New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

[illwill10]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

Exclusives obviously matter but not until a few years into the generation as you rarely get masterpieces at launch and the few times that happened, one was Halo, one was Mario 64 and the last was BOTW.

Sony always starts out weak while Microsoft starts out strong but end in the opposite direction as how they started.

PS4 was at 40m or so before Uncharted 4 was released in May 2016. So basically for 2 1/2 years, exclusives were sorely lacking and people still bought the console for all the multi-platform games plus im sure GTA 5 helped sell a crap ton.

For me, PS3 was literally for 5 exclusives, same as Xbox One. PS4 will finish at around 20. I'm expecting Microsoft to give me 10+ exclusives in what will probably be a 6-8 year console generation. I do see PS5 exclusives decreasing for me outside of the sequels we'll all expecting simply because I do see Sony's internal studios developing a few more online multi-player focused titles, possibly in first person which are of no interest to me.

At the end of the day, exclusives and games matter but like majority of gamers, the vast majority of games I play are multi-platform and come next gen, I want the best of power and performance. That's simply going to be Series X. I want the best frame rates, Native 4K, full RGB HDR and most of all, Ray Tracing to be the best it can be.

The PS5 SSD is going to be ultra fast while the XSX will be super fast. Both will be massive improvements over the current generation not just in that aspect but overall.

Both will be amazing and as always, I will own both but day one is all about XSX because for the first two years or so, it's going to be all about the multi-platform games and whether it's Cyberpunk 2077, AC Ragnarok, WD Legion, Outriders or whatever else, I simply want to be playing the best possible version of those games.

I can understand that. Power is a huge factor. The ability to play games at native 4k60 and path Ray Tracing, is a huge selling point. Then if Xbox takes exclusives seriously, by year 3 those Series X exclusives will be next level graphics. Then add in Smart delivery, Gamepass, BC with all generations with some enhanced BC games, Series X definitely looks like a great option

But for me, I always preferred Sony. It's just what I gotten since I was young. I'm not a hardcore enough gamer to buy both consoles. I'm more of a casual gamer when it comes to how much I play. I haven't played a game in 3 months since I sold my PS4 and won't play until PS5 comes out.

I do believe this generation will be close like PS3/360. I believe Sony will still outsell Xbox still, but Xbox has done enough to close the gap. I don't think it'll be a 2:1 advantage like gen. Main initial thing will be price. Sony has used cost saving methods but still yields a lot of power. I can see them going for the $450-500 mark, still don't think $400 is likely. I think the magic is for Xbox will be $500. I think $600 is steep for the casual gamer. Even if they have to take a loss, they will make up for it with their services. Gamepass is a huge selling point. Not only do get a huge library of BC titles and some enhanced, having Series X exclusives available at their launch is a selling point. The idea of just having to buy a Series X, Xbox Live, and Gamepass initially and you be good for a while is a huge selling point. You would just need to buy the 3rd party games as they come.

[peter42O]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

I can understand that. Power is a huge factor. The ability to play games at native 4k60 and path Ray Tracing, is a huge selling point. Then if Xbox takes exclusives seriously, by year 3 those Series X exclusives will be next level graphics. Then add in Smart delivery, Gamepass, BC with all generations with some enhanced BC games, Series X definitely looks like a great option

Even a cross-gen exclusive like Halo Infinite is going to look amazing because the XSX version will have features and effects that Xbox One simply won't have. Game Pass is excellent. I can tryout Halo Infinite for a $10 rental and see if I end up liking it as I have never played a Halo game before. The BC on both sides won't mean anything to me in general but XSX being able to automatically add HDR is insane.

Ray Tracing is my number one interest for next gen in regards to visuals followed by RGB HDR and Native 4K resolution. XSX is around 45% more powerful when it comes to Ray Tracing as they have plenty of options where as PS5 simply doesn't and they barely talked about it.

