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[Blzer]

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Who said muddled sound? I feel like people were saying that I had a problem with the sound, I thought the transfer was not only stellar, but also reference.

My biggest beef is the EE. The IMAX scenes just crap all over the regular 35 mm shots, good as they already are.

I'll reserve all thoughts till I see it on my Panny plasma at home in a couple weeks.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Watched 15 minutes of it, it looks ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. The sound is equally awesome, my rears were always active, my sub was rocking my family room. Awesome, awesome transfer for video and sound. It's up there with 3:10 to Yuma as best sounding Blu-ray for me.

[Gizmo]

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Picked it up this morning and saw Batman Begins first then TDK and WOW. I was blown away by the IMAX scenes and the audio was out of this world. Still haven't seen any of the special features which I'll probably do throughout the week.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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Who said muddled sound? I feel like people were saying that I had a problem with the sound, I thought the transfer was not only stellar, but also reference.

Forgive me, Blzer, you were only *****ing about the "dialogue not coming from the center channel" or whatever. That's why I said the dialogue was crisp and clear, regardless of the channel (which gee, to my ears, from my calibrated and balanced system, was right between my left and right front surrounds!).

A fantastic disc, a fantastic transfer, and Blzer, get a calibrated home theater system, watch it, and then give your "qualified" opinion...if you want to call it that. I'd call the majority of it copy/paste from real experts, IMO.

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[Blzer]

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Forgive me, Blzer, you were only *****ing about the "dialogue not coming from the center channel" or whatever. That's why I said the dialogue was crisp and clear, regardless of the channel (which gee, to my ears, from my calibrated and balanced system, was right between my left and right front surrounds!).

A fantastic disc, a fantastic transfer, and Blzer, get a calibrated home theater system, watch it, and then give your "qualified" opinion...if you want to call it that. I'd call the majority of it copy/paste from real experts, IMO.

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What are you talking about?

I recall saying something like that sometimes dialogue is off-center, meaning it gave weight to the side of the screen that the voice was coming from. That only happens sometimes on close-up shots. And no, that wasn't a complaint I had, that was a praise. The only other thing that I said was softer voices wouldn't pick up the same way that deeper voices would, but you can't blame that on the transfer one bit, and that's just something natural.

I wasn't complaining about sound at all, and I didn't copy and paste from anybody. I saw what asianflow did back here a while ago, I wouldn't be so stupid to not only do something that's so easy, but something that's so easy to get caught doing.

Just watched the movie again, and again, sound was stellar, picture was stellar... I just hope that, someday with a potential re-release with a bunch of Heath Ledger behind the scenes stuff, they will also redo the 35 mm shots with the EE knob turned down.

[fenwayfaithful]

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Did anybody get the DVD today?

I preordered it, and I should be getting it sometime this week.

[TheGenius]

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Did anybody get the DVD today?

I preordered it, and I should be getting it sometime this week.

Got the two-disc today, but don't have time to watch it tonight. Had to take care of the 7 inches of snow we got overnight when I got home from work, so tomorrow night it's Dark Knight time.

[CaptainZombie]

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What are you talking about?

I recall saying something like that sometimes dialogue is off-center, meaning it gave weight to the side of the screen that the voice was coming from. That only happens sometimes on close-up shots. And no, that wasn't a complaint I had, that was a praise. The only other thing that I said was softer voices wouldn't pick up the same way that deeper voices would, but you can't blame that on the transfer one bit, and that's just something natural.

I wasn't complaining about sound at all, and I didn't copy and paste from anybody. I saw what asianflow did back here a while ago, I wouldn't be so stupid to not only do something that's so easy, but something that's so easy to get caught doing.

Just watched the movie again, and again, sound was stellar, picture was stellar... I just hope that, someday with a potential re-release with a bunch of Heath Ledger behind the scenes stuff, they will also redo the 35 mm shots with the EE knob turned down.

Blzer, do you have a receiver that is HDMI capable so you can hear TrueHD and DTS-HD? You are running your setup through the PS3 right?

Some of the claims you have made about the video quality at first and now the audio has me baffled. I bet if those images about the EE wasn't posted on AVS, you wouldn't have noticed it. Is your dialogue not coming through the center channel?

[thaima1shu]

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Well then ... this was an awesome experience. Movie looked great, IMAX scenes looked just as good as they did in the IMAX theater, and the sound ... oh man ... a few of the scenes had me scared that it was going to blow out my subwoofer there was so much bass. Amazing.

[Blzer]

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Blzer, do you have a receiver that is HDMI capable so you can hear TrueHD and DTS-HD? You are running your setup through the PS3 right?

