close. If anything, it's 51%-49% either way. PlayStation 4 sales have slowed down since the rumors of Neo being leaked got out there. Xbox One has been good but slower than expected considering that at times, it's like Microsoft is just giving away their console. The Xbox One slim will definitely boost sales and I have Microsoft winning August in console sales. If they don't, that's bad.

As someone who owns both, Xbox One is a good console but Microsoft screwed themselves over three years ago. Too many mistakes. Even if you eliminate their decisions and reversals, they were still going to be lagging behind for three reasons - first, Xbox One was $100 more expensive than PlayStation 4, second, Xbox One was packed in with Kinect which majority of people didn't want at all and to be forced having to pay an extra $100 for it is absurd and third, PlayStation 4 was and still is seen as the more powerful console.

Basically, if Microsoft didn't screw up three years ago, made Kinect optional and launched Xbox One at $400, the consoles would be 52%-48% either way. It would be extremely close. Not going to include Nintendo because Wii U was basically dead once PS4/Xbox One were released. And think of this, PlayStation 4 is outselling Xbox One and Wii U combined. Granted, that's probably not saying much but to outsell both of your competitors is impressive. Even more impressive is that Sony has done this three out of four generations which is history making and unlikely to ever be matched again.



Okay, so because you have purchased PS4 and/or Xbox One more than once, does that only count as one console sale? I have purchased PS4 three times and Xbox One twice. That counts as three and two sales respectively.

I don't see Neo/Scorpio as any different. Are you not going to count the Xbox One slim? Outside of the consoles being stronger, they're still the same at their core. It's not like you're going to see games come out that say NEO/Scorpio on them. They will still say PS4/Xbox One.

Scorpio will be more powerful and whatnot but I don't see the console lasting more than three years. Microsoft will still move forward with Xbox 4. Scorpio is meant rejuvenate the Xbox One console (as is the slim) as a whole. It's also meant to experiment with 4K and whatever else they plan on doing.

Besides, chances are that the base PS4 and base Xbox One will be at most, half as much as Neo and Scorpio. Because of that, why wouldn't Neo/Scorpio count when consumers would be spending more money on those consoles instead of spending less on the base consoles?

Not only that but what happens if the base Xbox One and base PS4 eventually get discontinued? Then what? Say in two years, it's only Neo that's available? You're not going to add sales because the base no longer exists?

To me, it's all the same crap. Same generation, same games. Only difference is that instead of 900P/30FPS on Xbox One, you'll get 1080P/60FPS on Scorpio or whatever.

You can keep track of the sales separately which im sure will be done but it's all in the same ecosystem for both Sony and Microsoft. They don't give two craps which one you buy as long as you buy one of them in their respective ecosystem. Not only that, but say for example, Scorpio gives Microsoft a huge boost in console sales, they won't be saying Scorpio, they will still be saying Xbox One because that's the brand. That's the ecosystem.

Neither Sony or Microsoft is going to just throw that away. Obviously, you can keep track of it all the way you want. I'm adding them all together and since im expecting Sony and Microsoft to do the same thing, I'll just go with the flow.

Well I know there where a lot of reason that ps2 sold so amazing but still crazy that it would sold both xbox and gamecube by so much. Also I think ps2 being able to play dvd was a big reason why it sold so much to. No matter the reason though I don't think we are ever going to see a console out sale another console like 6-1 ever again. When it comes to the power of xbox vs ps2 I find it funny to hear that xbox had more power because I had never heard that in till like a year or 2 ago. I always thought ps2, xbox and gamecube had the same power because there are not any games out there on the 3 systems that really make it so you would think one is more powerful than the other ones. Graphics on ps2, gamecube and xbox looked the same so it is hard to even tell that ps2 was less powerful than xbox. So the power difference must have been very very small back then.


Yes Microsoft made a lot of mistakes with xboxone even though a lot of those things have been fixed. They where 100 more then ps4 even though they where less powerful. The whole having to be on the internet to play games thing even if that never happened it still left a bad first impression on people. With that said though I don't buy that Microsoft could be neck and neck with ps4 if they didn't make mistakes to start this gen. Sony has always been known for making better excusive games. Both xbox and xbox360 had major hardware issues that I am sure turned people away going into xboxone. I was suspecting xboxone to have big hard ware issues because of how xbox and xbox360 did. I have been shocked that xboxone hasn't had big hard ware issues.


If xbox couldn't even out sale ps3 over all with all the mistakes Sony made last gen then Microsoft was never going to have a changes to really compete with Sony. Last gen convinced me that the only way Microsoft had a changes was if Sony messed up a lot. A lot of mistakes Microsoft made to start this gen is kind of like how last gen was for Sony only when sony made those mistakes with ps3 they still ended up slightly out sailing xboxone by the end where with Microsoft doing that they are getting out sold 2-1 and the amount is getting bigger and bigger lol. Last gen ps3 cost like 100-200 more then xbox360 did. It also came out a year after xbox360 did. So not Only was ps3 more expensive but it came out a year later which meant that xbox could also do a price cut before sony really could.Multiplatform games sucked on ps3 for about the first 2 years has it was hard to make games for the ps3. Yet even with all of that ps3 still ended up passing xbox360 in sales. Now if Microsoft couldn't out sale ps3 with a year head start and a cheaper system and the issue of ps3 being hard to make games for then how where they ever going to out sale Sony when they didn't have a year head start? Or a cheaper console? Or the issue of it being hard to make games for Sony's system? They had zero change that is what I believe.