My main issue with PS5 is that Sony seems to be going all in on what I see as the second coming of the Cell processor. Sure, first parties will be amazing but they already are so if anything, they should be making it easier for developers, not harder. Having variable speeds for the CPU and GPU literally compromises the other based on if the developer goes CPU heavy or GPU heavy. Their BC is also a joke and I believe that the ultra fast speed of the SSD is going to cause them more issues than not because now, they have to re-calibrate every single PS4 game to run on PS5 effectively. To me, that's just unnecessary work.

With the x86 architecture, PS5 being BC with PS4 games should have been easy and simply. Instead, they made it difficult. Plus, reading their blogpost after the Cerny presentation was hilarious because they said "we believe" that thousands of PS4 games will work. So if it doesn't, they already have an excuse ready.

PlayStation 5 exclusives will be superb for the most part but we all already know this. Sony decided to make their console more friendly for their internal studios as opposed to third parties and that makes no sense to me simply because developing on a single platform (plus eventually PC) is a lot easier than multi-platform and at the end of the day, Sony's internal studios don't need any help whatsoever. But the third parties definitely do.

I'm simply disappointed that they decided to go the route they're going instead of just keeping things simple, basic and giving me the best for $500. Instead, they seem hellbent on hitting $400 but will charge another $400 three years later with PS5 Pro which is why im waiting.

But for me, I always preferred Sony. It's just what I gotten since I was young. I'm not a hardcore enough gamer to buy both consoles. I'm more of a casual gamer when it comes to how much I play. I haven't played a game in 3 months since I sold my PS4 and won't play until PS5 comes out.

I was a PS/PS2/PS4 fanboy if you want to call it that but I was an Xbox 360 fanboy and will be XSX fanboy. Every gen for me is a clean slate and fresh start in regards to which console will be my primary gaming console. I simply go with the console that I see as the best overall. I will always own both (or all three) because there will always be exclusives on all consoles that I will eventually want to play.

Based on what you say, it makes perfect sense for you. For me, gaming is my number one hobby and even after XSX/PS5 releases, I will still hold on to my PS4 for a few exclusives in 2021.

I do believe this generation will be close like PS3/360. I believe Sony will still outsell Xbox still, but Xbox has done enough to close the gap. I don't think it'll be a 2:1 advantage like gen. Main initial thing will be price. Sony has used cost saving methods but still yields a lot of power. I can see them going for the $450-500 mark, still don't think $400 is likely. I think the magic is for Xbox will be $500. I think $600 is steep for the casual gamer. Even if they have to take a loss, they will make up for it with their services. Gamepass is a huge selling point. Not only do get a huge library of BC titles and some enhanced, having Series X exclusives available at their launch is a selling point. The idea of just having to buy a Series X, Xbox Live, and Gamepass initially and you be good for a while is a huge selling point. You would just need to buy the 3rd party games as they come.

Pretty much agree with everything you said here. Barring a massive screwup, I see it being 52%-48% going either way in NA and Europe with Sony winning everywhere else easily. I believe XSX will be $500 max as going past would be a bad decision. PS5 will be $400 max as I think Sony will take a loss to have a price advantage. Of course, Microsoft will also have XSS at $300 possibly at launch and especially this year, that $300 console could do major numbers.

I do think that Microsoft should wait until Sony announces their price for PS5 before announcing theirs. If Sony does in fact announce $400, if im Microsoft, I put the XSS on hold and release Series X for $400 because with the cheaper model, outside of the hardcore fans like me who want the best, the XSX will be sitting on shelves and in warehouses since vast majority of those who buy an Xbox will go with the cheaper $300 model which turns the SXS into an even bigger loss.

Since Microsoft is going to take a loss on XSX anyway, they should just go all out and put it at $400 to match Sony. This is going to be arguably the best chance they ever have to literally close the gap and gain more mindshare. Now, if Sony does announce $500, then two console approach by Microsoft would be fine but if not, Spencer needs to be ballsy and just go with $400. It's not like Microsoft can't absorb the loss plus they would get it back with software sales, subscriptions and accessory sales.

