LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[Cusefan]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Smart TVs get whatever apps the company gets, you can't usually load other apps if they're not available through the tv....I doubt there's a Vizio version of WatchESPN, you'll probably have to use a Fire/Roku/PS4/Xbox to use that.

So I will be in the market for a new TV very soon, my budget is $1200 so right now it looks like the Vizio M series will be a solid choice. The real question is whether to wait until the 2016 TVs drop and get a bargain on a 2015 TV.

[Scott]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

So I will be in the market for a new TV very soon, my budget is $1200 so right now it looks like the Vizio M series will be a solid choice. The real question is whether to wait until the 2016 TVs drop and get a bargain on a 2015 TV.

I'd probably wait if it were me..

[Hammerhunker]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

My wife and kids surprised me with the Samsung JS7000 for Christmas. From the get-go have terrible flashlighting even with the backlight setting set low and blue dots everywhere. I am looking at taking it back and exchanging it for the Sony X810C. It has excellent ratings from rtings.com. Very disappointing for me because bless my family's hearts, they went to such efforts in concealing the secret clear up to Christmas morning.

[Cusefan]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Well I know what I am going to do when the time comes for a new TV, I'm going to best buy and buying a open box TV. I was really close to pulling the trigger on this TV : http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-cl...&skuId=3429111 on sale for $1200. It is a killer deal but I simply have no room to put it and moving a 65'' TV around any more than I have to is just bad news.

There are 4 best buys within 20 minutes of me, When the time comes I will just check up on them every few days or so.

[mgoblue]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Well I know what I am going to do when the time comes for a new TV, I'm going to best buy and buying a open box TV. I was really close to pulling the trigger on this TV : http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-cl...&skuId=3429111 on sale for $1200. It is a killer deal but I simply have no room to put it and moving a 65'' TV around any more than I have to is just bad news.

There are 4 best buys within 20 minutes of me, When the time comes I will just check up on them every few days or so.

Yeah....otherwise I would wait on the Vizio price drops....

I'm interested this summer/fall what some of the 60-65" ones go for....hoping it drops enough so when I have money i can jump lol

[Scott]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Just ordered the Epson 2045 from BB for $849 with $300 back in giftcards also

[Molarmite]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I've seen a couple of movies in IMAX 3D for the first time and I know I'm a few years behind but I was thinking that whole experience would be awesome in houses. Why hasn't it caught on?

Is the technology not as good as IMAX? Too expensive? Not practical for a 55" screen? People don't like the glasses?

I'd love to read a good article on the current state and future of 3D TV's in houses.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I've seen a couple of movies in IMAX 3D for the first time and I know I'm a few years behind but I was thinking that whole experience would be awesome in houses. Why hasn't it caught on?

Is the technology not as good as IMAX? Too expensive? Not practical for a 55" screen? People don't like the glasses?

I'd love to read a good article on the current state and future of 3D TV's in houses.

What are you talking about? 3D TV's?

Not sure where you're at, but it has certainly "caught on." How often do people use 3D on their TV? I don't very much, especially considering nobody broadcasts live content in 3D. There are 3D Blu-rays, though.

It's sad that while the PS3 supported 3D games, the PS4 never seemed to do the same. Even Uncharted 3 and Zen Pinball 2, games that are both available to play in 3D on PS3, are not so on the PS4 (or as so I recall). I always thought Rocket League would have been a great 3D experience.

Anyway, most TV's today have 3D functionality, but many people just don't use it that often because it's not a plentiful format except for with films. My Samsung 59" D7000 in my bedroom has great 3D capability when Cinema Smooth is turned off, but it has a bad flicker when it is turned on that is borderline nauseating. Unfortunately, my Samsung 60" F8500 in my living room has terrible crosstalk with CS off (and flicker issues with it on, yet again). I can only watch 3D films in my bedroom.

The experience doesn't translate as well at home as it does in movies. The two main reasons are because: 1) you get a little more image in your peripheral vision in the theater, which doesn't make it look like there's an awkward cut-off point; 2) objects don't appear "as large" as they should (on TV) as if you're looking through a window, because they simply aren't as big.

A perfect example of #2 is in the movie Tangled, when they are singing I See the Light while on the rowboat and they let go the two floating lanterns. In a theater, it would look kind of "right" for the two that are in focus because the size looks correct. At your home, they look very minuscule like marshmallows, and it throws off the illusion that what they were holding were instead supposed to be the size of a beach ball.

