No, you said that people didn't watch the movies because they weren't advertised and didn't get major releases (which is only true for some of them). I asked, "So should the Academy only nominate major-release films?" In other words, what is your solution?
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 No, you said that people didn't watch the movies because they weren't advertised and didn't get major releases (which is only true for some of them). I asked, "So should the Academy only nominate major-release films?" In other words, what is your solution?
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 There's no solution for not giving people enough money but people shouldn't be surprised that no one cares about the awards when a majority of the movies nominated aren't well known.Originally posted by BlzerLet me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.
 
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 No Country for Old Men peaked at 5th on the box office in its first weekend of wide release. Actually I don't know if it was the first weekend in wide release, but that was the peak. I'm guessing due to its nominations and critical praise. It has grossed about $58 million.
 
 TWBB is widely released now and has barely cracked the top 10. It has made a total of $35.1 million. So people are able to see it, but the masses CHOOSE not to.
 
 Juno has made $130 million. People know about it. People have seen it because it has been marketed like Superbad or Knocked Up, and find out it is completely different, yet still good.
 
 Michael Clayton has George Clooney and was advertised well. It has made $46 million in wide release.
 
 Atonement, to be fair, I don't know much about. But it made $46 million in the box office.
 
 All of these movies were in wide release at least 2 weeks before the Oscars. It has nothing to do with inability to see them. Movies like "Meet the Spartans" are grossing far more than any of these except Juno. Juno did well because it was marketed as a teen comedy when it was actually a pretty serious drama with some laughs.
 
 Point is, these movies should be well known, but aren't because people choose not to go see them because they don't fit the "mold" of what they think they want to see. New ideas aren't appreciated anymore by the masses.Listen to some of my covers:
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 No, should there of been? It's not like he was some timeless actor that's been around for 50 years.Comment
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 Was Ledger part of the Oscars' montage of stars that died this past year? I read an article that Brad Renfro was snubbed from the video, but I imagine Ledger was in it.
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 yeah I see that now. I found the Memorian on youtube:
 
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 so because the "masses" don't want to see dark movies right now, and occasionally prefer cheap laughs from stuff meet the spartans, movies will be ruined forever? Not every movie that wins multiple awards connects with the public, and there's nothing wrong with that. The Academy even prides itself on telling the masses what are good movies and what aren't.No Country for Old Men...
 TWBB...
 Juno...
 Michael Clayton...
 Atonement....
 
 All of these movies were in wide release at least 2 weeks before the Oscars. It has nothing to do with inability to see them. Movies like "Meet the Spartans" are grossing far more than any of these except Juno. Juno did well because it was marketed as a teen comedy when it was actually a pretty serious drama with some laughs.
 
 Point is, these movies should be well known, but aren't because people choose not to go see them because they don't fit the "mold" of what they think they want to see. New ideas aren't appreciated anymore by the masses.
 
 Those all might be fine movies, however when going out with friends or family to a movie, there's only dark, serious dramas, then crap like meet the spartans and jumpers. I would assume that once these hit DVD and feature how many Academy Awards they won on the cover, they'll sell just fine. People just don't feel like watching this stuff in theaters right now.Comment
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 I wonder if the Writers' Strike had anything to do with it? It has been reported that the last strike was responsible for a 10% decline in the industry overall.Juno and NCOM have been advertised like crazy. There are 2 reasons the ratings were down: Not big stars were nominated or had a chance to win (Clooney and Depp were nominated but no one thought they would beat Lewis) and there werent any mainstream movies nominated. Thats not the Academy's fault though. The only mainstream movie that I thought could have been nominated was American Gangster and thats a bit of a stretch.Comment
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 Not to mention the entire TV marketing for TWBB, Atonement, Michael Clayton, and I believe NCFOM was simply "Seriously, best movie ever! No, really, *insert actor* and costumes!" I still have no clue what any of the movies (aside from Juno) are about. TWBB has something to do with oil, Atonement has costume, Michael Clayton has Clooney and I'd assume a mass conspiracy, and NCFOM has cowboys and a gun store.Those all might be fine movies, however when going out with friends or family to a movie, there's only dark, serious dramas, then crap like meet the spartans and jumpers. I would assume that once these hit DVD and feature how many Academy Awards they won on the cover, they'll sell just fine. People just don't feel like watching this stuff in theaters right now.
 