[illwill10]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

Even a cross-gen exclusive like Halo Infinite is going to look amazing because the XSX version will have features and effects that Xbox One simply won't have. Game Pass is excellent. I can tryout Halo Infinite for a $10 rental and see if I end up liking it as I have never played a Halo game before. The BC on both sides won't mean anything to me in general but XSX being able to automatically add HDR is insane.

Ray Tracing is my number one interest for next gen in regards to visuals followed by RGB HDR and Native 4K resolution. XSX is around 45% more powerful when it comes to Ray Tracing as they have plenty of options where as PS5 simply doesn't and they barely talked about it.

My main issue with PS5 is that Sony seems to be going all in on what I see as the second coming of the Cell processor. Sure, first parties will be amazing but they already are so if anything, they should be making it easier for developers, not harder. Having variable speeds for the CPU and GPU literally compromises the other based on if the developer goes CPU heavy or GPU heavy. Their BC is also a joke and I believe that the ultra fast speed of the SSD is going to cause them more issues than not because now, they have to re-calibrate every single PS4 game to run on PS5 effectively. To me, that's just unnecessary work.

With the x86 architecture, PS5 being BC with PS4 games should have been easy and simply. Instead, they made it difficult. Plus, reading their blogpost after the Cerny presentation was hilarious because they said "we believe" that thousands of PS4 games will work. So if it doesn't, they already have an excuse ready.

PlayStation 5 exclusives will be superb for the most part but we all already know this. Sony decided to make their console more friendly for their internal studios as opposed to third parties and that makes no sense to me simply because developing on a single platform (plus eventually PC) is a lot easier than multi-platform and at the end of the day, Sony's internal studios don't need any help whatsoever. But the third parties definitely do.

I'm simply disappointed that they decided to go the route they're going instead of just keeping things simple, basic and giving me the best for $500. Instead, they seem hellbent on hitting $400 but will charge another $400 three years later with PS5 Pro which is why im waiting.



I was a PS/PS2/PS4 fanboy if you want to call it that but I was an Xbox 360 fanboy and will be XSX fanboy. Every gen for me is a clean slate and fresh start in regards to which console will be my primary gaming console. I simply go with the console that I see as the best overall. I will always own both (or all three) because there will always be exclusives on all consoles that I will eventually want to play.

Based on what you say, it makes perfect sense for you. For me, gaming is my number one hobby and even after XSX/PS5 releases, I will still hold on to my PS4 for a few exclusives in 2021.



Pretty much agree with everything you said here. Barring a massive screwup, I see it being 52%-48% going either way in NA and Europe with Sony winning everywhere else easily. I believe XSX will be $500 max as going past would be a bad decision. PS5 will be $400 max as I think Sony will take a loss to have a price advantage. Of course, Microsoft will also have XSS at $300 possibly at launch and especially this year, that $300 console could do major numbers.

I do think that Microsoft should wait until Sony announces their price for PS5 before announcing theirs. If Sony does in fact announce $400, if im Microsoft, I put the XSS on hold and release Series X for $400 because with the cheaper model, outside of the hardcore fans like me who want the best, the XSX will be sitting on shelves and in warehouses since vast majority of those who buy an Xbox will go with the cheaper $300 model which turns the SXS into an even bigger loss.

Since Microsoft is going to take a loss on XSX anyway, they should just go all out and put it at $400 to match Sony. This is going to be arguably the best chance they ever have to literally close the gap and gain more mindshare. Now, if Sony does announce $500, then two console approach by Microsoft would be fine but if not, Spencer needs to be ballsy and just go with $400. It's not like Microsoft can't absorb the loss plus they would get it back with software sales, subscriptions and accessory sales.

