The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

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  • USF11
    C*rr*ntly *n L*f* T*lt
    • Jun 2003
    • 4245

    #1801
    Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

    Originally posted by Kashanova
    i believe there was a logic the fact that rachel had been threaten might had pushed him towards the edge a bit plus i dont think he was going to kill him anyways, the coin was heads on both sides and was probably trying to scared the kid
    What I mean is the fact when someone loses it and goes crazy, theres no longer "logic" in that persons actions.
    "Good music transcends all physical limits, it's more then something you hear, it's something that you feel, when the author, experience, and passion is real" - Murs (And this is for)

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    • Fresh Tendrils
      Strike Hard and Fade Away
      • Jul 2002
      • 36131

      #1802
      Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

      Originally posted by USF11
      What I mean is the fact when someone loses it and goes crazy, theres no longer "logic" in that persons actions.
      There was still logic to his actions, they just seemed illogical to the audience.



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      • Fresh Tendrils
        Strike Hard and Fade Away
        • Jul 2002
        • 36131

        #1803
        Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

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        • cam9219
          Rookie
          • Jun 2007
          • 45

          #1804
          Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

          If the game is any good, it would likely be the best movie-game combo ever.

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          • SPTO
            binging
            • Feb 2003
            • 68046

            #1805
            Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

            I just came back from the movie

            WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            I'm speechless! That was the single greatest comic book movie ever. In fact, it's on a par with some of the best crime/dramas i've seen in the last 20 years. It felt like a Graphic Novel put to life in all the right ways.

            Heath Ledger was truly amazing to watch. I wanted to see more of him. It's a shame he died as I truly think the dynamic between he and Bale was electric. I think the Joker character should be retired from making any more appearances in any Batman related movie from now on as there's no way in hell anyone can come as close to Ledger. He pulled off the insanity without being over the top. I also liked how he used Nicholson's vocalization as the basis for his Joker voice.

            Ledger gave Joker so much vitality especially with his little ticks such as the gesticulations and using his tongue to wet his lips. He was both terrifying in the deepest most psychological ways yet humorous in macabre ways as well. It's a fine line trying to play an insane criminal genius but Ledger did it and his portrayal was very much the way I picture Joker as being. Ledger definitely deserves at LEAST an Oscar nomination. I'd say that even if he was still alive.

            Aaron Eckhart hit all the right notes as Harvey Dent and in a small way I had to feel sorry for him. This is one of the more difficult things to convey in film with Batman's Rogues Gallery but by golly they hit the nail on the head with Dent. They gave Dent the right mixture of cockiness and vulnerability.

            As for the plot of the movie...You guys weren't kidding about having tons of things going on. My father thought it got a little confusing but I didn't as i'm used to the pacing of a Graphic Novel and how there can be tons of things going on. There were a lot of scenes and action sequences that are going to stick with me for a long time to come. I honestly think Chris and Jonathon Nolan should get some nominations for the script as they did a fine job of juggling all the different plot elements and as far as I can tell there wasn't very many loose threads or illogical story twists.

            I give this movie an A+++++ rating. Honestly I don't see any other comic book movie coming anywhere close to this one EVER.
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            • Sting
              Banned
              • Nov 2004
              • 3825

              #1806
              Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

              Originally posted by DCAllAmerican
              So damn true

              But did anyone mention how annoying Batman's voice was?
              That's the 1st thing I noticed in the movie, and it's what I took away from the movie as well. At work the next morning (a bunch of co-workers went and saw it together), the voice of Batman was the buzz throughout the entire office, and it wasn't a good buzz.


              Ledger ROCKED that movie!!!

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              • SPTO
                binging
                • Feb 2003
                • 68046

                #1807
                Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                Eh, the "batman voice" didn't bother me too much. It was really irritating at first but I got used to it. I do think Bale needs to ratchet it down a bit. Something between his Bruce voice and Batman voice would work.
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                • Gamecock
                  Pro
                  • May 2008
                  • 679

                  #1808
                  Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                  Did anyone find the courtroom scene rather...weird?

                  Like I honestly thought Dent was on the set of some corny court tv show especially when the man on the stand pulled out that weapon along with the cheering soon after as he was thwarted by Dent.
                  Last edited by Gamecock; 07-26-2008, 12:06 AM.
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                  Bums.

                  Being a lazy gamer is one thing but being lazy at gaming is another.
                  On ODogg's and Stewaat's insincere laziness.

