Star Wars: Episode IX

[slickdtc]

Star Wars: Episode IX

Been rewatching (or first time watching, in the case of the newer releases) the SW series over the last few weeks... knocked out 8 and Rogue One, did the original trilogy and now going back to the prequels. Just finished Ep1 and... I’m surprised how badly it is crapped on. Some of the acting is bad, but there was a good amount of corny dialogue in the OT. The series as a whole is not nearly as tight as one would think from how popular it is. Which really isn’t a problem, but everyone who is so up in arms over TLJ and RoS seem to forget this whole series, while being a big universe, is a pretty simple story. I guess people wanted 7-9 to be a lot more in depth, complex, better written/told, but it’s kind of followed the same old of the 6 before it.

Probably blasphemy but, I think I like the story of Ep1 better than Ep4, I just think it gets a lot of love because it was the intro to SW and for it’s time was awesome. I was kind of let down going from Rogue One to Ep4... the mystique is more what’s special than the actual substance is my feeling. A lot of the original trilogy feels this way. A ton of nostalgia, special place in the heart and mind, but not sure they hold up that well in the decades it’s been since release (and since my first viewing). Which is probably why my bar for the newer releases is lower than what most probably pegged it at.

I’ll be doing Ep2 and Ep3 in the next week or so, from what I’ve read they’re the low and high points of the prequels (haven’t watched them since release when I was a young teen), but I can confidently say right now my top 3 films are:

Rogue One
ROTJ
Empire

[KSUowls]

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I get why the prequels are trashed. Theybhad their issues and weren't as good as the OT, but I never thought they deserved the vitriol they received.
Jar jar was a terrible character

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since he was never revealed to be the true lord of the sith

, but other than him (and 9 year old anakin in his first time ever flying a space ship saving the day) the phantom menace was fine. We got one of the cooler villains in the series with a great fight scene at the end (alongside one of the best musical scores in cinema).

Episodes 2 and 3 suffered from the actor who played anakin (or maybe just the writing of his character). But they did have some fun action sequences. There were other issues with them, but I never thought they were THAT bad.

I would also say that the prequels dont do a good job at presenting the Trade Federation as an evil entity which must be stopped at all costs, or at least one that presents a major threat to the republic.The true villain is someone else, but there isnt any real suspense that comes across from him or the federation.

They weren't good movies by any means. They were decent star wars films though.

That's my take anyway on why people dont like them. It is hard to have a good action/adventure movie without a good villain.

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[slickdtc]

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Yeah, Jar Jar was obnoxious and Anakin was acted terribly, but that’s what happens when kids act sometimes. As a surprise to myself, I enjoyed the political side of it. I must be getting old. I don’t think I quite understood or cared about the Trade Federation’s actions and chain of events it set off in my viewing as a youngster. Having access to Wiki to read through the storyline along with the movies helps in this day and age too.

I didn’t have too much a problem with Anakin being a hero in a ship out of the blue. Pretty much same as Luke was on the Death Star... great racer/driver, some control or usage of the Force, sure why not?

Obi-Wan’s battle with Darth Maul was badass after Qui-Gon got killed. Maul was way too short lived. I’ll have to see Obi-Wan do it again in the TV series. Heh.

[KSUowls]

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For me, Luke was much older and it was implied that he had at least flown a space ship before, and even used it to shoot things the size of what they were going at in the movie. So while it was the force that ultimately let him land the shot, there was enough there to make it believable that he wasnt a novice pilot. Agreed that the premise of him suddenly jumping in a xwing and being the one to save the say was still silly, but it was much less so than 9 year old recently freed slave whose only flying experience was from a racing pod suddenly winning dog fights in a space ship.

Realism may be a funny thing to complain about in an action movie, especially one with space wizards, but with any story you have to accept what the setting gives you. For the same reason I'm so critical of TLJ (well one of them anyway) I dont like when the story introduces things that dont make sense in the context of the fictional world that has been created.

But I've also read a lot of really bad fiction over the years so maybe I'm just very critical lol.

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[Blzer]

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Well then, maybe you can help me out with one thing because I still don't know which way it's supposed to be (lightspeed question from The Last Jedi):

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Visually insane as the moment was, when Holdo went to light speed and crashed through the federation ships, that got me to start confirming my notion of: "How do they know they won't crash into anything when they're traveling through hyperspace?"

I'm guessing it's because when they're doing it, it's like they're going through a wormhole and not physically blasting away, though that's not what it looks like when they take off or appear since you see them actually leave or come into the shot, respectively. Also, obviously, that would mean that what Holdo did should have been "impossible." I mean, clearly it doesn't just mean going super fast, otherwise they would kill themselves upon taking off or stopping due to instantaneous forces on the body heh.