I agree. While I do think supporting cross gen exclusives could hinder game design, I'm not fully buying into the whole "Xbox One will hold back exclusives" narrative. Like you said, Series X versions will have console exclusive features and effects. Also some of those studios could have a separate team working on Xbox One version. But I do think by Year 3, Series X exclusives could start to compete with Sony's.
Definitely agree with Gamepass. That's why I'm hoping PSNow really steps it's game up. While I doubt they ever put current gen exclusives on PSNow within a 1-2 years after release, if it can at least step up its BC Library, that would be an option for me. I thought the x86 architecture would make BC easier. But honestly BC isn't a big deal for me. I typically just play games once and I played the games I wanted too already. The BC games I want to play are the ones that are enhanced.

I agree that in your case, It's definitely better to just wait for the Pro. Honestly, I initially considered waiting to the Pro. I just always was a Sony guy. Reasons why I'm waiting for PS5 to come out to start playing is I rather play this years games on PS5 instead and because I have a toddler. I'm sure most if not all major games this year should be available next gen within a few months enhanced. Then my toddler is the biggest reason. I don't really have the time to play before I sold PS4s. I only played games on days off and with having a infant it was hard to find the time since my GF worked 2nd shift. It was hard to play games with her crawling around a lot. Plus I rather spend my free time now just playing with her instead. Once the PS5 comes out, she'll be 19 months. It'll be easier to keep her busy than it is now.

I think it'll be close. I think $500 is sweet spot for Series X. I think $600 is a DOA initially. $400 doesn't seem likely just because they sold this gen at $500. I think Sony put themselves at the point where they have to undercut Xbox in price. I think if Series X can price match Sony than that would be an advantage. So like if both are $500, then Xbox can really drive home the power narrative. So $400-450, might be best bet for Sony.

What helps Sony initially will be features and exclusives. PS4 started off slow until UC4. I think this time they will try to start off quicker. I can imagine seeing God War 2(5), Spiderman 2, HZD 2, Naughty Dog new IP, Gran Tourismo and probably some other smaller ones within first 3 years.

[peter42O]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

I agree. While I do think supporting cross gen exclusives could hinder game design, I'm not fully buying into the whole "Xbox One will hold back exclusives" narrative. Like you said, Series X versions will have console exclusive features and effects. Also some of those studios could have a separate team working on Xbox One version. But I do think by Year 3, Series X exclusives could start to compete with Sony's.


Definitely agree with Gamepass. That's why I'm hoping PSNow really steps it's game up. While I doubt they ever put current gen exclusives on PSNow within a 1-2 years after release, if it can at least step up its BC Library, that would be an option for me. I thought the x86 architecture would make BC easier. But honestly BC isn't a big deal for me. I typically just play games once and I played the games I wanted too already. The BC games I want to play are the ones that are enhanced.

I agree that in your case, It's definitely better to just wait for the Pro. Honestly, I initially considered waiting to the Pro. I just always was a Sony guy. Reasons why I'm waiting for PS5 to come out to start playing is I rather play this years games on PS5 instead and because I have a toddler. I'm sure most if not all major games this year should be available next gen within a few months enhanced. Then my toddler is the biggest reason. I don't really have the time to play before I sold PS4s. I only played games on days off and with having a infant it was hard to find the time since my GF worked 2nd shift. It was hard to play games with her crawling around a lot. Plus I rather spend my free time now just playing with her instead. Once the PS5 comes out, she'll be 19 months. It'll be easier to keep her busy than it is now.

I think it'll be close. I think $500 is sweet spot for Series X. I think $600 is a DOA initially. $400 doesn't seem likely just because they sold this gen at $500. I think Sony put themselves at the point where they have to undercut Xbox in price. I think if Series X can price match Sony than that would be an advantage. So like if both are $500, then Xbox can really drive home the power narrative. So $400-450, might be best bet for Sony.