Nevertheless, I still buy 3D Blu-rays so that I am future-proofed for when I get a bigger TV, a projector, or friends just want to see the 3D experience for themselves. Most all of them come with the 2D BD anyway (except for Avatar), so we're good on that end as well. I think it's cool to have, but a lot has to come into play for you to get the viewing right, including charged glasses for everybody watching, much less a centre-viewing angle for all watching so things don't look like cardboard cutouts.

But I think you would be mistaken to say that people don't have 3D TV's. Almost all 50+ inch Smart TV's that have been released in the past four or five years probably have 3D capabilities. Then again, I might be very wrong when I say that, in which case somebody else should chime in and correct me. I think it's less touted now though because the next big thing has come along: 4K. When OLED becomes more prevalent and cheaper, that will be the next-next touted thing. Then pretty soon we will see the terrible HFR (48 FPS) lauded more often in cinema, and then some company will make 3D displays without a screen (or at the very least 3D without glasses), etc. It just gets all a bit strange, but that's the way that we evolve.

Now, the real question is why hasn't IMAX caught on properly? There are only a few films that I can probably count on my two hands that actually have used IMAX cameras, The Dark Knight being the very first one (and Nolan has since done it with TDKR and Interstellar, as Interstellar was the last movie to be shot in IMAX and released on 65mm IMAX film in theaters). I'm not as intrigued by LieMAX, where they're just showing it on the bigger screen but it's not a true IMAX experience. I only go for the true experience, really. I don't know how many actual IMAX theaters do it anymore. Locally, the only one by me is the SF Metreon. I know some people here have seen "IMAX," but it's not true true IMAX. There is a world of difference when a screen projects an image that is 8 stories tall on 65mm or 70mm print. It is glorious!

[Molarmite]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

What are you talking about? 3D TV's?

Not sure where you're at, but it has certainly "caught on." How often do people use 3D on their TV? I don't very much, especially considering nobody broadcasts live content in 3D. There are 3D Blu-rays, though.

It's sad that while the PS3 supported 3D games, the PS4 never seemed to do the same. Even Uncharted 3 and Zen Pinball 2, games that are both available to play in 3D on PS3, are not so on the PS4 (or as so I recall). I always thought Rocket League would have been a great 3D experience.

Anyway, most TV's today have 3D functionality, but many people just don't use it that often because it's not a plentiful format except for with films. My Samsung 59" D7000 in my bedroom has great 3D capability when Cinema Smooth is turned off, but it has a bad flicker when it is turned on that is borderline nauseating. Unfortunately, my Samsung 60" F8500 in my living room has terrible crosstalk with CS off (and flicker issues with it on, yet again). I can only watch 3D films in my bedroom.

The experience doesn't translate as well at home as it does in movies. The two main reasons are because: 1) you get a little more image in your peripheral vision in the theater, which doesn't make it look like there's an awkward cut-off point; 2) objects don't appear "as large" as they should (on TV) as if you're looking through a window, because they simply aren't as big.

A perfect example of #2 is in the movie Tangled, when they are singing I See the Light while on the rowboat and they let go the two floating lanterns. In a theater, it would look kind of "right" for the two that are in focus because the size looks correct. At your home, they look very minuscule like marshmallows, and it throws off the illusion that what they were holding were instead supposed to be the size of a beach ball.

Nevertheless, I still buy 3D Blu-rays so that I am future-proofed for when I get a bigger TV, a projector, or friends just want to see the 3D experience for themselves. Most all of them come with the 2D BD anyway (except for Avatar), so we're good on that end as well. I think it's cool to have, but a lot has to come into play for you to get the viewing right, including charged glasses for everybody watching, much less a centre-viewing angle for all watching so things don't look like cardboard cutouts.

But I think you would be mistaken to say that people don't have 3D TV's. Almost all 50+ inch Smart TV's that have been released in the past four or five years probably have 3D capabilities. Then again, I might be very wrong when I say that, in which case somebody else should chime in and correct me. I think it's less touted now though because the next big thing has come along: 4K. When OLED becomes more prevalent and cheaper, that will be the next-next touted thing. Then pretty soon we will see the terrible HFR (48 FPS) lauded more often in cinema, and then some company will make 3D displays without a screen (or at the very least 3D without glasses), etc. It just gets all a bit strange, but that's the way that we evolve.

Now, the real question is why hasn't IMAX caught on properly? There are only a few films that I can probably count on my two hands that actually have used IMAX cameras, The Dark Knight being the very first one (and Nolan has since done it with TDKR and Interstellar, as Interstellar was the last movie to be shot in IMAX and released on 65mm IMAX film in theaters). I'm not as intrigued by LieMAX, where they're just showing it on the bigger screen but it's not a true IMAX experience. I only go for the true experience, really. I don't know how many actual IMAX theaters do it anymore. Locally, the only one by me is the SF Metreon. I know some people here have seen "IMAX," but it's not true true IMAX. There is a world of difference when a screen projects an image that is 8 stories tall on 65mm or 70mm print. It is glorious!

