The Dark Knight Rises

[bd007h]

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Finally going to see it in an hour

[NYJetsfan]

You guys really over think things. If I can suspend my belief that a billionaire can become a masked crime fighter without anyone knowing, I really couldn't care less on how said guy gets half way across the world with no money. He just does.

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[Fresh Tendrils]

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Oh ok, I've only seen it once and had forgotten about the buildings. There must've been an issue with how long the movie was because it's weird following The Dark Knight when he made a point to show how Bruce was going to get out of China with Lao but in this he just skipped over how Bruce would get back to Gotham when he had far less resources.

Yes, but even TDK had some weird issues like Joker being left in Bruce's penthouse apartment full of people.

[jmood88]

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You guys really over think things. If I can suspend my belief that a billionaire can become a masked crime fighter without anyone knowing, I really couldn't care less on how said guy gets half way across the world with no money. He just does.

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Again, the premise doesn't excuse poor writing/editing.

[jmood88]

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Yes, but even TDK had some weird issues like Joker being left in Bruce's penthouse apartment full of people.

I've always hated everything about how that encounter ended. It made no sense for Bruce and Rachel to survive that fall after smashing into a car of for the Joker to just be chilling with a group of people while Bruce jumped out of a window.

[NYJetsfan]

Again, the premise doesn't excuse poor writing/editing.

Not if it's not inconsistent with the entire trilogy. There's holes, editing issues, etc sprinkled through out the first two movies. The difference is Batman Begins is universally loved because it brought Batman back to respectability, Heath Ledger's performance in The Dark Knight masked any shortcomings, but TDKR apparently didn't live up to some expectations, so it's getting unjustly criticized IMO.

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[BlueNGold]

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I've always hated everything about how that encounter ended. It made no sense for Bruce and Rachel to survive that fall after smashing into a car of for the Joker to just be chilling with a group of people while Bruce jumped out of a window.

Remember in Batman Begins when Bruce is shown the memory cloth that's used for his cape and how if he puts a current through it, it hardens? That's how they survived the fall.

And yeah, the fact that they just ended that scene without at least showing Joker running off always kind of annoys me a little bit when I go back and watch TDK.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Remember in Batman Begins when Bruce is shown the memory cloth that's used for his cape and how if he puts a current through it, it hardens? That's how they survived the fall.

And yeah, the fact that they just ended that scene without at least showing Joker running off always kind of annoys me a little bit when I go back and watch TDK.

I think they forgot to insert that Batman 66 screen-swipe.

[jmood88]

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Not if it's not inconsistent with the entire trilogy. There's holes, editing issues, etc sprinkled through out the first two movies. The difference is Batman Begins is universally loved because it brought Batman back to respectability, Heath Ledger's performance in The Dark Knight masked any shortcomings, but TDKR apparently didn't live up to some expectations, so it's getting unjustly criticized IMO.

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It's being criticized because many people don't feel that it's as entertaining as the other's and the holes aren't as easy to overlook. I didn't go into the movie wanting to dislike it but as the issues started piling on top of each other, it took me out of the experience.

[Blzer]

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It's being criticized because many people don't feel that it's as entertaining as the other's and the holes aren't as easy to overlook. I didn't go into the movie wanting to dislike it but as the issues started piling on top of each other, it took me out of the experience.

In Batman Begins, how come the water vaporizer didn't blast the wet ground on the streets and the water in the bodies of Gotham's citizens? How did Bruce explain his seven year hiatus to the public after being announced and presumed dead? He even went down the mountain without us showing it, even though they showed him go up the mountain.

In The Dark Knight, how did the Joker rig an entire hospital and two ferries with explosives? Forget that, but don't those things sound like pre-planned events? Didn't he say he's not a kind of guy who plans things? That sounds like off-beat writing to me. Heck, how did the Joker drop the hung Batman impersonator from the top of the building (or at least above the mayor's office), and escape it without being seen?

I just don't see any of these issues to be any more glaring than the ones in the previous two films, and I love all three of them very much.