 TWBB had to have one of the worst marketing campaigns I've seen. The preview was an old car driving through the desert, then the title. That really doesn't make me want to see the movie.
 
 I'll watch TWBB and NCFOM when they come out on DVD, but they need to step their advertising game up.Comment
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 I dont think so. The writers had 2 weeks to put together material for this show. Its really just because of lesser known stars and movies being nominated. Shoot the strike should have helped the show because no new shows were running against it.Comment
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 I think people don't watch the Oscars as much (or don't care as much for them) is because they're sick of Hollywood's pretentious bull****. It's all plastic and ego-stroking on that night. I think (hope) people are starting to see that.
 
 Of course, I could be wrong, and people are still watching despite knowing this which is troubling in other ways.Comment
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 So you have to be told what to see by advertisers? I see movies based on what I read about them, not based on previews and TV spots. Does that make me more intelligent or anything? Absolutely not, but I don't think claiming ignorance is a good excuse to not at least see what the movies are about.Not to mention the entire TV marketing for TWBB, Atonement, Michael Clayton, and I believe NCFOM was simply "Seriously, best movie ever! No, really, *insert actor* and costumes!" I still have no clue what any of the movies (aside from Juno) are about. TWBB has something to do with oil, Atonement has costume, Michael Clayton has Clooney and I'd assume a mass conspiracy, and NCFOM has cowboys and a gun store.
 
 TWBB had to have one of the worst marketing campaigns I've seen. The preview was an old car driving through the desert, then the title. That really doesn't make me want to see the movie.
 
 I'll watch TWBB and NCFOM when they come out on DVD, but they need to step their advertising game up.
 
 There isn't only dark serious dramas or crap comedies. American Gangster is a crime/mob movie that was very good. Superbad/Knocked Up were very very good raunchy comedies. The Bourne Ultimatum is an action movie that is highly regarded...so because the "masses" don't want to see dark movies right now, and occasionally prefer cheap laughs from stuff meet the spartans, movies will be ruined forever? Not every movie that wins multiple awards connects with the public, and there's nothing wrong with that. The Academy even prides itself on telling the masses what are good movies and what aren't.
 
 Those all might be fine movies, however when going out with friends or family to a movie, there's only dark, serious dramas, then crap like meet the spartans and jumpers. I would assume that once these hit DVD and feature how many Academy Awards they won on the cover, they'll sell just fine. People just don't feel like watching this stuff in theaters right now.
 
 And the fact that people aren't willing to see these in theaters is the reason why some people believe the movie-going public is becoming dumber. They must be told what to see by massive ad campaigns and are only willing to see movies that do not make you think.
 
 Just to be clear, I don't have that opinion. People can see whatever movies they want, and that's fine. But I can see where some of these arguments come from.Listen to some of my covers:
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 I agree with the pretentiousness. I loved a few of the movies that were nominated this year, and I was very curious to see the winners. However, about 2.5 hours of the show was pure BS exactly as you described.I think people don't watch the Oscars as much (or don't care as much for them) is because they're sick of Hollywood's pretentious bull****. It's all plastic and ego-stroking on that night. I think (hope) people are starting to see that.
 
 Of course, I could be wrong, and people are still watching despite knowing this which is troubling in other ways.Listen to some of my covers:
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 Honestly, yes.So you have to be told what to see by advertisers? I see movies based on what I read about them, not based on previews and TV spots. Does that make me more intelligent or anything? Absolutely not, but I don't think claiming ignorance is a good excuse to not at least see what the movies are about.
 
 If a movie can't find 30 seconds worth of interestingness or put out a good trailer, I'm not driving 30 minutes and dropping $10 on it.
 
 Movies that don't look good, but I hear are good are Netflixed. It costs me no money, and I can turn it off if it's boring.Comment

 
		
	 
		
	 
		
	 
		
	
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