Suicide Squad (2016?)

[RockinDaMike]

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From what I been reading and seeing on youtube, WB got so scared of what happened to BvS that they made another version of what David Ayers wanted to do.

Too many cooks in the kitchen. Just let the director do his job and make the movie with his vision. I really hope they show a directors cut in the blu ray so we can see all those supposed Joker scenes that were deleted.

[Beantown]

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From what I been reading and seeing on youtube, WB got so scared of what happened to BvS that they made another version of what David Ayers wanted to do.

He could just be a good solider, but David Ayer is saying differently himself:

For his part, however, Ayer is standing by his movie. In a recent interview, he insisted that “the released movie is my cut,” though we can probably still expect to see some deleted scenes when Suicide Squad finally makes its way to home video.

yer acknowledged that while plenty of footage was left on the cutting room floor, the final theatrical edit is his cut:

"We have a chunk, there’s definitely over 10 minutes of material on there. But this cut of the movie is my cut, there’s no sort of parallel universe version of the movie, the released movie is my cut. And that’s one of the toughest things about writing, shooting, and directing a film, is you end up with these orphans and you ****ing love them and you think they’d be amazing scenes and do these amazing things but the film is a dictatorship (laughs), not a democracy, and just because something’s cool and charismatic doesn’t mean it gets to survive in the final cut. The flow of the movie is the highest master."

[Blzer]

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He could just be a good solider, but David Ayer is saying differently himself:

That's very interesting because of how I compared this film to a single off a music album. His scenes that he left out, in themselves, were also probably "single-capable" but did not piece as well with the rest of the album.

Case in point, the Joker scenes that are left out would have probably taken a lot of the focus off of the SS members, or it would have heavily unbalanced the character exposure even more than it already is.

[The JareBear]

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I haven't seen it yet but really enjoying the non-spoiler discussions.

I was thinking, is part of the problem with DCU that the biggest DC villains have either already been done, or are connected to heroes that haven't had their time to shine yet?

Two Face, Scarecrow, Bane, Ra's, were just done. Joker 3 is basically a tease in this movie from what I hear. Doomsday, done (still makes me lose sleep at night). Luther can turn out great but maybe needs a few tweaks moving forward.

Zod was done and done well

Sinestro? I mean I think we all wanna pretend that movie never happened. Is there official word if Green Lantern is getting rebooted under Snyders jurisdiction (in the Justice League universe?)

Brainiac, bizzaro, black Adam, vandal savage, Deathstroke, not sure where they would fit in moving forward. They could do Brainiac in a JL movie if they wanted to, I think.

Darkseid seems like he's coming, and Mongul could be with him, which would be great

Reverse Flash, Grodd, I assume we will see something there in the flash standalone(s)

My hope is that Snyderverse takes full advantage of having no connection to all prior films and brings back Two-face, riddler, bane, penguin, and the likes along with this Joker to give batman a proper rogues gallery.

From what I been reading and seeing on youtube, WB got so scared of what happened to BvS that they made another version of what David Ayers wanted to do.

Too many cooks in the kitchen. Just let the director do his job and make the movie with his vision. I really hope they show a directors cut in the blu ray so we can see all those supposed Joker scenes that were deleted.

Yeah it sounds like WB is a little mindscrewed over BvS's critical reception and are second guessing everything to the detriment of their products.

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I feel like my post doesn't make sense. Sorry about that

[Beantown]

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Joker 3 is basically a tease in this movie from what I hear.

He has more than enough time in a film that his only connection to is Harley, in my opinion.

Would I have liked to see more of him? Definitely.

Were there many more spots where it made sense for him to be there? Not really, no. I'm interested in seeing what was cut.

[The JareBear]

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He has more than enough time in a film that his only connection to is Harley, in my opinion.

Would I have liked to see more of him? Definitely.

Were there many more spots where it made sense for him to be there? Not really, no. I'm interested in seeing what was cut.

Well I know I'm not gonna get any likes, but whatever

I believe you, I know others have said the same thing, but just for the sake of discussion....

Would I be wrong by saying that a big deal in terms of marketing this movie was that "Joker is in it," and while I think we all knew he wasn't the main bad guy or whatever ( I still have no idea who the bad guy is), it just seems like that isn't a role you put in the back row. I feel like the majority of discussion regarding this film was about Joker, starting with the first pictures released way back when that lit the Internet on fire.

Again it's probably dumb if me to be discussing anything at all as I haven't seen the film and only have these impressions and critic reviews to go off of.

Like I said earlier, I understand if it's the same concept as not wanting Vader to have too big a role in Rogue One.