Now, even if they are essentially traveling through a wormhole, I still don't know how they're able to stop just in time of not hitting any objects. Like, they have to be within nanoseconds of exactness to stop at the right time. I'm guessing they just use coordinates, but what if they run into another ship? After all, they normally do lightspeed travel to enter a fight. I also wonder what would happen if they appeared right into something, like a ship or a planet/moon. That would suck haha.

[KSUowls]

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Well then, maybe you can help me out with one thing because I still don't know which way it's supposed to be (lightspeed question from The Last Jedi):

Spoiler

Visually insane as the moment was, when Holdo went to light speed and crashed through the federation ships, that got me to start confirming my notion of: "How do they know they won't crash into anything when they're traveling through hyperspace?"

I'm guessing it's because when they're doing it, it's like they're going through a wormhole and not physically blasting away, though that's not what it looks like when they take off or appear since you see them actually leave or come into the shot, respectively. Also, obviously, that would mean that what Holdo did should have been "impossible." I mean, clearly it doesn't just mean going super fast, otherwise they would kill themselves upon taking off or stopping due to instantaneous forces on the body heh.

Now, even if they are essentially traveling through a wormhole, I still don't know how they're able to stop just in time of not hitting any objects. Like, they have to be within nanoseconds of exactness to stop at the right time. I'm guessing they just use coordinates, but what if they run into another ship? After all, they normally do lightspeed travel to enter a fight. I also wonder what would happen if they appeared right into something, like a ship or a planet/moon. That would suck haha.

My simple answer is that's just the way it is lol. I'm ok with stories making up their own laws of physics (figuratively or literally) so long as they don't contradict them later on (hint) .

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The more science-y explanation is that the hyperspace isn't physical space. As you say it is like a sort of wormhole. By traveling through this other dimension then ships don't have to worry about hitting a random space rock (or other ships, hint #2). I think most science fiction stories use similar explanations when talking about FTL travel.

Which is why there is no way to make sense of the Holdo kamikaze scene within the context of Star Wars. Obviously there is the question of why would it have not been used against the death star or other imperial structures in the past, but it also calls brings up the question that you're asking. We know that hyperdrives aren't exactly scarce in the SW universe, and, even as vast as space is, it is hard to imagine that there wouldn't be accidents of ships hitting something between on their way to their destination if they were simply traveling really fast through physical space. So, why Holdo is able to suddenly use her ship as a battering ram...yeah no clue.

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During RoS when Poe was "hyperspace skipping", didn't he actually go through a planet? I can't remember if he did or not, but if so then that just makes the TLJ scene even worse

[Armor and Sword]

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Well then, maybe you can help me out with one thing because I still don't know which way it's supposed to be (lightspeed question from The Last Jedi):

Spoiler

Visually insane as the moment was, when Holdo went to light speed and crashed through the federation ships, that got me to start confirming my notion of: "How do they know they won't crash into anything when they're traveling through hyperspace?"

I'm guessing it's because when they're doing it, it's like they're going through a wormhole and not physically blasting away, though that's not what it looks like when they take off or appear since you see them actually leave or come into the shot, respectively. Also, obviously, that would mean that what Holdo did should have been "impossible." I mean, clearly it doesn't just mean going super fast, otherwise they would kill themselves upon taking off or stopping due to instantaneous forces on the body heh.

Now, even if they are essentially traveling through a wormhole, I still don't know how they're able to stop just in time of not hitting any objects. Like, they have to be within nanoseconds of exactness to stop at the right time. I'm guessing they just use coordinates, but what if they run into another ship? After all, they normally do lightspeed travel to enter a fight. I also wonder what would happen if they appeared right into something, like a ship or a planet/moon. That would suck haha.

So before a ship enters into hyperspace they program the coordinates and make sure they are clear to enter.

When you are coming out you also make sure you clear to come out.

If you do not do those things you are entering hyperspace at your own risk.


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[Junior Moe]

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My simple answer is that's just the way it is lol. I'm ok with stories making up their own laws of physics (figuratively or literally) so long as they don't contradict them later on (hint) .

I thought they kind of explained it working that way though with the fuel situation. If not for that, then everything works as usual. At least that's how I interpreted that.

[Funkycorm]

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We saw this over the weekend and I really enjoyed it. It was well worth watching on the big screen.

It was not my favorite of the 9 movies in the saga but it was still a very good movie. I would have liked to see a few things play out differently but I look forward to getting this on blu ray and watching all 9 movies back to back over a long weekend.

[dbeth]

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My thought after seeing Ep IX was that it almost could've been a standalone movie.

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The way it just started with the text crawl of 'The Dead Speak!' and Kylo out on his chase...it just felt like JJ had to bring some cohesion to the crap Rian left behind, that he said 'screw it, I'm just going to start at this random point/event and go from here.'