What helps Sony initially will be features and exclusives. PS4 started off slow until UC4. I think this time they will try to start off quicker. I can imagine seeing God War 2(5), Spiderman 2, HZD 2, Naughty Dog new IP, Gran Tourismo and probably some other smaller ones within first 3 years.

I don't believe that cross-gen will hold anything back. The games will simply be developed the way they should be and scaled down visually and performance for current gen compared to XSX. Basically, same as on PC. I do believe that Halo Infinite will be a GOTY contender. Can't see 343 Industries screwing it up.

Game Pass is excellent overall and I if Sony was to put their exclusives on PS Now day one AND I can download them, that's exactly how I would play them because why pay $60 when I pay $10 instead? I rarely if ever replay games and the x86 architecture does make things easier but Sony is making things harder for some odd reason. Sony is truly banking on their SSD being revolutionary and I don't see that happening at all.

Didn't know you had a toddler. Yeah, that definitely changes everything. If I had kids, I wouldn't be playing games like I normally do. I do believe that this pretty much applies to nearly everyone in the same situation.

It would take a few sequels to the exclusives releasing early in the generation for me to buy a PS5 before the Pro version. If PS4 wasn't my primary console and I waited for PS4 Pro, I would have only had a 3 game backlog (The Order 1886, Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted 4) which for me is almost nothing. With XSX being my primary, I can easily wait if I have to.

Agree with you in regards to the price setup and whatnot. Neither console can go past $500 as anything past that is asking way too much despite the consoles possibly being well worth it.

Exclusives wise, I don't see any sequels until 2022 at the earliest to be honest except for Ratchet & Clank 2 which I do believe will be a launch title. I'm expecting more one year timed exclusives from publishers and developers outside of Sony like Godfall and secondary titles like Guerrilla's Killzone 5 or new FPS IP. I always go with a 5 year gap between games nowadays because that's what they usually take especially if they're open world and massive. But we'll see what they eventually show for launch and 2021.

[Smallville102001]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

I would be very surprised if we don't see spiderman 2 and Horizon zero dawn 2 by the end of 2021. Spiderman 2 if it comes out late 2021 that would be 3 years for the sequel i known you said 5 years for sequel games but the first game only was in development for 4 years, and insomniac seems to be pretty good with making games fast so i could see 3 years for its sequel. Horizon will be 4 years old by early 2021 by late 2021 will be around 4 and a half years old. I know a lot of consoles don't have a lot for the first like 1-2 years when it comes to exclusives and a lot of times are just like ports/cross gen but i think based of the time frame of things Sony is in a better position to have a better start then most consoles.

Ratchet and clank launch
Horizon zero dawn feb/march 2021
Spiderman 2 september/october 2021
Next god of war Feb/ March 2022

I think all 4 of these are very realistic and saying no sequels before 2022 i think is not being realistic. This is one of the reason i am so ready for next gen because i think Sony is in such a good shape to start next gen off strong. When it comes to sales i see Sony dominating next gen again over xbox. Name brad is just to strong and back during the ps3 gen xbox 360 still got slightly out sold by ps3 even though it was 100 cheaper had a year head start and even though multi-platform games had a lot of issues the first like 2 years or so on ps3 before they got to under standing the cell chip. If xbox couldn't beat them then they never real and I don't see Sony messing up again. Nintendo is Sony's real competition. I see next gen being about the same has this gen when it comes to sales 2-1 type of thing. Sony exclusives are just much better and exclusives are the reason you buy a console over another one. Yes xbox may have more power but its not like you are comparing going from like snes to gamecube or something where the power difference is big. Maybe xbox will surprise me with good exclusives for once but at best i see ps5 doing like 120 million in sales and xbox doing like 90 but more likely i see like a 120 to like 50.

Xbox does do a good job with BC though and gamepass seems like a cool idea its just i don't care for there games. There are like 4 games this gen xbox had that interested me and 2 of them are now on the switch, and 1 of the other 2 will likely be on the switch even though it may be a year or 2. That leaves only 1 other game and that is sunset over drive not enough for me to get a xbox.