[Blzer]

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I understand your question, but I always saw him as a back character in this film. Maybe it's because he wasn't announced with the rest of the initial cast or what have you, but I never expected him to be a big player.

This does go right back back to jeremy's point though: if a Batman film was made, or something that featured The Joker more prominently before this film, there would have not been any hoopla about exposing him more here. I think people will be forgiving about it if any other films highlight him more.

Too much of him in this particular movie would have been a bad thing. It would have been a distraction for the sake of saying, "Look everybody, it's The Joker!" I'm glad he was limited, even if his other scenes could have served as somewhat distinguishable.

[Beantown]

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Like I said earlier, I understand if it's the same concept as not wanting Vader to have too big a role in Rogue One.

From the sounds of it, Joker has much more screen time than Vader is going to have.

He's probably be fifth most important character, screen time wise, as it is. Maybe sixth, at the worst. He's already featured heavier than most of the Squad itself.

Just as a note - my personal rankings of screen time importance in this movie:

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1) Harley
2) Deadshot
3) Waller
4) Enchantress/Joker
5) Joker/Flagg
6) Joker/Flagg
7) Diablo
Everyone else after that.

[TripleCrown9]

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I haven't seen it yet but really enjoying the non-spoiler discussions.

I was thinking, is part of the problem with DCU that the biggest DC villains have either already been done, or are connected to heroes that haven't had their time to shine yet?

Two Face, Scarecrow, Bane, Ra's, were just done. Joker 3 is basically a tease in this movie from what I hear. Doomsday, done (still makes me lose sleep at night). Luther can turn out great but maybe needs a few tweaks moving forward.

Zod was done and done well

Sinestro? I mean I think we all wanna pretend that movie never happened. Is there official word if Green Lantern is getting rebooted under Snyders jurisdiction (in the Justice League universe?)

Brainiac, bizzaro, black Adam, vandal savage, Deathstroke, not sure where they would fit in moving forward. They could do Brainiac in a JL movie if they wanted to, I think.

Darkseid seems like he's coming, and Mongul could be with him, which would be great

Reverse Flash, Grodd, I assume we will see something there in the flash standalone(s)

My hope is that Snyderverse takes full advantage of having no connection to all prior films and brings back Two-face, riddler, bane, penguin, and the likes along with this Joker to give batman a proper rogues gallery.



Yeah it sounds like WB is a little mindscrewed over BvS's critical reception and are second guessing everything to the detriment of their products.

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I feel like my post doesn't make sense. Sorry about that

Yes, and it's called Green Lantern Corps.

[jfsolo]

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Bingo.

The villain is bad. Marvel's villains have also been pretty awful outside of Loki (people seem to only point to Thor 2...all of Iron Man's villains have sucked, Ant-Man's villain wasn't awesome, the first Captian America's villain was a let-down, Winter Soldier was done well but not mind-blowing) so that is just an unfair over-critique.

Also, Leto proved he can pull this Joker off which means the next Batman movie should probably take the mantle for "Best comic book movie villain since The Joker" with...well...The Joker, ha.

Harley, Deadshot and Waller steal the show. I agree that some of Smith's lines seem like they're obviously the ones they went back and edited because they felt a little forced/out-of-place, but overall he actually made me forget that it was Will Smith for long enough.

I actually liked Flagg (man, imagine if that had been Hardy) but I just didn't have any reason to care for him. I liked Croc up until the end. I liked El Diablo, aside from some of his dialogue at the end. Didn't care about Katana or Boomerang. Enchantress was hit or miss.

It's a fun movie, which is what it set out to be, I think. I have zero regrets about seeing it and can't wait to watch it again knowing what I'm getting so I can see if I enjoy it more.

Totally agree with this take.

That's very interesting because of how I compared this film to a single off a music album. His scenes that he left out, in themselves, were also probably "single-capable" but did not piece as well with the rest of the album.

Case in point, the Joker scenes that are left out would have probably taken a lot of the focus off of the SS members, or it would have heavily unbalanced the character exposure even more than it already is.

I understand your question, but I always saw him as a back character in this film. Maybe it's because he wasn't announced with the rest of the initial cast or what have you, but I never expected him to be a big player.

This does go right back back to jeremy's point though: if a Batman film was made, or something that featured The Joker more prominently before this film, there would have not been any hoopla about exposing him more here. I think people will be forgiving about it if any other films highlight him more.

Too much of him in this particular movie would have been a bad thing. It would have been a distraction for the sake of saying, "Look everybody, it's The Joker!" I'm glad he was limited, even if his other scenes could have served as somewhat distinguishable.

He has more than enough time in a film that his only connection to is Harley, in my opinion.

