Re: Google Streaming / Console

[mestevo]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

I see some continue to think innovation is for the lowest common denominator.

[dickey1331]

Google Streaming / Console

Or they are thinking people will just pay $50 extra for unlimited internet. Where I am at, there are no data caps.

So you think people are going to pay $50 a month extra for unlimited internet plus $10 a month to access this service plus $60 for games? I doubt it.


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[mestevo]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

So you think people are going to pay $50 a month extra for unlimited internet plus $10 a month to access this service plus $60 for games? I doubt it.


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Not only for this service, no. And you get a library of games to play as part of your subscription, or don't pay a subscription and can buy new games, etc. A number of options here.

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[dickey1331]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

Not only for this service, no. And you get a library of games to play as part of your subscription, or don't pay a subscription and can buy new games, etc. A number of options here.

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If this was Microsoft’s service then I might buy that but googles library of games and what they are offering aren’t going to come close to Microsoft’s.


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[mestevo]

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If this was Microsoft’s service then I might buy that but googles library of games and what they are offering aren’t going to come close to Microsoft’s.


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Of course they aren't, Google's will mostly be modern offerings for the most part, while everything playable on an Xbox One will be available on xCloud. How these services differ at all remains to be seen.

[DocHolliday]

Re: Stadia / Streaming

Super interested to see how this all plays out. This is the first real mainstream push for this streaming service. Could be huge.


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[peter42O]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

Watched their E3 Stadia Connect and nothing about it interests me let alone impresses me. As everyone here knows, im not into streaming nor am I the biggest Microsoft/Xbox fan but I am way more confident in XCloud without really knowing much about it than I am in Stadia. Of course, who knows, this could end up being as much like Switch has been or like 3DO was back in the day. Have to wait and see how it all plays out.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that while watching the video on youtube two or so hours ago, the video literally buffered three times. At first, I thought that it was just me but nope, apparently, a lot of people said the same thing. But again, will have to see how it all plays out.

[CMH]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

I'm definitely wavering a bit after reading the release. I'm holding onto my pre-order for now but I need more info.


There is still no clear indication what games will be available in the Pro service. Right now, only Destiny 2 is confirmed and rumors are that game is going F2P so that's not exactly a deal for anyone.


You could make the argument that you're paying $129 so you can have a $60 controller, $70 Chromecast Ultra and then everything else is free like the 3-months and Destiny 2.


But, I'm also reading that you can use any controller you have. So what's the point of the $60 controller? I guess you can stream with it to youtube but I'm 37-years-old with few real-life serious gamer friends. No one is watching my streams and it's much too late for me to think I have a chance at starting a career being a streamer.


The Chromecast Ultra is neat, I guess. But, that means I'm gaming on my television. The point of my laptop and desktop is so I can game away from the television that my wife uses most of the evening while I game in peace on my desk.


And, though Google said Stadia will be available on several devices at launch, I'm reading from several sources that launch is "launch window" which translates to when the free service becomes available sometime in 2020. Meaning, you can only game on Stadia using the Chromecast on your television. That's a major drawback for me.


The appeal of being one of the first to use Stadia, having the opportunity to pick my Stadia name first (more on this in a bit), having Destiny 2 which is an online co-op game first and something I don't really care to be a part of after I found the solo-experience rather dull, and grabbing a limited edition blue controller is kind of lacking. None of those things seriously matter to me.


I think I rather wait to hear how it's going for people. See what games are available on the Pro service. If I like what I'm hearing and seeing, I'll either jump on the paid service when it's available to those that didn't pre-order, or just go the free route if there are exclusive games I want to play on it. At least then it's just the one-time fee of whatever game I want to play on Stadia.


Back to picking the Stadia name first. This is awkward to me. I feel like Stadia is marketed to older gamers because they are the ones with the disposable income to pay $10/month to game, they are the ones that will care about their internet speed (and pay for any necessary bumps to game without issue), and they are the ones with some brand loyalty to Google. Kids just want to play Fortnite or whatever co-op game is available on their mobile phone, iPad, or console.



So if that's true, why does Google think that older gamers give two craps about picking their Stadia name first? More than likely, no one else is picking whatever unique name you've thought of and the only people that might have a real issue are the kids choosing names like "YourMom" or "TonytheGamer"


I need to hear more. I think it's a great venture and I am excited for what Google could potentially do for the future of gaming. It's serious enough to get Microsoft and Sony to work together on their streaming services. But at the moment, I pre-ordered based on that potential. I'm very open to cancel that pre-order over the next three months if I don't get enough info to convince me it's worth paying $10 / month not including the $130 I'm paying for a limited edition controller I don't necessarily need and a Chromecast that serves no purpose for me.

[mestevo]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

Destiny going F2P isn't a rumor, it is official today. If you were a new player it'd cost you over $100 to get all of the content (Forsaken, the new expansion, new season pass) included in the pro (paid) Stadia subscription. Stadia isn't out until after the new expansion, so most who play will already own it.

The key w/ the controller as I understand it is that it's bluetooth, many console controllers aren't. Otherwise, yeah, that's part of their appeal is you can use whatever you have, as long as you can connect it to the compatible device.

As to compatible devices, haven't seen anything about a slowed roll out of them other than the initial compatibility w/ Pixel phones in particular. No specifics were offered about tablets (almost certainly just a certain Android version and certain amount of RAM, excluding budget tablets) and most/all PCs and Laptops should be fine, Chromebooks as well.

