*** LOST: Season 5 Discussion***

[fistofrage]

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I thought it was a pretty lame episode.

Ben got Sayid to beat the crap out of him, possibly disposed of Aaron in the process. Why else would have Sayid been in handcuffs. So he gets him arrested for his beating and has him extradicted. But that is just bad writing if thats the case. No way could you have someone extradicted that fast after a violent crime. If they simply wanted to recreate the Marshall and Kate in handcuffs they could have just put Kate in cuffs once she got on the plane with a fake Marshall.

Are they introducing a new character at this juncture? The guy in 1st class, who is he supposed to represent?

A few odd Ben inconsistancies that may just be bad writing. In the previous episode when Sun, Jack and Ben were in the van, Sun asked Ben why its taking so long to get to where they were going and Ben responded that he didn't account for traffic......It was late at night and no other cars were on the road.

On the Plane with Jack, Ben says his mother taught him how to read. His mother died at child birth.

One other odd thing. It appears that Ben controlled the timing of the plane getting back to the island. There was a flash shortly after Ben got up and they were back on the island.

So here's the deal with that flash. The Island is still moving through time, and the plane was over the island. When they returned its back in the 70's or 80's. So its clear that Locke didn't stop the island from traveling when he turned the wheel.

Another inconsistancy would be that if they were in the plane when the time flashed, guess what, that plane they were flying in wasn't there in the 70's so they basically free fell thousands of feet. Nice. The same way Locke fell in the well because the well didn't exist when it flashed backwards in time.

[ehh]

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One other odd thing. It appears that Ben controlled the timing of the plane getting back to the island. There was a flash shortly after Ben got up and they were back on the island.

So here's the deal with that flash. The Island is still moving through time, and the plane was over the island. When they returned its back in the 70's or 80's. So its clear that Locke didn't stop the island from traveling when he turned the wheel.

I actually thought that Jack finally reading Locke's suicide note was what triggered the flash.

I also don't think that the wheel is suppose to stop the Island from travelling, as Eloise said the Island is constantly moving. Locke was just realigning the wheel so the Island stopped skipping through time.

[Money99]

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I thought it was a pretty lame episode.

Ben got Sayid to beat the crap out of him, possibly disposed of Aaron in the process. Why else would have Sayid been in handcuffs. So he gets him arrested for his beating and has him extradicted. But that is just bad writing if thats the case. No way could you have someone extradicted that fast after a violent crime. If they simply wanted to recreate the Marshall and Kate in handcuffs they could have just put Kate in cuffs once she got on the plane with a fake Marshall.

Are they introducing a new character at this juncture? The guy in 1st class, who is he supposed to represent?

A few odd Ben inconsistencies that may just be bad writing. In the previous episode when Sun, Jack and Ben were in the van, Sun asked Ben why its taking so long to get to where they were going and Ben responded that he didn't account for traffic......It was late at night and no other cars were on the road.

On the Plane with Jack, Ben says his mother taught him how to read. His mother died at child birth.

One other odd thing. It appears that Ben controlled the timing of the plane getting back to the island. There was a flash shortly after Ben got up and they were back on the island.

So here's the deal with that flash. The Island is still moving through time, and the plane was over the island. When they returned its back in the 70's or 80's. So its clear that Locke didn't stop the island from traveling when he turned the wheel.

Another inconsistancy would be that if they were in the plane when the time flashed, guess what, that plane they were flying in wasn't there in the 70's so they basically free fell thousands of feet. Nice. The same way Locke fell in the well because the well didn't exist when it flashed backwards in time.

I agree fistorage.
I'm still kind of worried that the writers are just throwing things at a wall and hoping it sticks.
Since season 3 you can tell they're just trying to fill up all the episodes just to get to 100 shows (for $yndication).

I have a feeling that the island will stop floating through time when Desmond returns to the island.

But if I can complain for a minute, I'm kind of bummed about how everything has taken a severe science-fiction turn. The whole 'wormholes' in time and space is not something I was expecting. And it's not a subject that really turns my crank.