[peter42O]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

My predictions -

- Ratchet & Clank 2 at launch
- Horizon Zero Dawn 2 in February 2022
- Spider Man 2 in September 2022
- God of War 2 in 2023

[illwill10]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

I would be very surprised if we don't see spiderman 2 and Horizon zero dawn 2 by the end of 2021. Spiderman 2 if it comes out late 2021 that would be 3 years for the sequel i known you said 5 years for sequel games but the first game only was in development for 4 years, and insomniac seems to be pretty good with making games fast so i could see 3 years for its sequel. Horizon will be 4 years old by early 2021 by late 2021 will be around 4 and a half years old. I know a lot of consoles don't have a lot for the first like 1-2 years when it comes to exclusives and a lot of times are just like ports/cross gen but i think based of the time frame of things Sony is in a better position to have a better start then most consoles.

Ratchet and clank launch
Horizon zero dawn feb/march 2021
Spiderman 2 september/october 2021
Next god of war Feb/ March 2022

I think all 4 of these are very realistic and saying no sequels before 2022 i think is not being realistic. This is one of the reason i am so ready for next gen because i think Sony is in such a good shape to start next gen off strong. When it comes to sales i see Sony dominating next gen again over xbox. Name brad is just to strong and back during the ps3 gen xbox 360 still got slightly out sold by ps3 even though it was 100 cheaper had a year head start and even though multi-platform games had a lot of issues the first like 2 years or so on ps3 before they got to under standing the cell chip. If xbox couldn't beat them then they never real and I don't see Sony messing up again. Nintendo is Sony's real competition. I see next gen being about the same has this gen when it comes to sales 2-1 type of thing. Sony exclusives are just much better and exclusives are the reason you buy a console over another one. Yes xbox may have more power but its not like you are comparing going from like snes to gamecube or something where the power difference is big. Maybe xbox will surprise me with good exclusives for once but at best i see ps5 doing like 120 million in sales and xbox doing like 90 but more likely i see like a 120 to like 50.

Xbox does do a good job with BC though and gamepass seems like a cool idea its just i don't care for there games. There are like 4 games this gen xbox had that interested me and 2 of them are now on the switch, and 1 of the other 2 will likely be on the switch even though it may be a year or 2. That leaves only 1 other game and that is sunset over drive not enough for me to get a xbox.

I do feel those sequels should be out by end of 2021 or 2022. I think 3-4 years is enough time for those sequels. I don't want them rushed. I want them to PS5 exclusive and take as much advantage of consoles hardware as possible for a early gen game. But I think 3-4 years is enough time. I expect those sequels to be built off of what the prior game had. It won't be a soft reboot like God of War was where it went from a linear to a open world style. It will build off engines and assets from previous game and incorporate the capabilities of PS5.

I think the plan for Sony is start off stronger with exclusives from established franchises. So if they can start off with Spiderman 2, GoW2, HZD2, R&C, and toss in a couple quality AA games in the first 3 years, that would be a strong start for Sony. I expect by year 3/4 is when we see new IPs that take full advantage of hardware

In theory, Xbox 360 should have been able to dominate sales. Like you said, it had a year start, the $600 price debacle, there were like 3-5 versions of PS3 lol, it took until mid gen or so for devs to understand the Cell processor. But PS3 still sold more. Microsoft has more money and should be able to dominate in software aspects, but Sony has the brand recognition. I think what else helped was not having to pay for Online in PS3 era was a huge selling point. So unless Sony fumbles out of here, Sony should still win the sales war.

BC isn't a huge deal for me since I rarely replay games. Once I know what to expect, it takes the fun out of it. For me to replay a game, it would have to be a great game and there would have to be a 2+ year gap between me replaying. Some of the games I would like to replay from this gen are Spiderman, GoW, UC4, HZD(never played it), both TLOU(never played), and Batman Arkham Series. But that's mainly if they are remastered or PS5 enhanced.

