Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

[jeremym480]

Re: Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

I'm not too upset about the finale. Yes, the finale season was dark and full of plot holes but at least we got a happy ending, right?

I'm going to stay with my theme of this season which is "what might have been" and my main one for the ending is I really would have liked to have seen something at the end that let us know that the White Walkers would eventually come back. Just one last shot that went passed Jon and the Wildling and went deep to a cave and you could see a little baby white walkers eyes then a black screen.

My main reason being is that that they never explained what was up with the White Walkers symbols. Some ancient cultures have used the spiral to signify rebirth or progression so I always though that the spiral pattern would signify that "time is a flat circle" and that the White Walkers would be back until the got what they wanted. Which we never really got to know from what I remember but nevertheless any little nugget like for the final shot would have been a neat cliffhanger (I guess?) to close the series. Just a final twist in GOT that to let you know that everything is good now, but Winter is coming (again eventually).

Anyway, as critical as I have been GOT is still my favorite series ever. I'm starting a re-watch now and am already noticing a lot of things that I didn't catch my first time around. It will be interesting to see how it (particularly the final season) holds up over time.

[DamnYanks2]

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I mean we couldn't even get a few words from Tormund at the end ?

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[CMH]

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I mean we couldn't even get a few words from Tormund at the end ?

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I meant to mention this too. That was very odd. Not a single word.

[DamnYanks2]

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They needed 10 episodes. Bran becoming king should have blown me away. Should have been one of those omg moments in GOT. But they completely lost me at that point.

I rewatched it. It's a little better. I'm not upset about the ending. But they rushed the season. So it all never really connected and hit home. Just felt off. I don't know.

The thing that really still bothers me. Jamie and Cersei dying the way they did. Like caged rats. After all the brilliant **** she did and the intelligence of Jamie. That's it? Just get smashed with a bunch of rocks? Meh.

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[TMagic]

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How could the Dothraki and Unsullied not know? They were at the Battle of Winterfell and know the White Walkers were defeated.

The Unsullied would have executed Jon on-sight after they learned that he killed Dany, not held him prisoner until he could be brought before a council that consisted almost entirely of Jon Snow supporters. [emoji38]

Anyway, Jon was dumb as a rock again, how did anyone find out that he killed Dany? All he had to do was say he saw Dany fly off on Drogon, clean up her blood in the snow, and then sneak out of the city. Is he so honorable that he went to Grey Worm and confessed?

They know the white walkers were defeated. But that doesn't mean the Nights Watch is over. Tyrion himself I think it was said something along the lines of "we need somewhere to send all the bad people".

The only thing I can think of is that we've seen that the unsullied ONLY take orders. They don't act on their own. So if they were to kill Jon, the order would have to have come directly from Greyworm. And you can make the argument that it would be hard for him to execute his homie Jon like that. So I think that could have gone either way. 🤷🏾*♂️

And yes. John is dumb and honorable. Just like Ned. Been that way from the first season. He killed Dany fully accepting the consequences.

So we now want Jon to go full Walter White all of a sudden to get away with murder? [emoji23]

He always speaks the truth. In this season alone we see that Jon is so good that at the plea of Dany, the love he has for her was not enough to prevent him from telling the truth about his lineage. In last season he couldve formed a temporarily allegiance with Cercei, but he couldn't bring himself to lie to HER. He KILLS Dany because he thinks it is the right thing to do.

But now, on the last episode, you want Jon to kill her and play it off when people ask what happened?

Someone- Where's Queen Dany?

Jon- **shrugs** I saw her fly off with Drogon. Yea. Um... probably went to Starbucks. She should be back soon though if you want to wait...ok? Cool. Hey, do you know if chamber assignments have gotten handed out yet? I'll find out. See ya. **Dips to Winterfel**

As much as we can agree that this seasons writing doesn't compare to it's previous seasons, I'm convinced that we (fans) wouldn't have done much better and aren't as good of writers we believe ourselves to be when I read what people have been writing online. Myself included. Lol

[inkcil]

Re: Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

In short, this fantasy series appears to have fallen victim to real life (circumstances).

The (2) shortened seasons, 1 year layoff, rushed ending, plethora of loose and untied storylines, sloppy writing, accelerated pacing and forced character progression/development all point to someone or something in real life took away from the storytellers' ability or interest or desire to create a product up to the standards of what we experienced Seasons 1 through 6. And season 8 was worse than season 7.