Daniel's mom says they found these pockets of energy but 'they knew there was an island'. I hope it's revealed how knowledge of this island is known. Part of me worries that it'll never be explained and it's an easy and lame way for the writers to explain the interest in this island.

I'm also very concerned that the NUMBERS will never be revealed as well.

All in all, I'm really hoping that the ending will be worth the journey. This is basically the only show I follow on TV religiously. So I hope me investing 7 years isn't going to lead to a big disappointment.

[aholbert32]

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I agree fistorage.
I'm still kind of worried that the writers are just throwing things at a wall and hoping it sticks.
Since season 3 you can tell they're just trying to fill up all the episodes just to get to 100 shows (for $yndication).

I have a feeling that the island will stop floating through time when Desmond returns to the island.

But if I can complain for a minute, I'm kind of bummed about how everything has taken a severe science-fiction turn. The whole 'wormholes' in time and space is not something I was expecting. And it's not a subject that really turns my crank.

Daniel's mom says they found these pockets of energy but 'they knew there was an island'. I hope it's revealed how knowledge of this island is known. Part of me worries that it'll never be explained and it's an easy and lame way for the writers to explain the interest in this island.

I'm also very concerned that the NUMBERS will never be revealed as well.

All in all, I'm really hoping that the ending will be worth the journey. This is basically the only show I follow on TV religiously. So I hope me investing 7 years isn't going to lead to a big disappointment.

FYI, 100 isnt the magic number for syndication any more. Technically its already in Syndication with the G4 and SciFi channel broadcasts. They really dont need to fill up the episodes because they are guaranteed to get 30+ more episodes.

[fistofrage]

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I agree fistorage.
I'm still kind of worried that the writers are just throwing things at a wall and hoping it sticks.
Since season 3 you can tell they're just trying to fill up all the episodes just to get to 100 shows (for $yndication).

I have a feeling that the island will stop floating through time when Desmond returns to the island.

But if I can complain for a minute, I'm kind of bummed about how everything has taken a severe science-fiction turn. The whole 'wormholes' in time and space is not something I was expecting. And it's not a subject that really turns my crank.

Daniel's mom says they found these pockets of energy but 'they knew there was an island'. I hope it's revealed how knowledge of this island is known. Part of me worries that it'll never be explained and it's an easy and lame way for the writers to explain the interest in this island.

I'm also very concerned that the NUMBERS will never be revealed as well.

All in all, I'm really hoping that the ending will be worth the journey. This is basically the only show I follow on TV religiously. So I hope me investing 7 years isn't going to lead to a big disappointment.

The numbers have been revealed, just coincidence. They mean nothing. They may have been a passcode for something but its insignificant. So you've already thrown countless hours of your life away contemplating what the purpose is.

I have a question....Aren't there really 2 islands?

Remember when Sawyer and Kate were held captive and Jack worked with the Smirk to get them released. They were on a different island right? Also Sawyer was on the run and looked out over the horizon and relaized it would do him no good to run any further. What was that about.

And I agree Money, the writers are throwing out twists and turns to keep us occupied and thinking there is some great meaning behind it, but they'll never explain half of this stuff. They most likely read the forums and blogs about theories in the off-season and change their writing when the public gets close to predicting what should logically happen next. Yes I believe they had a general concept about what the island was about, but how they went about explaining it and what they plan onm showing next was never written in stone. Like with last nights episode, it was just filler. Watch it again and you'll see what I mean. They never went about telling how they rounded everyone up to get on the plane, that will take another few more episodes.

Why didn't Walt or a cast of the losties that dies on the island have to be on the plane again? Didn't Hawking say they had to recreate it as close as possible?

What was Jack's Grandad's name? What was the significance in him trying to escape that retirement home? That whole scene was most likely just filler too. I mean they could have had him just pull an old pair of his dad's wingtips out of his closet and say he'd been keeping them since his Mom sent him a box of his dead dad's belongings.