Would I have liked to see more of him? Definitely.

Were there many more spots where it made sense for him to be there? Not really, no. I'm interested in seeing what was cut.

I agree that the Joker had more than enough screen time. If any scenes were to be added in, it should be of some of the the other Squad members besides Harley and Deadshot.

[Stormyhog]

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Saw it this afternoon & I really enjoyed it. Nothing bothered me even the villian wasn't bad to me. I know some would have preferred the Joker to be the main villian but I think he'll be more utilized in a Batman solo film. Even so I think Leto was a great Joker, different I know but it worked for me. I liked how the music was used as it fit the style of the film well. I would give the film an 8/10. It was a fun & that's what matters most to me. I do hope to see an ultimate edition like BvS.

[Blzer]

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Saw it this afternoon & I really enjoyed it. Nothing bothered me even the villian wasn't bad to me. I know some would have preferred the Joker to be the main villian but I think he'll be more utilized in a Batman solo film. Even so I think Leto was a great Joker, different I know but it worked for me. I liked how the music was used as it fit the style of the film well. I would give the film an 8/10. It was a fun & that's what matters most to me. I do hope to see an ultimate edition like BvS.

I wouldn't want The Joker to be the main villain in this film. When they first started shooting the film though, I thought they were going to be tasked to kill some people, and maybe one of their first tasked missions would be to kill The Joker.

Would have been cool if this film was with different missions, then it would certainly have that "fights in different places" kind of pacing that most of these CBM's have.

[RockinDaMike]

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My biggest gripe about this movie was

Spoiler

The mission and villain. Why the hell were these guys used to fight all powerful witch. That's something that the Justice League should have fought, not a bat **** crazy lady, sharpshooter and a guy who can climb stuff fast. Should have been a totally different mission. It would have been awesome to do a an Assault on Arkham story or something similar. Try to get the Joker out instead of him being a side story.

I just hated the 'in case there is a bad Superman that comes we have to make a team" story. If there was a bad superman, the Suicide Squad would get ****ed up. I just hope this is the last of the beam of the light stuff in comic book stories.

The main villain should have been Amanda Waller. I thought Voila Davis was way scarier than Enchantress and her stupid brother.

[ExtremeGamer]

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More thoughts

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Again. I loved it. But it made me even more excited for the Batman movie since Harley and Joker are free, and Harley's bio said she's the one who killed Robin. This universe is becoming much more interesting than how bloated Marvel has become, and anyone can attest how much I love the MCU.

I didn't mind the intros and then putting them right into battle. Also, I liked the panic of creating Task Force X because of the threat of meta humans like Superman. I know someone said that Superman would destroy this group but he would destroy normal soldiers too. These guys would at least stand some sort of chance to have on call as opposed to a group of no bodies. And as we saw in the credits scene, Waller knows of all the other meta humans. Flash, Aquaman, and we assume Cyborg was in there. Maybe Hawkman (Shocked he didn't surprise cameo with it in Midway City) and Green Lantern too. I did love how that gave Bruce Wayne everyone's locations, leading right into the Justice League trailer. Brilliant stuff.

And maybe I read previous posts wrong about the Joker, but he's not a part of Task Force X, so not sure why people expected more screen time than he got. Thought his involvement perfect and the right amount of tease for his DCU future.

That being said. I loved Leto as Joker. Not as dark as Ledger but better than Jack IMO. I think he will make a huge mark with his role though. He's playing him as a gangster and I love that. Joker is a hard character to play as everyone knows. About time we got a new spin on him. But keeping Ace Chemicals storyline present. Oh and how awesome did Arkham Asylum look on that quick shot? I hated it in Nolan's Batman films but it was spot on in Burton's (even though I hated the movies). It's back to spot on again.

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[Leon]

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My biggest gripe about this movie was

Spoiler

The mission and villain. Why the hell were these guys used to fight all powerful witch. That's something that the Justice League should have fought, not a bat **** crazy lady, sharpshooter and a guy who can climb stuff fast. Should have been a totally different mission. It would have been awesome to do a an Assault on Arkham story or something similar. Try to get the Joker out instead of him being a side story.

I just hated the 'in case there is a bad Superman that comes we have to make a team" story. If there was a bad superman, the Suicide Squad would get ****ed up. I just hope this is the last of the beam of the light stuff in comic book stories.

The main villain should have been Amanda Waller. I thought Voila Davis was way scarier than Enchantress and her stupid brother.

Same thing with the Marvel movies though. Why wouldn't the Avengers step in for a world ending threat? See Thor 2 for such an example.

I think it's just something we have to set aside.