I think even having the water bottle and coffee cup in the final season was symbolic of real life getting in the way of the show and it no longer being able to fully immerse the fan base in fantasy land.

Was it fatigue and burnout after more than a decade (including development time before season 1 aired)? Was it conflicting schedules for writers and directors? Was it the desire to move on to new projects ASAP? My guess is that in this day of "social media tell all" the behind the scenes story will come out.

In the end, I'm relieved that it's over. Like a relationship that started out great and got awkward at the end, if one party is ready to leave the relationship (in this case the HBO writers) then it's going to become less and less fun the longer you stay together. Time to move on and let them go.

My three best moments from the finale:

1. The scene where the dragon let Jon Snow pass to get to Dany
2. The moment where the dragon flies overhead during Dany's speech
3. The scene where the dragon confronts Jon Snow after he stabs Dany

And three worst:

1.) Tyrion and Jon's conversation when Tyrion was in prison...dragged on and on
2.) Jon stabbing Dany with a kiss scene...so old and trite
3.) The Kings roundtable with advisors scene at end...besides the awkward dialogue, the meeting is barely underway when Bran decides to bail so he can go warg out. Lol. Ok.

[TMagic]

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And in regards to them not bringing up Jon being heir or voting him as king...I kinda get that too. At least, I feel you can make sense of it.

Based on their experience with the last two Targaryens, I don't think that the people would be in any rush to get another back on the throne. Lol

On top of that, Tyrion says that half the people hate him because he supported Dany and the other half hate him because he betrayed her. Pretty sure that line of thought would now apply to Jon as well.

Plus we know how much **** Jamie received for being a kingslayer. This despite it being the Mad King...would have to think the same would apply to Jon for killing the Queen.

So it wouldn't be that great of a way to start for ol Johnny as king.

Not to mention the fact that he really hasn't had success as a leader. He pissed people off and lost support at the wall. He pissed people off and lost support in the North. He doesn't really know how to navigate politically. Jon always follows his heart, even to his detriment. And those were small scale jobs compared to being Lord of the seven kingdoms.

So he is a great person yes. But would be a crap ruler based on what we've seen of him.

[The Chef]

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And in regards to them not bringing up Jon being heir or voting him as king...I kinda get that too. At least, I feel you can make sense of it.

Based on their experience with the last two Targaryens, I don't think that the people would be in any rush to get another back on the throne. Lol

On top of that, Tyrion says that half the people hate him because he supported Dany and the other half hate him because he betrayed her. Pretty sure that line of thought would now apply to Jon as well.

Plus we know how much **** Jamie received for being a kingslayer. This despite it being the Mad King...would have to think the same would apply to Jon for killing the Queen.

So it wouldn't be that great of a way to start for ol Johnny as king.

Not to mention the fact that he really hasn't had success as a leader. He pissed people off and lost support at the wall. He pissed people off and lost support in the North. He doesn't really know how to navigate politically. Jon always follows his heart, even to his detriment. And those were small scale jobs compared to being Lord of the seven kingdoms.

So he is a great person yes. But would be a crap ruler based on what we've seen of him.

Couple things....

1. Nobody knew of his lineage outside of the Starks, Sam and Tyrion since Dany and Varys are both dead. I know Varys was in the middle of writing to let people know of Jon's lineage but nothing was ever confirmed so I'm left to operate under the assumption that nobody else knew.

2. I don't think you can compare the fallout to the same fallout that befell Jaime. Jaime killed the Mad King based on what he knew he was going to do, Jon killed her based on what she had already done and would continue to do. While I get there may have been some blowback, it certainly wouldnt have come from Kings Landing since there was nobody left at this point anyways.

3. He pissed people off at the wall because he made the tough decision to bring the free folk south of the wall so they turned on him, turns out that decision was necessary long term. I wouldn't say he pissed people off in the north and lost support but they questioned his decision to align himself with Dany to fight the dead but, again, that was proven to be necessary in the end as well.

I will agree that he wouldn't be the greatest at navigating politically but it isn't like Bran proved anything other then he can warg into crows and sit and stare into space constantly. I'd rather have Jon who has shown a willingness to make the tough call for the greater good over Bran who showed zero ability to lead or do anything but maybe thats just me.