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                  • ZB9
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 18387

                    #1809
                    Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                    the interrogation scene was a great scene. It really shows the true characters of Batman and Joker

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #1810
                      Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                      Agreed, that and the scene where the mayor is a target in public were the best scenes of the entire movie.

                      Best action sequence was the armored car sequence.
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                      "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                      • triplej96
                        24fps
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 2152

                        #1811
                        Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                        Its in my top 3 movies all time not sure where in the 3 its at . I saw it again today!
                        -Josh

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                        • catcatch22
                          Or should I
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 3378

                          #1812
                          Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                          I guess I'm in the minority here but I don't think this movie is at all one of the best of all time.

                          It's definitely one of the best films this year. It's better than the first one and I thought the first one was excellent.

                          As comic book movies go, this one is the best I have seen.

                          I would have like to have seen more Two Face.

                          I agree the Joker is played wonderfully by Ledger.

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                          • Hammerhunker
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 3007

                            #1813
                            Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                            Originally posted by catcatch22
                            I guess I'm in the minority here but I don't think this movie is at all one of the best of all time.

                            It's definitely one of the best films this year. It's better than the first one and I thought the first one was excellent.

                            As comic book movies go, this one is the best I have seen.

                            I would have like to have seen more Two Face.

                            I agree the Joker is played wonderfully by Ledger.
                            I totally agree with all of you points. I believe if I knew more about the comic book plot lines I would have been able to analyze this movie better. Of course I know of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwomen, and have heard of Two Face.

                            I was mesmerized by the performance of Ledger.

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                            • Seymour Scagnetti
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 2489

                              #1814
                              Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                              Originally posted by Longhorn
                              For someone that seems to be a fan of Batman, and I could be completely wrong about that, you don't seem to appreciate how true-to-form this movie was.

                              Re: The Joker....

                              Spoiler


                              Re: Harvey Dent...

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                              Re: Batman as a secondary character

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                              Re: Rachel's effect...

                              Spoiler
                              Good analysis but I think you are really trying to convince yourself as well to me that you think this movie can do no wrong.

                              Firstly I get the fact that it's true to form to the comics but "comics" is the key word. This is a movie and changes have to be made to give it closure. Comics can be a continuing saga because there are an infinite # of issues that can deal with it. A movie is only 2 1\2 hours long. You need a payoff in some shape or form. I'm not saying the Joker should have met his demise in some fiery explosion but there should have been some type of closure that justifies your investment in the movie. Even in Empire Strikes Back at least there was a climatic scene of Han Solo being frozen to end the movie. There was no such thing in TDK. It was a manical villain just being arrested. It's like the shark in Jaws, after eating everybody, decides to swim away and the coast guard just follow it and the movie ends. Even if Nolan wanted Joker in the next movie he should have had at least a climatic scene like in Empire.

                              This is the same reason that comics can afford to delve into character development with Dent. They have lots of time to do so. Movies don't have that luxery. Batman and Wayne being left in the background was a major mistake because even if you don't consider Dent a boring character in the movie you have to admit he's a lot less interesting than Batman and the conflict between Dent and Gordon was given way too much emphasis when the movie should of concentrated on the Batman\Joker conflict. The more I think about it the more horrible the ending was. The viewer was given a fantastic duel between Batman\Joker and Nolan absolutely dropped the ball in the end. Also Batman was portrayed as a fallible human being in Begins where you cared what he did. In TDK he was a robotic and unfeeling "superhero" who growled. How that was an improvement is beyond me.

                              Dent's turn was swift and rushed yet we spend the last 15 minutes of the movie watching him turn manical and the Joker became an afterthought. I like to see in the comics where that happened. No one came to see the movie to watch Gordon and Dent have a psychological duel as the climax. Everybody wanted Batman and the Joker. Nolan could of shown Dent transforming into Two Face in the movie's final scene and developed it more in the 3rd film, not hijack the ending just to complete Den't character arc.

                              To me rather than that being a comic bok ending it seemed more of a case of Nolan not knowing how to end it or how to figure out how to keep the Joker a possibility for the next film.
                              Last edited by Seymour Scagnetti; 07-26-2008, 11:26 AM.

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                              • Cebby
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 22327

                                #1815
                                Re: The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

                                Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
                                To me rather than that being a comic bok ending it seemed more of a case of Nolan not knowing how to end it or how to figure out how to keep the Joker a possibility for the next film.
                                I thought the ending was fantastic. Dent's end had more to do with setting up the third movie than ending the second. Did you honestly think Batman would kill the Joker? Really now?

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