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  • myownsun
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 3238

    #16
    Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

    Originally posted by jmood88
    They showed ea and unreal, what else was gameplay footage?
    Heavenly sword- all except the face at the start of the trailer but that may end up being the final ingame model

    Killing day-But thats multi console

    I8-i think thats the name of it "untitled Fps"

    And a few more are from very early builds like Reddead/gt5

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    • myownsun
      MVP
      • Aug 2002
      • 3238

      #17
      Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

      Originally posted by Kodiak33
      I'm not talking about Tivo, I meant you can talk to other people while you're watching a show and stuff like that.
      Oh my error

      I really hope they dont skimp on the sports games features because 3 of my must buy launch games are sports

      MadNG
      2k6
      live

      Gr3
      maybe saints row and a few mow < that a rap

      Added that just to make sure folks know im and xbox/360 gamer

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      • jmood88
        Sean Payton: Retribution
        • Jul 2003
        • 34639

        #18
        Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

        Originally posted by myownsun
        Heavenly sword- all except the face at the start of the trailer but that may end up being the final ingame model

        Killing day-But thats multi console

        I8-i think thats the name of it "untitled Fps"

        And a few more are from very early builds like Reddead/gt5
        Oh, ok. I never heard of any other games showed.
        Originally posted by Blzer
        Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

        If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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        • sdrotar
          OS Managing Ed., 2002-07
          • Jul 2002
          • 1055

          #19
          Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

          Originally posted by myownsun
          I have to agree with the article sony's experience shined through

          What you seen was not CGi but target videos just like the madden commercial and look how that turned out. And alot of those videos had actual in footage just running at 1080i/p just look at hevanly sword everything but her face at the beginning was actual gameplay
          Nope.
          That's simply wrong.
          What Sony showed at E3 was a compilation of pre-rendered "cut-scene" footage made specifically for the E3 video.
          No gameplay footage was shown. None. Absolutely zero.
          I simply cannot stress this enough.

          Renders that look like gameplay "may" look does not make such footage gameplay.

          Sony showed a movie trailer - an impressive one, to be sure - but a trailer nonetheless.
          Shawn Drotar
          Former Managing Editor, OperationSports.com (2002-07)

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          • jmood88
            Sean Payton: Retribution
            • Jul 2003
            • 34639

            #20
            Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

            Originally posted by sdrotar
            Nope.
            That's simply wrong.
            What Sony showed at E3 was a compilation of pre-rendered "cut-scene" footage made specifically for the E3 video.
            No gameplay footage was shown. None. Absolutely zero.
            I simply cannot stress this enough.

            Renders that look like gameplay "may" look does not make such footage gameplay.

            Sony showed a movie trailer - an impressive one, to be sure - but a trailer nonetheless.
            Thanks.
            Originally posted by Blzer
            Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

            If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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            • Bacardi151
              **t *f y**r *l*m*nt D*nny
              • Aug 2002
              • 3114

              #21
              Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

              Originally posted by sdrotar
              Nope.
              That's simply wrong.
              What Sony showed at E3 was a compilation of pre-rendered "cut-scene" footage made specifically for the E3 video.
              No gameplay footage was shown. None. Absolutely zero.
              I simply cannot stress this enough.

              Renders that look like gameplay "may" look does not make such footage gameplay.

              Sony showed a movie trailer - an impressive one, to be sure - but a trailer nonetheless.
              i will give them that some scenes might have been real time, like the gt5 5 second teaser.....but i figure we both came out of there with the same train of thought....."i just saw a bunch of non gameplay movie clips...oh and it can create artificial life"

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              • myownsun
                MVP
                • Aug 2002
                • 3238

                #22
                Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                Originally posted by sdrotar
                Nope.
                That's simply wrong.
                What Sony showed at E3 was a compilation of pre-rendered "cut-scene" footage made specifically for the E3 video.
                No gameplay footage was shown. None. Absolutely zero.
                I simply cannot stress this enough.