[Skerik]

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I think Ben went to kill Penny. This is why he was at the docks and this is why the island isn't done with Desmond yet - he will eventually return to take revenge on Ben. When Ben says he has to go "fulfill a promise to an old friend" or whatever, he means his promise to Widmore that he's going to kill Penny.

I think Charlie told Hurley about the flight - hence the guitar. I think Kate is now pregnant and she represents Claire on the 316 flight. And I think Sayid's "capture" is potentially staged to mimic Kate's situation on the original 815 flight because there's really no justification for immediate extradition to Guam of all places.

I also suspect that the marshall escorting Sayid, and the man who offered condolences to Jack in the ticket line, are both working for Widmore.

I don't think Ben's comment about his mother teaching him to read was bad writing so much as it was a reminder to us, the viewers, that Ben is a liar through and through. I wonder who built the Lamp Post station and wrote all those equations. And I also wonder if Charlotte learned Korean from Jin.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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But if I can complain for a minute, I'm kind of bummed about how everything has taken a severe science-fiction turn. The whole 'wormholes' in time and space is not something I was expecting. And it's not a subject that really turns my crank.

As if the show had never touched on sci-fi themes before...the hatch, electromagnetic energy, giant smoke monster, etc.

Normally I'm not one to say "stop watching" but of all the shows on TV you really can't say LOST is just throwing stuff at the wall. They know exactly how many hours they have left to write, and have known as much since the end of Season Three, when ABC and the writers agreed on the six seasons (they were admittedly gimped with the writer's strike last season).

If you ask me, the last couple seasons have been much more concise and directed.

And for all the talk of Walt, he and Michael were allowed to leave...Michael just couldn't let it go and was haunted by his guilt, IMO, leading to his return and death. Ben and Locke both warned Jack and the rest of the "Six" that if they left things would be catastrophic, thus they weren't supposed to leave.

[ehh]

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But if I can complain for a minute, I'm kind of bummed about how everything has taken a severe science-fiction turn. The whole 'wormholes' in time and space is not something I was expecting. And it's not a subject that really turns my crank.

That has been my biggest gripe with S5, this is pretty much a full fledged sci-fi show at the moment. I liked how it had sci-fi elements throughout the first four seasons but the show was unmistakeably a drama with small traces of sci-fi.

The other thing that has dawned on me is that in the big picture of the plot the O6 leaving the Island may essentially be filler. They leave, they comeback and we are where we were at the end of S3. Sure, there were some OMG moments along the way and we've learned more about Widmore but we're going to be back to a point where everyone is on the Island again. Some people think that S6 is going to be about a war with Widmore over "ownership" of the Island and if that's the case then we could have pretty much skipped S4 and S5 and gotten to that point.

[Money99]

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That has been my biggest gripe with S5, this is pretty much a full fledged sci-fi show at the moment. I liked how it had sci-fi elements throughout the first four seasons but the show was unmistakeably a drama with small traces of sci-fi.

That's a better way of putting what I was trying to say.
And it doesn't help that at the very beginning the producers said that everything could be explained by science. But then half way thru season 4 they retracted that statement.

I like that the show was once 'grounded' in some kind of believability. But not anymore.
There's too many holes in the writing - as described by many here.

[Coug00]

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I also suspect that the marshall escorting Sayid, and the man who offered condolences to Jack in the ticket line, are both working for Widmore.

Agreed. And I think that's who was shooting at Sawyer/Smirk/Locke in the canoes. Remember, the people they stole the canoe from had water bottles from Ajira Airlines.

[Money99]

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Agreed. And I think that's who was shooting at Sawyer/Smirk/Locke in the canoes. Remember, the people they stole the canoe from had water bottles from Ajira Airlines.

Excellent pickup! Nice!

[soltrain]

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Agreed. And I think that's who was shooting at Sawyer/Smirk/Locke in the canoes. Remember, the people they stole the canoe from had water bottles from Ajira Airlines.

