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  • Blzer
    Resident film pundit
    • Mar 2004
    • 42554

    #2011
    Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

    Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
    What exactly does it do? You have me curious.
    The best way to explain it, without having experienced it yet for myself, is that it gives the effect that you're been looking at a hazy, uncleaned window your whole life, and someone came in and cleaned it spotless. If you're looking out on a sunshiny day, you are going to ask yourself how you ever went without it.

    It clears up your image. It finds unwanted distortions in your image, and works on it by getting rid of them. It also seems to give your image more contrast, sharpness, and depth. When I say all three things, you have to completely understand that it's not there to crush blacks, give edge-enhancement, or take things out of focus. In fact, another way that projection owners have said was that it's as if you've been watching TV with your projector out of focus your entire life, until you turn on the Darblet.

    I'll start linking up reviews and impressions that explain it best, but there are things I can assure you:

    - This is not a scam.

    - HT enthusiasts and videophiles swear by this product.

    - It is not tarnishing of your video quality in any way (assuming you work with proper settings). Like I said, it's like lifting a haze from your window screen.

    - It doesn't mess with your calibration settings. Calibrate your TV, then equip this bad boy. It's the best possible way to watch your television.

    - The better the source material, the better the Darblet will be taking action on your image. If you're watching something in SD on a small television, not only are you not really getting anything out of it, but it might try and work with distortions that are supposed to be there by nature of SD, and tweak things you don't want tweaked. On Blu-ray films, especially the best of the best, it does wonders.

    - Professionals have tried to calibrate their televisions and projectors to what the Darbee does with your picture, and they can't get it without other side-effects (as I said before, like EE ringing or shadow delineation, etc). It's like you've upgraded your television without getting a new one. As one person put it, most people spend upwards to thousands of dollars to get even less than the desired effect that the Darblet gives you for less than $300.

    - It has a few simple settings you can use to tweak it, and some people "set it and forget it," while others change it based on the content. You can obviously be safe with one setting, but then there might be some things where you're not taking enough advantage of it. Find your setting(s) that you like, and you'll be set, no pun intended.

    - This is the best price you'll get it at before it raises up to $299 in a couple of weeks.



    EDIT: Here are some impressions:

    http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/darbeevision-darblet/ (read comments below as well)

    BFJ posted some reviews on his first post about this, so read those as well. AVS Forum also has a full thread of impressions here:

     Does anyone on the forum have one of these yet and if so, any impressions?
    Last edited by Blzer; 09-02-2012, 12:04 PM.
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    • Blzer
      Resident film pundit
      • Mar 2004
      • 42554

      #2012
      Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

      Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
      I did order from AVS. I believe I got mine from the new batch you speak of. I checked the firmware the Darbee shipped with & it is the most updated
      Ah, now I realize where you made your post about it in the thread. Check several pages back, and you'll see this one person talking about his reset quite a bit, and then another one saying he had it as well. It doesn't seem like a common issue, but it's not isolated either.
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      • Cpre5
        Blowing bubbles
        • Jul 2002
        • 3100

        #2013
        Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

        Anyone have personal experience with the costco Sharp 70C8470?
        I have a sharp 45" for 6 years now and would like to jump up in size and tech.
        I spend most of my time gaming with PS3 or watching sports, and figured anything new would looks amazing verse my old TV.
        However TV tech is not my world.

        Things I like about the8470

        Size
        AquoMotion 480
        Free 3d glasses

        However my understanding the 480 is kinda of a fudge factor, right?

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        • authentic
          All Star
          • Jul 2009
          • 5812

          #2014
          Originally posted by Cpre5
          Anyone have personal experience with the costco Sharp 70C8470?
          I have a sharp 45" for 6 years now and would like to jump up in size and tech.
          I spend most of my time gaming with PS3 or watching sports, and figured anything new would looks amazing verse my old TV.
          However TV tech is not my world.

          Things I like about the8470

          Size
          AquoMotion 480
          Free 3d glasses

          However my understanding the 480 is kinda of a fudge factor, right?
          I have a 60 inch Sharp and love it. Sharp and Samsung are the kings of LED. Can't go wrong with either of them.


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          • GAMEC0CK2002
            Stayin Alive
            • Aug 2002
            • 10384

            #2015
            Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

            Looks like Best Buy has some pretty good deals on HDTVs. Can't believe we are already just 2 1/2 months away from another Black Friday. This year has flown by.


            Black Friday for me will be (no more fighting the crowds)

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            • Scott
              Your Go-to TV Expert
              • Jul 2002
              • 20032

              #2016
              Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

              My girlfriend has a membership at Sam's Club, I know where I'll be buying my next TV at...
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              • Blzer
                Resident film pundit
                • Mar 2004
                • 42554

                #2017
                Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                My DarbeeVision Darblet came today.

                The better the source material you're looking at, the higher you can crank it up, and the more wowed you will be. Not like it's improving your image twofold, but I'd say a good 10-15% at the very least, depending on what you're looking at. I tried out How to Train Your Dragon, Tangled 3D, Person of Interest, and some HD programming. All of them made a substantial improvement, but the first two were the best to try.

                Honestly, it's like your television was a bit out of focus before, and this is tapping its full potential. The bigger the screen, the bigger the improvements will be IMO.

                EDIT: And wow, playing games is just awesome. I haven't played too many games on my PS3 lately (been out of the house so I've used my Vita more often), but now I'm just up at 6:30 in the morning so I can get a game of The Show in before I get on with my 9-to-5. The shadows and the pop, especially in the backdrop and balls in play, are just fantastic. The reason games get such praise are because you can raise the percentage a whole lot more without making things look too "artificial."
                Last edited by Blzer; 09-08-2012, 08:51 AM.
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                • authentic
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 5812

                  #2018
                  Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                  Originally posted by Blzer
                  My DarbeeVision Darblet came today.