My dad wondered if he should see it since he's a bit lost on the story now, and i said to treat it as it's own movie and you'll be fine. It has an arc similar to Episode IV (bad guy erupts on the scene immediately, heroes save the day at the end). Since Lucas only expected to make one movie at the outset (remember, it wasn't named Ep IV until after he started Empire), he started and ended a nice space western hero story.

[Blzer]

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So I just discovered that without editing those last 37 minutes of the film (including the credits), only an hour of The Last Jedi isn't Rey/Kylo/Luke focused. Crazy to think that, within that hour, over twenty of those minutes alone are on Canto Bight. Take away the opening scene as well, and that means that a half hour is focused on the fuel story line lol. Anyway, a 43-minute cut very well may not be plausible, but I do know if I make it I'll call it The Last Jedit. Get it? I said it.

Onto Episode IX talk, I'm obsessed with that shot of Rey holding the blue light saber close to her. They show a quick shot of it in the trailer, but in the film itself it stays on her for a long time, and it just looks gorgeous... credit half of it to Daisy Ridley, and the other half to J.J. Abrams.





I just love that shot so much.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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There's a Reddit thread going around that supposedly details Disney's ****ery with the movie:
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthan...m_source=share

[KSUowls]

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Seems pretty far fetched, but I also dont have any reason to not believe it based on the results.

If true, just wow

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shout out to my man Babu Frik.

Thank you JJ

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[Smallville102001]

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There's a Reddit thread going around that supposedly details Disney's ****ery with the movie:
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthan...m_source=share

Saw that the other day and some if it sounds like it could be true but some if it sounds pretty far fetched

[PeoplesChampGB]

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This is going to be long and possibly rambling, so I apologize in advance. Since the prequel trilogy, I have held off on reviewing individual movies that are part of trilogies until it has been completed. I do this because, as much as I hate episode I and II, they are necessary to further the storyline that leads into III and makes it all worthwhile.

I also do understand that Abrams had barely anything to work with after the farce that was TLJ, and I applaud the effort he did with what he had to work with. Now with that said:

This trilogy is absolute garbage, a disgrace to the Star Wars Saga and a disgrace to the Skywalkers overall.

In episode VII, Disney basically made what happened in I-VI irrelevant. The Empire is still there, the Alliance is still there, there is still a planet killer threatening the galaxy. The emperor figure is still there (Snoke), Darth Vader is still there (Kylo). What was the point of going through all of that if nothing changed for the better? What happened to the New Republic in that amount of time that it fell once again? Nobody bothered explaining that.

In episode VIII, after we see the character development from Luke going from a whiny little kid into a badass (IV-VI), he basically has a mental breakdown and turns into a wuss. You mean the guy that turned Darth Vader from the darkside back to the light lost faith that Kylo could be turned back? Get real. So he hides out on this planet wallowing around. And don't get me started how Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy basically made every male in the movie look like a complete idiot bumbling and stumbling around.

So now we get to episode IX, where I figure that maybe we will get some meaningful conclusion to the trilogy and I can at least leave somewhat satisfied.

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*Sighs* So Palpatine is back. The one thing that Luke and Anakin had left on their resume that you didn't take, and you take that way from them as well. What about the prophecy that Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the force? I guess we are just going to throw that out with the bathwater too.

Rey apparently is as powerful as Darth Plagueis now. Palpatine stated that Plagueis was so powerful that he could save people from death, and that he didn't even know the secret when talking to Anakin. But Rey can just willy nilly close a wound when she wants, fight with Kylo even though they are not in the same place, powerful enough to kill the Emperor repelling his FLEET DESTROYING Force Lightning with two lightsabers, and basically puts the nail in the Skywalker Legacy by taking the name instead of Ben Solo. You would think that the Emperor would have learned his lesson from episode VI, since pretty much the exact same thing happened. Rey faces no trials or tribulations throughout the trilogy, which makes a hero be likeable. She has no weaknesses and can do whatever she wants because, hey, convenience.

I was hoping for Poe and Finn to finally get some character development going, and they disappointed me once again. Poe had no character development throughout the trilogy. The one person that you would think would definitely get some character development throughout the trilogy would be a defecting stormtrooper, but nope. Even the spy in the First Order gets killed mere minutes after revealing himself.

And the one answer I wanted explained (how Luke Skywalker's lightsaber was found at Cloud City) was never touched again!

So now the pros. Lando is back, Wedge is back. The end.

So anyways, this trilogy is a disgrace and glad it is over with. They should have put the story as far away from the Rebel Alliance and the Empire as possible, or went with something in the Old Republic. Alas, Hollywood has no creativity anymore and this is what we get. A crap trilogy that buries the Skywalker Legacy.