Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

[Rodster]

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I'll agree that some of the games shown will be game play at E3. It is in Sony's best interest, however, to show as much smoke and mirrors as last year to continue to perpetuate the perception that PS3 is going to offer games that look better than 360.

They would be foolish to show games that are somewhat raw and that do not have the same impact that last years CGI vids had. Anything less and people will be disappointed. MS has another 6 mos lead after E3. They can not afford to make people think that their games will look similar to X360 (even though they most likely will be very similar in image quality when it's all said and done).

Sony is smarter than that. They will make big promises and show a few games (some only behind closed doors, as MS did last year).

That's my guess anyway

And I and think you are dead on with your assessment.

[USF11]

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All you need to look at is Take-Two and EA, Next Gen is not getting much better.

The one company that pushes the envelop has been Ubisoft, I would think either Microsoft or EA will try to buy them out before they start growing exponentially.

[NinersFan]

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First party titles/exclusive should start to push the system. Ultimately that should force an improvement from other developers. It's fair to say the 360's initial first party offerings, whilst technically impressive, were a little rushed. Expect the next wave - think Too Human, Crackdown, Mass Effect - to really impress.

Also the PS2 and Xbox markets are still huge, hence we're seeing some fairly average games ported up.

PS3 is still an unknown. I personally doubt it'll launch with games that can compare to the 360 at the end of 06 BUT the launch titles will impress and for launch titles, that's enough.

As for E3... We'll all know in a few short weeks.

[Flawless]

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PS3 is still an unknown. I personally doubt it'll launch with games that can compare to the 360 at the end of 06 BUT the launch titles will impress and for launch titles, that's enough.

As for E3... We'll all know in a few short weeks.

I don't know about that.

You have to remember Sony gave developers a much more mature platform from day one. They provided developers with Nvidia 6800U (SM 3.0) SLi graphic solutions and 2.4GHz Cell's 18 months prior to launch. While this wasn't final hardware, developers were working with Cell from day one (underclocked), and a graphics solution that is much closer to their final GPU (RSX), than what Microsoft offered.

Microsoft gave developers dual-CPU Apple Power Mac G5 systems with ATI 9800 Pro's (SM 2.0) from day one (January 2004). link

Later they updated the kits with an X800XT (SM 2.0). It wasn't until June 2005 when first party developers got to work with Xenon (CPU) and Xenos (GPU SM 3.0). Final kits didn't arrive until late August/early September, depending on, if your game was a launch title or not.

Because of this, PS3 launch titles will be significantly more mature than the 360 launch titles.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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All you need to look at is Take-Two and EA, Next Gen is not getting much better.

The one company that pushes the envelop has been Ubisoft, I would think either Microsoft or EA will try to buy them out before they start growing exponentially.

You think Ubisfot is going to sell, yeah right. They k now how good there games are and they know what people like. You can forget about that.

[Rodster]

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You think Ubisfot is going to sell, yeah right. They k now how good there games are and they know what people like. You can forget about that.

They won't sell cause the French Government would stop it. They stopped the so called hostile takeover attempt by EA, although EA never called it that, just another investment.

Nope Ubisoft will stay independant thanks to Le French Goverment.

[USF11]

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They won't sell cause the French Government would stop it. They stopped the so called hostile takeover attempt by EA, although EA never called it that, just another investment.

Nope Ubisoft will stay independant thanks to Le French Goverment.

If EA didnt have such a horrible year last year they would own Ubisoft right now. Don't think for one second any company is not on the block.

[Rodster]

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If EA didnt have such a horrible year last year they would own Ubisoft right now. Don't think for one second any company is not on the block.

As I mentioned before the French Government got involved and halted EA's takeover bid. IOW no matter how hard EA tries or how much money they have to throw around the French Gov't won't let the deal go thru.

The Gov't made it very clear. Ubisoft will stay in France and will be owned by the French. That's why EA backed out, cause they weren't going to get them.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I do remember reading that EA did buy into UBI Shares or somthing like that.

[CaptainZombie]

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I do remember reading that EA did buy into UBI Shares or somthing like that.

I think they did.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I think they did.

They bought somthing, here's the link.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6738052/

[Rodster]

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They bought somthing, here's the link.


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6738052/

True but what got the French Govt involved was that EA wanted to control more than 51% of the company which in essence means they are owned by EA. The Govt stopped EA from buying a controlling stake in the company.

As it stands now EA is just an investor in Ubisoft.

[USF11]

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True but what got the French Govt involved was that EA wanted to control more than 51% of the company which in essence means they are owned by EA. The Govt stopped EA from buying a controlling stake in the company.

As it stands now EA is just an investor in Ubisoft.

You can't stop anyone from buying shares on the open market, The french government may have funded the company so that they have the majority share locked up.

With that said give it time and someone will come in with an offer Ubisoft can't refuse.

If I was going to invest money over the next 10 years in any video game company it would be Ubisoft. Take-Two would be a complete mess right now if Elder Scrolls didnt come out. EA is just so huge right now there isnt alot of potential for growth. Midway hasn't had a good game in about 5 years.

The console wars are about huge money, and just how big a blow it would to the other company if Microsoft could acquire Ubisoft. Microsoft is gonna have alot of money to burn once Vista Comes out.

[Misfit]

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The government can intervene with the market be it open or not. All transactions where someone assumes control of a company has to be approved by stockholders and the government. If someone like EA were to try and become the majority holder in a company like Ubisoft and the government felt that this would give them too much control over the videogame industry they could choose to not approve the sale.

[Rodster]

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The government can intervene with the market be it open or not. All transactions where someone assumes control of a company has to be approved by stockholders and the government. If someone like EA were to try and become the majority holder in a company like Ubisoft and the government felt that this would give them too much control over the videogame industry they could choose to not approve the sale.

That's what i've been trying to say.