Now that doesn't mean that xbox system don't sale though. Xbox360 sold around 86 million which is a solid number. Xboxone may sale even more then that counting the Scorpio that is. Its just Sony's consoles have sold like crazy. 2 Sony consoles have sold 100 million +. Ps4 is likely going to be the 3erd to do it and the other one which was ps3 sold around 87 million which is still a solid number. Sony just has dominated the console sales and Nintendo the hand held. Where Microsoft console are kind of in the middle and Nintendo's console out side of wii are kind of the low consoles in sales. Yeah Microsoft sales may go up with the slim but it is hard to say because some people may just want in till the Scorpio comes out to get a xbox and we don't know about the NEO yet and depending on how much it cost and its power the NEO may also boost Sony sales and may take away some from Microsoft sales. I think there are a lot of people that are wanting to get a ps4 because they want to know about NEO. I think a lot of people want to see how much more is a NEO going to cost compared to a standard ps4 and just how much more powerful is it going to be and is it going to have a bigger hard drive.


If I didn't have a ps4 already I wouldn't get one now and would be wanting to see about the NEO because it NEO is say only 100 more then ps4 and also has a bigger hard drive and is a good amount more powerful then it would maybe just be better to get a NEO and spend a little more then just getting a normal ps4 plus once the NEO comes out it is likely that the normal ps4 is going to get a price cut any way. When it comes to NEO and Scorpio and say a ps5 and xbox 4 or what ever they are called I am really not sure how this is going to go. We have never had updated hardware power wise on console before only like smaller versions or systems. Last gen last about 2 years longer then normal and there was a lot of complaining about it. So I thought we would be back to the normal 5-6 years meaning a ps5 and xbox 4 or what ever at the end of 2018-2019. But now that Scorpio is coming out at the end of 2017 I am not sure That would then mean only 1-2 years before xbox 4 or what ever. I don't think people are going to want to pay that much for a new system again when it was only a year or 2 before that when Scorpio came out. I am sure a lot of people are already pissed off that xboxone was 500 and now not even at 3 years it is already down to 250. I know that systems get price cuts and that you tend to pay more if you get a system day 1 rather than wanting but to go down by 50% in has short of time is crazy.


When xboxone got down to 350 I didn't think it would drop any more for a long time because I just didn't think they could afford to drop it again for a long time. The thin about the Scorpio to is that it is 4 times has powerful has xboxone so that already kind of sounds like a new gen power wise. Wasn't ps4 like 5 times the power of ps3? So that makes me think that something like the Scorpio and NEO may be a way to make this gen be a little bit longer with out being completely stuck with the same power before a new gen starts.

[Boltman]

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Don't really see the problem but im sorry for being an annoyance. I'll stop speculating.

I have Microsoft winning August in console sales. If they don't, that's bad.

Scorpio will be more powerful and whatnot but I don't see the console lasting more than three years.

Besides, chances are that the base PS4 and base Xbox One will be at most, half as much as Neo and Scorpio.

Not only that but what happens if the base Xbox One and base PS4 eventually get discontinued? Then what? Say in two years, it's only Neo that's available?

You shouldn't post it if you really didn't mean it daniel.

[The JareBear]

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Hey so the X button on my glacier white controller is sticking. Is there an easy fix for that? Do I gotta open it up and clean something? Thanks for any input

[DickDalewood]

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Hey so the X button on my glacier white controller is sticking. Is there an easy fix for that? Do I gotta open it up and clean something? Thanks for any input

You might have just gotten some type of liquid food substance down there (juice, milk, soda, etc.). One thing I've done in the past that has helped is to just wet a Q-tip and press it all around the edges of the button. Then press the button a bunch of times to "clean" whatever was in there. That little bit of water won't damage anything and 9/10 times fixes the problem.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Wish we could hear more about the psneo. I saw a blu Ray 4K player for almost 400 bucks ! These consoles will be the cheapest 4K blu Ray players on the market lol. Reminds me of last gen.

[H8ter2]

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Wish we could hear more about the psneo. I saw a blu Ray 4K player for almost 400 bucks ! These consoles will be the cheapest 4K blu Ray players on the market lol. Reminds me of last gen.

Yea if I'm not mistaken that's what PS3 was like when it first came out too by far the cheapest blu- ray player out there. I think in that aspect though overall it will have less impact as and I don't have numbers to back It up but I doubt nearly as many people will ever buy 4K discs as did blu-rays as everything is going digital via iTunes and Amazon etc, just my thought


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[mestevo]

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We haven't bought physical movies in a couple years, but are making a list of the 4k movies we're going to buy once r have picked up the One S and a 4k TV.

We have a great connection, but unless I pirate I'm not going to get the same quality as a disc from a streaming service.


We'll never have a collection like we did of DVDs or to a lesser extent BDs, but certainly reason for early adopters to pick up the discs.
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