Maybe I am behind because no one I know has a 3D TV. I have rich friends that can afford the best TV's, I have tech savvy friends that want the most advanced technology but no one has a 3D TV or has even mentioned a 3D TV to me before in passing. It never even comes up with whole Plasma/LCD, 4k/OLED discussion.

I will agree with you on why IMAX technology hasn't caught on. I remember TDKR was one of the prettiest movies I've ever seen and that was on a crappy TV I had when the movie came out.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Maybe I am behind because no one I know has a 3D TV. I have rich friends that can afford the best TV's, I have tech savvy friends that want the most advanced technology but no one has a 3D TV or has even mentioned a 3D TV to me before in passing. It never even comes up with whole Plasma/LCD, 4k/OLED discussion.

Did a quick run-up on the highest priced HDTV's at Best Buy. I mistook "recent televisions" for "top of the line." As a high school teacher I'm not bragging about my own HT equipment by any means, but when I do research on televisions I don't ever settle for "second best" at the time. Meaning, if there are two models for the same year (and the same format) and one is a superior version, I ignore the other one. The majority of the elite models all do 3D.

That being said, once you run under $2000 you're getting a fair mix of both 3D and non-3D. Down until about the $1899.99 mark (I'm considering the sale price only), there were 28 panels that supported 3D, and 8 that did not. So many of the expensive sets seemed to support 3D. Furthermore, the top 9 most expensive sets all had 3D, while the 10th was the first not to. It just shows the more expensive that you consider for television costs, the more likely it is to support 3D. I guess that makes sense, since 3D is probably an expense all on its own.

So, I made a faulty assumption regarding recent sets simply having 3D. However, if you're getting a flagship model, you can almost assure yourself it will have 3D.

I will agree with you on why IMAX technology hasn't caught on. I remember TDKR was one of the prettiest movies I've ever seen and that was on a crappy TV I had when the movie came out.

Well, resolution-wise perhaps (or just the look of film in general), but the cinematography left a lot to be desired.

[Molarmite]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Did a quick run-up on the highest priced HDTV's at Best Buy. I mistook "recent televisions" for "top of the line." As a high school teacher I'm not bragging about my own HT equipment by any means, but when I do research on televisions I don't ever settle for "second best" at the time. Meaning, if there are two models for the same year (and the same format) and one is a superior version, I ignore the other one. The majority of the elite models all do 3D.

That being said, once you run under $2000 you're getting a fair mix of both 3D and non-3D. Down until about the $1899.99 mark (I'm considering the sale price only), there were 28 panels that supported 3D, and 8 that did not. So many of the expensive sets seemed to support 3D. Furthermore, the top 9 most expensive sets all had 3D, while the 10th was the first not to. It just shows the more expensive that you consider for television costs, the more likely it is to support 3D. I guess that makes sense, since 3D is probably an expense all on its own.

So, I made a faulty assumption regarding recent sets simply having 3D. However, if you're getting a flagship model, you can almost assure yourself it will have 3D.



Well, resolution-wise perhaps (or just the look of film in general), but the cinematography left a lot to be desired.

Well there's our problem, neither I nor any of my friends or family, consider $1899 even a considerable price to pay for a TV. Anything above $1000 is way above our price range. My dad bought the best TV I've ever seen for $600, a Sharp 55". That has raised my standards and now I expect to get an amazing experience for around $800 which is the area I've never seen a 3D TV but I've seen amazing 1080p quality.

[23]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Theyre definitely about to unload those older tvs for the superbowl but its always best towards holiday time

[dickey1331]

Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I have a LG 4K TV and it doesn't have 3D. The LG 1080p in my bedroom has 3D but I never use it.

[mgoblue]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Vizio and others started dropping 3D as well....in action it just never proved that popular among people. Having to have add on glasses charged, enough for people in the room, proper seating arrangements, etc.

TV makers rather add on other features people use more....especially ones like Vizio that try to be more competitive with their prices. Top end I'm sure all just get 3D added on just because.

[Phobia]

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Looks like the wife came home with a new tv today.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio/3793044.p?id=1219603239787&skuId=3793044

Vizio M60-C3
60" LED 240hz 4K Smart

We ended up getting a fantastic deal on it, brand new for $594.