****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

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  • ehh
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    • Mar 2003
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    #631
    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

    I will also be very ticked if the pre-crash connections were all coincidence. There's no way it is though, the writers wouldn't do all that work if it was coincidence. As Locke says, "Everything happens for a reason."
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    • poster
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      • Nov 2003
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      #632
      Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

      Originally posted by Coug00
      Another strange thing about last night's episode (which I read on another board), if you look at the clock in the hotel room scene the page to Elsa was 30 minutes late, just like the payload rocket was 30 minutes late when it finally landed on the island.

      Was Elsa's boss simply late or is he on the island?
      I am at work so I cannot check my DVR. How was the page 30 minutes late? Did they show the hotel clock and pager clock with different times (did I miss that)?

      Originally posted by DrJones
      Yep. Did anyone notice how Jack and the pilot were talking about the Red Sox winning the World Series just before the rocket landed? I'm guessing this wasn't random. I think it's "current time" in the outside-Island world, and that the pilot thought Jack was referring to the Red Sox winning the 2007 Series, not 2004.

      This would explain "tall Walt" for one. I'm guessing that some or all of the Oceanic 6 will return to the island after months/years in the outside world to find that days/weeks have passed for their fellow Losties. Let's say the 6 leave the island at the end of Season 4, then we follow the exploits of Locke, Sawyer, etc. on the island for 10 episodes or so, and Jack (or whoever reappears) after a few days/weeks, and all of the flashforwards we're seeing now will have already happened...Thoughts?
      Very good thought on the 07 WS. Last night had lots of tidbits that make you think.

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      • Brandon13
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        • Oct 2005
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        #633
        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

        Originally posted by ehh
        I will also be very ticked if the pre-crash connections were all coincidence. There's no way it is though, the writers wouldn't do all that work if it was coincidence. As Locke says, "Everything happens for a reason."
        I agree. I don't think there's much of a chance that the writers won't at least attempt to tie it all together.

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        • Coug00
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          • Jul 2002
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          #634
          Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

          Originally posted by poster
          I am at work so I cannot check my DVR. How was the page 30 minutes late? Did they show the hotel clock and pager clock with different times (did I miss that)?



          Very good thought on the 07 WS. Last night had lots of tidbits that make you think.
          I read the post incorrectly (there isn't a clock). Elsa said in German you were supposed to call at 10:30, not 10. However, only "You were supposed to call at 10:30" was translated on the subtitles. So the caller was actually 30 minutes early, not late as I posted. The timing was definitely off.
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          • poster
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            • Nov 2003
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            #635
            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

            Originally posted by Coug00
            I read the post incorrectly (there isn't a clock). Elsa said in German you were supposed to call at 10:30, not 10. However, only "You were supposed to call at 10:30" was translated on the subtitles. So the caller was actually 30 minutes early, not late as I posted. The timing was definitely off.
            Thanks.

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            • Money99
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              • Sep 2002
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              #636
              Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

              Originally posted by poster
              I am at work so I cannot check my DVR. How was the page 30 minutes late? Did they show the hotel clock and pager clock with different times (did I miss that)?



              Very good thought on the 07 WS. Last night had lots of tidbits that make you think.
              We don't know that yet. Remember when Jack was shown the Sox winning in 04 while a prisoner of The Others? They could still be referencing this.
              I guess we'll have to pay attention more closely to what date the flash-forwards show.

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              • Geff
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                • May 2004
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                #637
                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                Bai Ling, the actress whose character gave Jack his tattoos, was arrested at LAX for stealing 2 magazines and a pack of batteries. Good thing she's not on the island.

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                • DrJones
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                  • Mar 2003
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                  #638
                  Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                  Originally posted by Money99
                  We don't know that yet. Remember when Jack was shown the Sox winning in 04 while a prisoner of The Others? They could still be referencing this.
                  Well, Jack is, of course. He also pointedly mentions not believing that he hasn't seen a Red Sox game in 100 days. Before the pilot can respond, the rocket lands 31 minutes late, with there being a strong implication that time is passing much more rapidly off the island. Hmmmm...
                  Originally posted by Thrash13
                  Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                  Originally posted by slickdtc
                  DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                  Originally posted by Kipnis22
                  yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                  • poster
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                    • Nov 2003
                    • 7506

                    #639
                    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                    Originally posted by Money99
                    We don't know that yet. Remember when Jack was shown the Sox winning in 04 while a prisoner of The Others? They could still be referencing this.
                    I guess we'll have to pay attention more closely to what date the flash-forwards show.
                    Very true, we'll have to see what happens. Good thought by Dr. Jones though.

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                    • Herbsinator
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                      • Sep 2003
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                      #640
                      Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                      Does all of this time travel stuff remind you of Planet of the Apes? Like Charleston Heston didn't age, but the rest of the earth aged thousands of years?