[XxGamerXx]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

The games you mentioned were all carry overs from the ps3 days as you mentioned...and where did they end up?...thats right the PS4! So what does that mean....folks wanted to play those games on the ps4, see where this is going yet? it's the GAMES!!

Do you have any data to prove your claim?

Oh that's right, I believe you were the one to say something along the lines of console gamers weren't real gamers. lmao

Please try and keep up. What does those games being on ps2 ps3 ps4 and ps5 have anything to do with being the reason PS sells that many consoles.

Explain to me why Spiderman being the biggest selling exclusive this gen at 15 million is so far and away below 110 mil consoles sold?

Because enthusiasts (sony ps lovers) are what buys those games. The rest of those ps console buyers play and buy the console for price and cod, 2k, madden etc etc.

Stop trying to put sony enthusiasts with the same crowd as the common buyer of consoles.

[Kramer5150]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

Please try and keep up. What does those games being on ps2 ps3 ps4 and ps5 have anything to do with being the reason PS sells that many consoles.

Explain to me why Spiderman being the biggest selling exclusive this gen at 15 million is so far and away below 110 mil consoles sold?

Because enthusiasts (sony ps lovers) are what buys those games. The rest of those ps console buyers play and buy the console for price and cod, 2k, madden etc etc.

Stop trying to put sony enthusiasts with the same crowd as the common buyer of consoles.

I'm keeping up just fine, you're the one who can't keep up....but I must say I do get a kick out of your responses....

Also, you have no hard facts about your so called "claims" why people buy a Sony console, so please stop trying to act like you know it all...OK

[AUChase]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

Explain to me why Spiderman being the biggest selling exclusive this gen at 15 million is so far and away below 110 mil consoles sold?

Roughly 14% of the # of total consoles sold (worldwide) is still significant. Some of the strongest console selling games in history like Halo 1 existed in a time when we consumed these products differently. Now people are buying consoles as a centerpiece for their living room rather than just for gaming. They are complete entertainment packages rather than just consoles. Indie devs making an impact on sales, the sheer number of options, etc. You can't expect an exclusive to sell to half the people who own a console anymore.

Bottom line for me: 15 MILLION units sold for a comic book themed game that also sold 95% of physical units originally shipped in Japan (a country dominated by Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, etc) is impressive as hell. The rest of this garbage argument we are making is pointless.

Having a strong exclusive library is important. There's no getting around that.

[illwill10]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

Roughly 14% of the # of total consoles sold (worldwide) is still significant. Some of the strongest console selling games in history like Halo 1 existed in a time when we consumed these products differently. Now people are buying consoles as a centerpiece for their living room rather than just for gaming. They are complete entertainment packages rather than just consoles. Indie devs making an impact on sales, the sheer number of options, etc. You can't expect an exclusive to sell to half the people who own a console anymore.

Bottom line for me: 15 MILLION units sold for a comic book themed game that also sold 95% of physical units originally shipped in Japan (a country dominated by Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, etc) is impressive as hell. The rest of this garbage argument we are making is pointless.

Having a strong exclusive library is important. There's no getting around that.

Exactly when you have games like Spiderman, GoW, Uncharted 4, TLOU selling 10+ million copies as a console exclusive, that is a big deal. Especially since they are single player games as well. Imagine if they were multip-plat games, whose to say it doesn't double in sales. For a lot of players they are system sellers

[georgiafan]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

sounds like a delay isn't likely

https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-ps5-no-delay-profits-coronavirus

[illwill10]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

sounds like a delay isn't likely

https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-ps...ts-coronavirus

I think would could happen is supply shortage but no delay. Where they limit to ship consoles. They'll target major markets at launch then near March they'll probably do the global release.