                  The better the source material you're looking at, the higher you can crank it up, and the more wowed you will be. Not like it's improving your image twofold, but I'd say a good 10-15% at the very least, depending on what you're looking at. I tried out How to Train Your Dragon, Tangled 3D, Person of Interest, and some HD programming. All of them made a substantial improvement, but the first two were the best to try.

                  Honestly, it's like your television was a bit out of focus before, and this is tapping its full potential. The bigger the screen, the bigger the improvements will be IMO.

                  EDIT: And wow, playing games is just awesome. I haven't played too many games on my PS3 lately (been out of the house so I've used my Vita more often), but now I'm just up at 6:30 in the morning so I can get a game of The Show in before I get on with my 9-to-5. The shadows and the pop, especially in the backdrop and balls in play, are just fantastic. The reason games get such praise are because you can raise the percentage a whole lot more without making things look too "artificial."
                  Blzer, where did you buy yours from. I am trying to get one of these ordered but I can't decided whether I want to trust a Amazon user or not. He's selling it for 249$.
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                  • authentic
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                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5812

                    #2019
                    Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                    Ended up ordering the Darblet just now. Should be here the 10th or 11th.
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                    • Blzer
                      Resident film pundit
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 42554

                      #2020
                      Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                      Copying my PM here.

                      I got mine from AVS.

                      It's definitely worth it for me, but you have to know why you're getting it.

                      It's basically the calibration tweaks that everyone doesn't have. You want to crank your contrast to 115 and turn the sharpness up to 50 without having any artificially added drawbacks in the image, but that's impossible. Or is it? The Darblet solves those problems.

                      It's best used with already good looking material, though. It enhances what's on screen, so it will also enhance the crap that could be on an image as well. I can't think of a single video game that wouldn't shine from this, though.

                      And yes, IMO it's worth buying. As I sort of said in a post, people will spend thousands of dollars just to upgrade their televisions to get close to the visual improvement that the Darblet gives you. Even then, you need to pay for professional calibration, etc. For < $300, this one is definitely worth the investment if it's the improvement that you have desired.

                      EDIT: I do want to add a caveat, though: I wouldn't call it an "acquired taste," but depending on how much you try and push it, the picture really can become more detailed than you're used to. In reality, it's a good thing, but you'll almost feel like something is wrong simply because it is so right. Not that the picture looks bad, but quite the opposite: you almost feel it's wrong that your picture is that detailed, like you shouldn't have that much picture. Give it a second to sit in, try to stop A/B'ing the Darblet, and you will fall in love really, really quickly.
                      Last edited by Blzer; 09-08-2012, 10:38 PM.
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                      • bigfnjoe96
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 11410

                        #2021
                        I'm glad to hear your enjoying your Darblet Blzr. I too am enjoying mine.

                        The detail the Darblet gives off is stunning with the right material source material. Right now I'm running it between 50-65 both in HD & Gaming Mode depending on source material.

                        Right now were watching The Grey & the picture looks great with the Darblet set @ 60.

                        The only draw back as stated is if the source has noise the Darblet also enhances the noise.



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                        • Blzer
                          Resident film pundit
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 42554

                          #2022
                          Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                          Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                          I'm glad to hear your enjoying your Darblet Blzr. I too am enjoying mine.

                          The detail the Darblet gives off is stunning with the right material source material. Right now I'm running it between 50-65 both in HD & Gaming Mode depending on source material.

                          Right now were watching The Grey & the picture looks great with the Darblet set @ 60.

                          The only draw back as stated is if the source has noise the Darblet also enhances the noise.



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                          I was fiddling between Hi Def and Gaming as well. I was literally trying Gaming for games and other computer-generated things because it seemed to deliver a little more shadow effects, which was a good thing. The problem I noticed when playing The Show, though, was there was a bit of crosstalk with objects. I noticed it with the pitching meter, a little bit when the ball came into the plate, and with the broadcast fielding cam when the players were in front of grass. I think whatever adds the shadow effects also added this. So I'm probably just going to stick with Hi Def for everything.

                          I'm getting my set calibrated for free from Best Buy Geek Squad in two weeks, so maybe that will change my ability to go up a little bit more with the Darblet when it comes to regular material. Otherwise, for something like Inception (which is shot on film and has a lot of natural grain and many shots with boasted midtones), going above 45% was pretty difficult.
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                          • 55
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 20857

                            #2023
                            Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                            Blzer, you're really tempting me to pick up one of those things in the near future.

                            Perhaps by week 2 of NFL games, even...

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                            • Blzer
                              Resident film pundit
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 42554

                              #2024
                              Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                              Originally posted by 55
                              Blzer, you're really tempting me to pick up one of those things in the near future.

                              Perhaps by week 2 of NFL games, even...
                              You better order now, then. It took me six days to get mine.

                              And I don't know if I'll get enough out of NFL games myself, because I have Comcast (which compresses the hell out of everything). DirecTV owners will have a much better shake with it. I still use it for everything, though.

                              Watching Taken now with it at 50% Hi Def (should probably be at 40-45% though), and of course, I love A/B'ing everything. Again, the caveat is that so many details show. Actors and actresses who used to look beautiful now show all of their wrinkles and crevices.

                              I don't want to tout that kind of stuff too much and make everyone here think it's the second coming, but the little details (around the edges, the backdrop, grass blades, hair strands, etc.) pop so much more clearly with it. And again, if you have something purely digital, you get to push it a little more.
                              Last edited by Blzer; 09-08-2012, 09:57 PM.
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                              • Blzer
                                Resident film pundit
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 42554

                                #2025
                                Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                                Here are some comparisons of the Darblet switched off versus the Darblet turned onto 45% (mouse over for the comparison).



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