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                      • CMH
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                        • Oct 2002
                        • 26203

                        #641
                        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                        I still don't think it's time travel. I have always considered, and mentioned as recently as last week's episode, that time on the island is different from time off the island.

                        I like all the explanations but I don't agree with there being two of everyone. I don't think this is people jumping through time. It's something else that involves the electro-magnetic force that was on the island.

                        I've tried to think this one out and the one thing that keeps jumping back at me is Ben. If Ben is freely traveling on and off the island then wouldn't there be several of him too?

                        I don't think that's the case because Ben needs several passports with him.

                        I can't explain the rabbit video. I don't understand what's going on there.

                        Anyway, this goes back to my theory on Penny and the boat. I still believe it is Penny's boat. I'm not sure if it's in this thread or the Season Three thread but I mentioned that I think Penny doesn't know about the boat that Charlie speaks about because the transmission that Charlie is getting is from the past.

                        The rocket confirms this for me. Again, as everyone now knows, time is differnet on the island. So Penny wouldn't have known about the boat because she hadn't sent one just yet. It's possible that Charlie asking her about the boat is why she even considers sending one.



                        Also, what did Sayid say to Ben just before Ben says, "Good" and then smach cut to end credits? I listened to that clip over and over again and can't understand the words.

                        And finally, I will agree that it is Michael on the boat. Ben has traveled off the island to meet with Michael, of the future. Much like Sayid is working for Ben (and possibly Kate) Michael is also doing work for Ben. Not sure what it is yet but I'm guessing that Ben finally told Michael what the hell is really going on and Michael is doing what Sayid is doing in the flash-forward - helping him prevent an eventual problem.

                        It's either that or it's the doubles thing and Ben doesn't want to say who's on the boat because it's probably Sayid.
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                        • CMH
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                          • Oct 2002
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                          #642
                          Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                          Originally posted by Herbsinator
                          Does all of this time travel stuff remind you of Planet of the Apes? Like Charleston Heston didn't age, but the rest of the earth aged thousands of years?
                          Every episode or two I'm reminded of another movie that I think Lost is paying an homage to.

                          The latest was The Langoliers by Stephen King. Crazy movie.

                          Now I'm wondering if the people that survived the crash did something different from the ones that died. Obviously, it wasn't "staying awake" but why did some survive and not others?
                          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                          • CMH
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                            • Oct 2002
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                            #643
                            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                            Originally posted by ehh
                            I will also be very ticked if the pre-crash connections were all coincidence. There's no way it is though, the writers wouldn't do all that work if it was coincidence. As Locke says, "Everything happens for a reason."
                            I still think that this and the numbers are large Easter Eggs. Things that they thought would be cool to have because it makes the show that much more interesting. It gives the past meaning and the characters become more interesting.

                            The numbers on top of the police cruisers in the Police Headquarters for Ana-Lucia doesn't mean that there was strange crap going on there. It was just a way of saying, "Hey, we can get numbers in here too so lets give the fans soemthing else to say, 'snap, there's the numbers!'" And then you have them repeat.

                            Hurley and his winning the lottery and those numbers matching the hatch are just part of this. A way of saying, "Wouldn't it be weird if the one thing you fear the most just follows you around?" It's also kinda like how you learn a new word and then all of a sudden you start seeing it everywhere. I'm sure that's happened to you and anyone else reading this post. And if it's not with a word it could be something else.

                            I don't think the numbers were ever a big story. I think fans made them bigger than they really were and I credit the writers for not tracking off just to please the fans that think the numbers should mean something.

                            As for Ben. I don't understand how just because he's in more than 3 of the planned episodes all of a sudden means that the writers are veering off. It just means that they decided that "Random Guy X" will now be Ben instead of a new character. This is part of show business. It happens all the time.

                            Family Matters was still Family Matters once Jaleel White stuck on as Urkel. The show didn't change but they weren't going to write off the funny kid that draws fans. Ben obviously is very good at what he does and his character is extremely interesting so the writers decided that he would have a bigger role in the bigger story.

                            I don't understand why poeple think that every single minute detail is planned for a show. The only thing likely planned is the big story. The smaller details that make up that bigger story pretty much happen as you progress through the writing process. Ben isn't the bigger story so his inclusion in it doesn't mean that the writers have changed the focus.
                            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                            • Chief Illinimac
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                              • Dec 2004
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                              #644
                              Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                              Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
                              Every episode or two I'm reminded of another movie that I think Lost is paying an homage to.

                              The latest was The Langoliers by Stephen King. Crazy movie.
                              The basic idea of the story borrows quite a bit from The Stand, if you've read that/seen the TV miniseries.
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                              • fpac
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                                • Oct 2002
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                                #645
                                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
                                Also, what did Sayid say to Ben just before Ben says, "Good" and then smach cut to end credits? I listened to that clip over and over again and can't understand the words.
                                He says "But they know I'm after them now."

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