[inkcil]

Re: Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

I will say I do like a bit of mystery when a show like this ends, and I feel like Jon's character was not quite happy with his ending. Or not quite sure of himself. He expresses regret to Tyrion at the end and doesn't seem real excited when trotting off into the woods.

Compare the look in his face of "oh well I guess this is it" vs the look of satisfaction on the faces of Aya, Sansa and Bran at the end. Heck, all the major characters seemed pretty pleased with themselves at the end except Jon.

I also like that we don't know where the dragon went with Dany. Funny how right after her season 2 vision of the throne room she saw herself north of the wall. Maybe I'm reading too much into things but I feel like somehow Jon and that dragon are gonna ride together again one day.

[ehh]

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But now, on the last episode, you want Jon to kill her and play it off when people ask what happened?

Someone- Where's Queen Dany?

Jon- **shrugs** I saw her fly off with Drogon. Yea. Um... probably went to Starbucks. She should be back soon though if you want to wait...ok? Cool. Hey, do you know if chamber assignments have gotten handed out yet? I'll find out. See ya. **Dips to Winterfel**

Dany has taken her dragons and fled by herself multiple times through the years. There is actually precedent for that, unlike a majority of what played out this season. Besides, everyone in Kings Landing saw the massive dragon fly away. You think the Unsullied wouldn't believe Jon if he told them that she left? It's not like you need some clever plan to get away with it; that was the point.

Comparing Jon to Walter White is so apples-to-oranges it doesn't need to be addressed.

[ehh]

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I will say I do like a bit of mystery when a show like this ends, and I feel like Jon's character was not quite happy with his ending. Or not quite sure of himself. He expresses regret to Tyrion at the end and doesn't seem real excited when trotting off into the woods.

It's pretty clear that Jon isn't happy, and you mentioned the reasons yourself. He doesn't know if he did the right thing, no one does. For all they'll ever know, it's entirely possible that Dany would have been a great queen and that the sacking of Kings Landing was the only blemish that would have marred her reign. She still had plenty of good in her, it's not like sure was pure evil or raving lunatic yelling about how she'll kill future innocent people.

[dickey1331]

Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

It's pretty clear that Jon isn't happy, and you mentioned the reasons yourself. He doesn't know if he did the right thing, no one does. For all they'll ever know, it's entirely possible that Dany would have been a great queen and that the sacking of Kings Landing was the only blemish that would have marred her reign. She still had plenty of good in her, it's not like sure was pure evil or raving lunatic yelling about how she'll kill future innocent people.

Yeah but she talked about continuing her warpath until the entire world is hers. Jon wanted to be done with it all. If she did that to Kings Landing then who knows what else she might do. If she was content with the 7 kingdoms then that’s one thing but she seemed to have far greater plans.


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[Armor and Sword]

Re: Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

Seasons 1-6 brilliant.

Seasons 7-8 meh.

It is what it is.

I will watch seasons 1-6 again and bathe in it’s glory.

And then say to myself....I already know how this will end. And it was not that great.

It was not horrible. But quite anti-climatic.

Two things really stuck out to me.

The way Cerci dies totally stunk. I wanted her to suffer a fantastic death at either Aya’s or Dany’s hand.

I hated how Dany was killed. I loved her and loved her badass destruction of Kings Landing.

Yeah I like me a little evil streak. She was pissed off. Don’t **** with the Mother of Dragons.

Anyway. Wonderful series. Great times.


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[kingkilla56]

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I think that's a pretty reasonable explanation.

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If I walk in and see my stepdadcousin standing over my dead mom with a bloody knife, I’m not about to light the sofa on fire.

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[jeremym480]

Re: Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

You really buying that?


If Drogon eats Jon alive right then, Id consider the whole season a success. Jon actually sacrificed himself for the realm he was born to rule.

But the dragon all of a sudden understands metaphor and rage burns the throne. Maybe the damn dragon should be king.

My buddy at work is convinced that Bran warged into Drogon to burn the Iron Throne. He said that Bran's "Perhaps I can find him" line was a hint that Bran can warg into him.

If the writers would have actually done that it would have a) made Bran do something useful as the 3 Eyed Raven and b) would have been cool. So considering that, I 100% don't think that Bran warged into Drogon. It's was just Drogon attacking the Iron Throne to let anger out at the political structure that drove his mom mad. I guess that seems more reasonable than Bran warging...