                Renders that look like gameplay "may" look does not make such footage gameplay.

                Sony showed a movie trailer - an impressive one, to be sure - but a trailer nonetheless.
                Well thats not what the developer of heavenly sword said but um, yeah

                realtime nope, actual ingame gameplay sequences yep

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                • fishepa
                  I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 18989

                  #23
                  Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                  Originally posted by myownsun
                  Well thats not what the developer of heavenly sword said but um, yeah

                  realtime nope, actual ingame gameplay sequences yep
                  What's the difference?

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                  • Kodiak33
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 1093

                    #24
                    Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                    I'm not going to believe anything anyone says until they are released (or close to release). I'm especially not going to believe Sony when their VP blatently lied on G4 and said Killzone was actual in game footage.

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                    • sdrotar
                      OS Managing Ed., 2002-07
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 1055

                      #25
                      Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                      Originally posted by Kodiak33
                      I'm not going to believe anything anyone says until they are released (or close to release). I'm especially not going to believe Sony when their VP blatently lied on G4 and said Killzone was actual in game footage.
                      Exactly.
                      At least someone recognizes a hype machine when they see it in action.

                      Show me a real game - show me a piece of hardware - show me anything, Sony.

                      Until then, it's all corporate smoke and mirrors.
                      Shawn Drotar
                      Former Managing Editor, OperationSports.com (2002-07)

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                      • sdrotar
                        OS Managing Ed., 2002-07
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 1055

                        #26
                        Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                        Originally posted by myownsun
                        Well thats not what the developer of heavenly sword said but um, yeah

                        realtime nope, actual ingame gameplay sequences yep
                        Show me.
                        Shawn Drotar
                        Former Managing Editor, OperationSports.com (2002-07)

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                        • Ice Cream Truck
                          Money Makin' Sonny
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 2200

                          #27
                          Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                          So since Sony showed what is said to be "cut-scenes" that look amazing, that means in-game graphics are gonna be inferior to Xbox360?

                          Sony played it smart, showed insane graphics to impress people. They could've shown in-game footage, but they want to look superior. I can't tell you how their in-game footage would look, but if they wanted to set themselves apart from 360, then they'd stick with the "cut-scenes" that yall saw.

                          I think they played it smart.

                          EDIT: Again, I can't tell you what system is better. I am waiting to see some hands on previews on gamespot.com in November before I decide what I like more.
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                          • bigeastbumrush
                            My Momma's Son
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 19245

                            #28
                            Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                            Originally posted by sdrotar
                            Exactly.
                            At least someone recognizes a hype machine when they see it in action.

                            Show me a real game - show me a piece of hardware - show me anything, Sony.

                            Until then, it's all corporate smoke and mirrors.
                            Hype machine?

                            Goodness. Why are you so upset about it?

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                            • SoMiss2000
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 20499

                              #29
                              Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                              Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                              Hype machine?

                              Goodness. Why are you so upset about it?
                              shawn doesn't seem upset. All he's saying is, SHOW ME! Show me some in-game footage. Microsoft obviously had the balls to show not even half-finished *** games, Sony should have grabbed their balls and did the same thing. Bottom line, sony accomplished what it set out to do. Question is, have you been around long enough to be able to see through the B.S.
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                              • myownsun
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 3238

                                #30
                                Re: E3 Opinion: 360 Outclassed

                                Originally posted by sdrotar
                                Show me.


                                DeanoC< Developer name

                                "The trailer was made by selecting a bunch of in-game moves/cool things, Then those frames making up those bits were output at 1080p from the engine. These are then all stuck together in a editing and post-processing package to look like a movie trailer.

                                But fundementally the 'renderer' itself was in-game, so you can see the shadow issues in certain frame where the in-game shadow map resolution optimiser doesn't do its job.

                                So in all fairness its not quite as black and white as either real-time or CGI..."

                                so we should see this in at least 720P

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