It's probably going to be a situation where once the consoles Pre-order options opens up, you have to jump on it or risk missing out. I already have money put to the side by selling older consoles. So I will pre-order immediately

[illwill10]

Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

I think the exclusives will be important for PS5 to show off it's new features. Exclusives show off the consoles full capabilities. A third party game won't go out of its way to take advantage of each consoles strong points. They are going to develop evenly while making tweaks for each side. I don't see Multi-Plat games take advantage of the Dual Shock 5 features and 3D Audio. Those games should load faster on PS5, but multi-plat games will be built with Series X SSD in mind since it is slower. I see Sony wanting their 1st party studios to really push the console to its limit.

I do think SSDs will have a big impact on gaming next gen. Not just for loading times, but for what it can do creatively. A game like Spiderman had like 10GB or more just with duplicated data because of the HDD. The SSD will eliminate that, so that more data games can have. Less need for the level designs with long corridors, blockades, and elevators rides. I like how Sony said how with their SSD it is possible to load in data as the player turns around without noticeable pop-in in a sec. That means that higher resolution textures can be used in worlds because the resources aren't being wasted on things the gamer can not see. I saw an Xbox dev video recently on the similar thing where they show this dragon statue behind a wall. Instead of having that statue pre-rendered behind that wall, it'll load in as it is supposed to come in scene saving resources.

I do hope that when Sony does the consumer reveal that they show off the SSD tech demo with a PS5 game. It's one thing showing off the PS4 Spiderman fast load time. Will a PS5 exclusive that pushes the console to the limit, still achieve that 1-2 second load time.

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Re: New PlayStation 5 Details Revealed, Arrives Next Holiday Season

I do feel those sequels should be out by end of 2021 or 2022. I think 3-4 years is enough time for those sequels. I don't want them rushed. I want them to PS5 exclusive and take as much advantage of consoles hardware as possible for a early gen game. But I think 3-4 years is enough time. I expect those sequels to be built off of what the prior game had. It won't be a soft reboot like God of War was where it went from a linear to a open world style. It will build off engines and assets from previous game and incorporate the capabilities of PS5.

I think the plan for Sony is start off stronger with exclusives from established franchises. So if they can start off with Spiderman 2, GoW2, HZD2, R&C, and toss in a couple quality AA games in the first 3 years, that would be a strong start for Sony. I expect by year 3/4 is when we see new IPs that take full advantage of hardware

In theory, Xbox 360 should have been able to dominate sales. Like you said, it had a year start, the $600 price debacle, there were like 3-5 versions of PS3 lol, it took until mid gen or so for devs to understand the Cell processor. But PS3 still sold more. Microsoft has more money and should be able to dominate in software aspects, but Sony has the brand recognition. I think what else helped was not having to pay for Online in PS3 era was a huge selling point. So unless Sony fumbles out of here, Sony should still win the sales war.

BC isn't a huge deal for me since I rarely replay games. Once I know what to expect, it takes the fun out of it. For me to replay a game, it would have to be a great game and there would have to be a 2+ year gap between me replaying. Some of the games I would like to replay from this gen are Spiderman, GoW, UC4, HZD(never played it), both TLOU(never played), and Batman Arkham Series. But that's mainly if they are remastered or PS5 enhanced.

I do replay games some times not all the time but some times. I am playing HZD a second time right now trying to do all side missions never did side missions on my first play threw and i am pretty far right now. BC is nice because it saves me the space of having to have multiple systems plugged in. I already have like 7 systems or so plugged it and i would replay games more if time was not a factor lol. Yeah i don't want games rushed either but i think 3-4 years for a sequel is a solid amount and not a rush and less then 5. The online free thing on ps3 yeah that did help but still had a lot going ageist it. I would say the way xbox messed up things this gen is just has bad has Sony last gen, and last gen Sony messed up Sony still slightly out sold xbox this gen xbox gets out sold 2-1. So like Sony at there worst out sold xbox still slightly where xbox at there worst they get out sold 2-1.