Some of the claims you have made about the video quality at first and now the audio has me baffled. I bet if those images about the EE wasn't posted on AVS, you wouldn't have noticed it. Is your dialogue not coming through the center channel?

Okay, let me clear everything up here.

First of all, here is my setup one more time:

TV: Samsung LN-T2353H 23" 720p LCD HDTV
Receiver: Samsung HT-AS720S HTiB w/ HDMI input. It does not decode TrueHD and DTS-MA, but allows for TrueHD and DTS-MA passthrough given that the source encodes it (which a PS3 update did do that). That said, I do get Dolby TrueHD. I'll post specs about my receiver later if you don't believe me.

Secondly, I am a member of AVS Forums, but I don't peruse there unless it's the LCD section. I've frequented the Blu-ray section, but not the software section, which is where this pics comparison thread was posted.

Thirdly, I read ZERO reviews about this movie before first seeing it. The only thing I was able to find out, through IMDb users, were websites that sold this movie very early (like November 20th early). I even posted one of them on here. My floormate ordered it through DVD Pacific and we saw it in my room when he got it. The first thing that popped out to me when I saw Ramirez and Gordon on the roof after the prologue scene was the halos. I don't need a professional to tell me what I can see, thank you for suggesting that however. I'm now at about 40 Blu-ray titles, and I think I would know what edge-enhancement looks like by now. Just because I'm not hired as a professional BD movie critic doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion or that my eye isn't perceiving things correctly. I can say the same about myself as a hitting coach or anything else. Don't undermind me just because I'm a name behind a message board network, please.

Besides, if you've read a few of my other posts before, I simply don't trust reviews anymore. The High-Def Digest reviews for Die Hard have been wrong for the visuals, and every professional review for Street Kings has missed the constant crackling noises in the movie as well. I won't trust a review to tell me how I see a movie, and I won't base other people's perceptions on a movie to psychologically feed me nonsense about what I think I see and don't see on screen when watching a movie. The Dark Knight has edge-enhancement off the spout, and there is no way anybody can say otherwise.

My television is not professionally calibrated, but I got my TV settings, plus some tweaks of my own with backlight and brightness (lowering them for the dark room setting) to get a good picture. Sharpness is at 0 and edge-enhancement is off. Even if it were on, I don't get that problem with any other movies I have.



And finally, I don't know what people are saying about me complaining with audio. There's nothing wrong with my center channel, and there's nothing wrong with the movie's audio transfer. I simply said... here, let me give an example. Watch the beginning scene with the robbers on the rooftop, the one guy says, "Here comes the silent alarm... and there it goes." He's mostly on the center channel, but since he's so close to the camera and a bit to the right, you get a bit of his voice on the right channel as well. That's a good thing, because when the other guy says, "Is there a problem here?" you get a bit of him on the left channel, differentiating their positions on screen. That has nothing to do with my center channel being out, and I'm not *****ing about it. I said it was a good thing.



The movie is a 5/5, by transfer alone, the picture is a 4 - 4.5/5, the audio is a 5/5, and the supplements thus far are very good (minus any big Heath Ledger stuff). I just hope there's a re-release sometime so that we can get the picture fixed for the non-IMAX shots and we can get some Ledger special features as well.



EDIT: Oh, and those that claim they have a "calibrated" home theater system whilst having a cranked sub, probably means their home theater system isn't calibrated. When people cough, you're not supposed to hear a boom. Sorry... go back to a theater, see how the director intended it to sound. There's a difference between plentiful bass and good low-frequency effects (hopefully at a threshold below 120 Hz).

[Stroehms]

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Did anybody get the DVD today?

I preordered it, and I should be getting it sometime this week.

Rented it and it was absolutely stellar.

[Brandon13]

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I ordered a pizza from Papa Johns tonight and it came with a $3 off coupon for "The Dark Knight" DVD. So I'll be picking it up tomorrow.

[bjf1377]

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Well we watched our Blu-Ray copy from Netflix tonight and it skipped a few times, so that blows. But other than that it looked nice

[inkcil]

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I just don't get how fans are ok with how the movie turned into a complete cartoon with the CGI for Two-face...after that I no longer felt like Gotham was real and I was harshly reminded that this is all special efects and pretends. Plus the last 20 minues of story (writing) sucked too.

This movie was a perfect 10 up until the point they decided to make a cartoon out of Harvey's face...so many other ways they could have pulled that off.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I thought they did a good job with it. Its not like it was the focus of every scene with him from the hospital until the end.