No reason not to wait if you have any doubt. We can use the Chromecast if it doesn't work out, it will replace the v1 (very first version!) Chromecast I've got in the office, one of 4 Chromecasts and 4 other Google displays in our house.

xCloud may have the better value proposition for many, depending on your investment in that ecosystem.

What we really need is cross-buy on these services, even if that required me to be an EA/Origin subscriber to enable it, bring it on. Please.

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Re: Google Streaming / Console

Or they are thinking people will just pay $50 extra for unlimited internet. Where I am at, there are no data caps.

Thats my situation but I understand that's not everyone's.

Who is their actual audience, because we've seen similar services like Ouya and OnLive.

Then if Microsoft offers a better service, they have more questions to answer.

I like the idea on some ends and not so much on others.

[CMH]

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Destiny going F2P isn't a rumor, it is official today. If you were a new player it'd cost you over $100 to get all of the content (Forsaken, the new expansion, new season pass) included in the pro (paid) Stadia subscription. Stadia isn't out until after the new expansion, so most who play will already own it.

The key w/ the controller as I understand it is that it's bluetooth, many console controllers aren't. Otherwise, yeah, that's part of their appeal is you can use whatever you have, as long as you can connect it to the compatible device.

As to compatible devices, haven't seen anything about a slowed roll out of them other than the initial compatibility w/ Pixel phones in particular. No specifics were offered about tablets (almost certainly just a certain Android version and certain amount of RAM, excluding budget tablets) and most/all PCs and Laptops should be fine, Chromebooks as well.

No reason not to wait if you have any doubt. We can use the Chromecast if it doesn't work out, it will replace the v1 (very first version!) Chromecast I've got in the office, one of 4 Chromecasts and 4 other Google displays in our house.

xCloud may have the better value proposition for many, depending on your investment in that ecosystem.

What we really need is cross-buy on these services, even if that required me to be an EA/Origin subscriber to enable it, bring it on. Please.

You're right, I completely forgot about the expansion packs which is definitely added value. That's actually really cool.


I also didn't realize the controller was bluetooth which is also a really cool thing though my PS4 controller is as well as that's what I used during the Project Stream run playing AC Odyssey. That said, I'm not against a controller designed specifically for a system. I'm sure Google has other ideas with their controller that will make it superior for playing streamed games.


I'm definitely not canceling right now. Way too early and at least I'm in and can jump out if it ends up being a disaster for some reason before release. I mostly want to hear what games are going to end up part of Pro and what discounts are available. Having the option to go from my laptop to my television (if that opportunity presents itself) is still great to me.


I personally don't think what Microsoft does with xCloud will change what I do with Stadia. It all depends on the games available.

[CMH]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

Google seems to think the ISPs will remove data caps because they are goggle. We will see what happens.


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I honestly don't know anything about these things but here's my thought.


With Google Fi, I pretty much don't get charged for using anything above 6 GB a month until I reach 15 and only then Google slows down the speed, they don't charge more.


With 5G, Google likely improving infrastructure in the near future, what's to stop Google from giving gamers that opportunity to get a Google Fi Gaming package that promises at least 10 gb of speed (this way you have access to their 720p, minimum speeds to play Stadia games) and at an affordable price that might make some gamers not worry about data caps from their ISP?


I know that's easier said than done, but is that not somewhat possible?

[AUChase]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

There's no cap on Spectrum, but if the only place I can play this and get fast enough service to stream/play in 4K is my home then why do I need this?

It seems like a good product for people who travel and stay in hotels a lot, but most hotel wifi is crap too. I guess I'm just not seeing the value for me.

It seems cool, but relying on a network connection to even play would suck and AT&T, Verizon, etc. aren't cheap to use for mobile internet/hot spot.

There are just too many questions for me to buy this thing when I have a PS4 and PC that can do what I need and more at home.

[ODogg]

Re: Google Streaming / Console

This system appears geared towards travelers and/or people who cannot afford to get a premium Xbox or PS4. But as AUChase said, for those who travel, how you going to get that fast internet in a hotel to play??

Will it work? My gut tells me it'll fail.

But then if anyone can make it work it is likely Google so I'm interested in seeing how it pans out.

[CMH]

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I don't think it's geared toward travelers.


It's geared toward people who don't have the money or desire to purchase a gaming PC or want to continue buying the new, upgraded gaming console that's released every two years.


Stadia is telling those people don't worry about it. Just buy the games you want and we have the rest covered.


Obviously, the biggest concern is lag, data caps, anything network related. But if you don't have that problem - I personally had none of those problems while playing in Project Stream - then the rest is very enticing.


Take me for example: I'm tired of buying the new console every couple years. Because now it's not just a new generation console every 5-8 years. It's also the new version of the console with upgraded features. So if you want the best performance, you have to keep paying for that. Stadia lets me bypass the next generation console. So long as I'm okay losing out on exclusives. But I apparently am because...



I bought a new PC so I could game on it. Right now, I don't need to worry about performance on the thing. Stadia is mostly a luxury for me since I have a PC that can play the latest PC games without issue. But what happens in a few years when my machine falls behind and the latest, coolest games demand a better processor, more RAM, a better video card, whatever? I have to pay for those upgrades. Or Stadia will handle that for me. Just open my chrome browser and play the latest, greatest game at the highest quality. It may not be what I "need" right now, but I'm sure there are plenty of people on the cusp of needing to upgrade their machine and instead deciding that $10/month makes more sense.



Again, so long as you don't have network issues. That's the major hurdle.