In the preview for next week you see Locke talking to the girl who was escorting Sayid. I'm assuming Sayid was tricked or something.

[soltrain]

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I thought it was a pretty lame episode.

Ben got Sayid to beat the crap out of him, possibly disposed of Aaron in the process. Why else would have Sayid been in handcuffs. So he gets him arrested for his beating and has him extradicted. But that is just bad writing if thats the case. No way could you have someone extradicted that fast after a violent crime. If they simply wanted to recreate the Marshall and Kate in handcuffs they could have just put Kate in cuffs once she got on the plane with a fake Marshall.

Are they introducing a new character at this juncture? The guy in 1st class, who is he supposed to represent?

A few odd Ben inconsistancies that may just be bad writing. In the previous episode when Sun, Jack and Ben were in the van, Sun asked Ben why its taking so long to get to where they were going and Ben responded that he didn't account for traffic......It was late at night and no other cars were on the road.

On the Plane with Jack, Ben says his mother taught him how to read. His mother died at child birth.

One other odd thing. It appears that Ben controlled the timing of the plane getting back to the island. There was a flash shortly after Ben got up and they were back on the island.

So here's the deal with that flash. The Island is still moving through time, and the plane was over the island. When they returned its back in the 70's or 80's. So its clear that Locke didn't stop the island from traveling when he turned the wheel.

Another inconsistancy would be that if they were in the plane when the time flashed, guess what, that plane they were flying in wasn't there in the 70's so they basically free fell thousands of feet. Nice. The same way Locke fell in the well because the well didn't exist when it flashed backwards in time.

It was never said Locke would stop the Island from traveling in time by turning the wheel. I think him turning the wheel means they are "stuck" in a time right now, and that time is when Dharma was there. And the flash was probably them getting sucked into the Island, not another time jump. I don't think the Island returns to "real time" until Desmond does whatever is left for him.

And as for Ben saying his mom taught him how to read...well...Ben is a pathological liar, isn't he? And as for the "didn't account for traffic." Cmon, man. That is just way too nitpicky. And the lady being transported by Sayid is talking to Locke next week what looks like a flashback. The only one that really confuses me is to why Hurley is there.

And I think the "old friend" Ben was referring to was Widmore, and he went to kill Penny and got his *** kicked by Desmond in the process.

[fistofrage]

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It was never said Locke would stop the Island from traveling in time by turning the wheel. I think him turning the wheel means they are "stuck" in a time right now, and that time is when Dharma was there. And the flash was probably them getting sucked into the Island, not another time jump. I don't think the Island returns to "real time" until Desmond does whatever is left for him.

And as for Ben saying his mom taught him how to read...well...Ben is a pathological liar, isn't he? And as for the "didn't account for traffic." Cmon, man. That is just way too nitpicky. And the lady being transported by Sayid is talking to Locke next week what looks like a flashback. The only one that really confuses me is to why Hurley is there.

And I think the "old friend" Ben was referring to was Widmore, and he went to kill Penny and got his *** kicked by Desmond in the process.

I don't think thats the case, when we last saw the Losties, they were most likely hundreds of years in the past before there was a well right? Unless they flashed since then. I think that flash in the plane was a time jump.

Here's the other thing I don't get........

Jin is a time traveler, right? I mean he flashies through time with the rest of the Losties.

For Jin to be part of the Dharma intitiative, the Losties would have had to flash into the Dharma time period and then Jin would have had to have time to assimilate into Dharma. Either way, this process would take time.

Jack, Hurley, and Bugs Bunny can't be just visiting a point in time of "When" and seeing Jin because Jin isn't a "When", he's a traveler. So what I am saying is that if they are seeing Jin the Dharma guy, there must also be a Jin the Lostie on the island at the same time.

Doesn't make sense.

[boomhauertjs]

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I like the theory that Kate is pregnant. Maybe that is why she got busy with Jack the night before the flight. Someone told her she needed to be pregnant when she went on the flight. Because Aaron wasn't born yet, he didn't need to be on the flight.