[jmood88]

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In Batman Begins, how come the water vaporizer didn't blast the wet ground on the streets and the water in the bodies of Gotham's citizens? How did Bruce explain his seven year hiatus to the public after being announced and presumed dead? He even went down the mountain without us showing it, even though they showed him go up the mountain.

In The Dark Knight, how did the Joker rig an entire hospital and two ferries with explosives? Forget that, but don't those things sound like pre-planned events? Didn't he say he's not a kind of guy who plans things? That sounds like off-beat writing to me. Heck, how did the Joker drop the hung Batman impersonator from the top of the building (or at least above the mayor's office), and escape it without being seen?

I just don't see any of these issues to be any more glaring than the ones in the previous two films, and I love all three of them very much.

I didn't think Batman Begins was that great so I don't care about that one but as far as the Joker, he lied to everyone so you probably shouldn't trust anything he says, especially since everything he did in the movie had been planned. It's pretty easy to imagine that he had someone standing at the top of the building ready to knock the body down, it could've been one of the police officers he had working for him. Those are easily explained away using logic from the movie but even if you couldn't explain those things, the movie was just much more entertaining than this one, which is why it was easier to overlook the plot holes and flaws that it had.

[Blzer]

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I didn't think Batman Begins was that great so I don't care about that one but as far as the Joker, he lied to everyone so you probably shouldn't trust anything he says, especially since everything he did in the movie had been planned. It's pretty easy to imagine that he had someone standing at the top of the building ready to knock the body down, it could've been one of the police officers he had working for him.

That's true about the Joker. Even still, how do they get that by everybody? Haha the bombs, I mean.

Those are easily explained away using logic from the movie but even if you couldn't explain those things, the movie was just much more entertaining than this one, which is why it was easier to overlook the plot holes and flaws that it had.

I guess this is where opinion kicks in, and actually I agree with you that TDK was the superior and more entertaining film. I just didn't let any flaws in TDKR take over too much. Writing and directorial decisions? Maybe. Actual flaws? I think I was okay with most all of them.

[kingkilla56]

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In Batman Begins, how come the water vaporizer didn't blast the wet ground on the streets and the water in the bodies of Gotham's citizens? How did Bruce explain his seven year hiatus to the public after being announced and presumed dead? He even went down the mountain without us showing it, even though they showed him go up the mountain.

In The Dark Knight, how did the Joker rig an entire hospital and two ferries with explosives? Forget that, but don't those things sound like pre-planned events? Didn't he say he's not a kind of guy who plans things? That sounds like off-beat writing to me. Heck, how did the Joker drop the hung Batman impersonator from the top of the building (or at least above the mayor's office), and escape it without being seen?

I just don't see any of these issues to be any more glaring than the ones in the previous two films, and I love all three of them very much.

TDK didnt stress that the Joker did not have the ability to do these things you have posted. In fact, the movie gave off the idea that the Joker was a mastermind as almost all of his plans worked as designed. The movie painted the picture of the Joker where he could create these elaborate scenarios with the constructs the movie presents throughout the film beginning with the first scene of the movie.

In TDKR they stress, hard, that Batman was isolated, a long way from Gotham, broken down, economically broke, essentially the man had no power. So when he climbs out of the hole and instantly shows up at Gotham (a place that was supposedly sealed off from the outside world) it seems puzzling as it contradicts the constructs that the movie presented up to that point with no explanation.

They could have literally said one line about how he got back and Id be fine with it. "Oh Selina you're wondering how I flew half way across the world in a blink of an eye and immediately knew where to find you? Well Bane didn't rid me of all my resources" That simple, vague, little plot device would have been acceptable. But completely ignoring it made it seem lazy; to me at least.

[Watson]

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Actually the biggest thing that bothered me was in the beginning of the Dark Knight, when Joker casually drives the bus out of the bank that had just been robbed and into the line in front of the cops, with it covered in rubble.

[Beantown]

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Actually the biggest thing that bothered me was in the beginning of the Dark Knight, when Joker casually drives the bus out of the bank that had just been robbed and into the line in front of the cops, with it covered in rubble.

Through a massive hole in the wall of the bank. Like...what?