The Order: 1886

[authentic]

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Right. Your positivity is much more founded in reality than people's reaction to previous reports of boring gameplay and short length from those that actually played it. We should buy the game and play it the way you say because you are "confident."

Considering I've watched the limited streams people have managed to get up and running before they are taken down and have been impressed by what I saw, I am willing to spend just a little over 1.5 hours of my paycheck on the collectors edition. Thanks for your concern though. I'll gladly enjoy the game while others hate.

[Kramer5150]

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To try and put some perspective on this....lets take a look at another high profile game from the PS3.. Uncharted Drakes Fortune.

http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=10799

Notice the similarities? roughly the same time to complete the game..unless you are a completionist in which case it will be a bit longer,but the average is 10 hours,while the "leisure" avg is 32 hours.

The numbers EG posted earlier seem pretty consistent with Uncharted...

http://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments...for_the_order/

Updated list of GAFer first time completions, including the relevant difficulty levels.

OsirisBlack - 14 hours Hard
Theman2k - 12 hours Hard
Verendus - 10 hours Hard
Periniumlick - 10 hours Hard
Rapier - 9 hours Normal
ReNeGaDe124 - 9 hours Normal
Nbkt - 9 hours Normal

Average is 10 hours 43 minutes.

Also,notice a couple of other similarities.....
1-new ip
2-no MP

When Uncharted 2 came out,folks loved the MP in that game,so who's to say if there's an Order 2 or what-not,that it won't have some sort of MP attached to it.

[Knight165]

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What was the average length of those games?

The MP portion?
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Knight165

[authentic]

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To try and put some perspective on this....lets take a look at another high profile game from the PS3.. Unchartedrakes Fortune.

http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=10799

Notice the similarities? roughly the same time to complete the game..unless you are a completionist in which case it will be a bit longer,but the average is 10 hours,while the "leisure" avg is 32 hours.

The numbers EG posted earlier seem pretty consistent with Uncharted...



Also,notice a couple of other similarities.....
1-new ip
2-no MP

When Uncharted 2 came out,folks loved the MP in that game,so who's to say if there's an Order 2 or what-not,that it won't have some sort of MP attached to it.

Interesting website. I'm seeing that Tomb Raider was beat in under 4 hours. Bioshock Infinite was beat in under 4 hours. The Last of Us was beat in under 6 hours. Batman Arkham Asylum in under 4 hours.

I'm pretty sure those are some pretty high profile games that have been praised for their deep story lines. If I'm not mistaken, multiplayer isn't very big in any of those games either. They all have the largest sample size on that website too. Who knows how credible the sources are, but we're "counting" on this 5 hour rumor by some online website so why not believe the play times listed above. If it lines up with those titles at all, I'll be having a blast.

[mestevo]

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Interesting website. I'm seeing that Tomb Raider was beat in under 4 hours. Bioshock Infinite was beat in under 4 hours. The Last of Us was beat in under 6 hours. Batman Arkham Asylum in under 4 hours.

I'm pretty sure those are some pretty high profile games that have been praised for their deep story lines. If I'm not mistaken, multiplayer isn't very big in any of those games either. They all have the largest sample size on that website too. Who knows how credible the sources are, but we're "counting" on this 5 hour rumor by some online website so why not believe the play times listed above. If it lines up with those titles at all, I'll be having a blast.

The 5 hours isn't a rumor, it was the complete play-through posted on YouTube broken into the game's chapters earlier this week.

This is where criticism of length hit a fever pitch because it was something tangible that was then reported on and complaints about things like consecutive chapters that are entirely a cinema/QTE really started to have any merit beyond some Russian with an early copy on GAF.

[authentic]

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The 5 hours isn't a rumor, it was the complete play-through posted on YouTube broken into the game's chapters earlier this week.

This is where criticism of length hit a fever pitch because it was something tangible that was then reported on and complaints about things like consecutive chapters that are entirely a cinema/QTE really started to have any merit beyond some Russian with an early copy on GAF.

Rumor was an incorrect use of words. I didn't watch the video. I have tried to stay away from videos just so it's fresh when I play it. Everything I say is personal opinion for the record. I personally think there's a difference in a speed play and actually playing the game to enjoy it. From what I read, the 5 hour YouTube gameplay was a speed play. I think people are starting to think this game is going to take 5 hours to complete playing like normal. I hope the game has a timer so we know how long it takes each of us. If it takes me 5 hours to beat this game but I have a blast, I'm completely fine with that. Quality over quantity. If the game isn't good, well, then I trade it in for $40 and lose $8.

[Kramer5150]

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According to this dudes PSN profile,it took him 10 hours and 38 minutes to get all the trophies.

http://psnprofiles.com/ReNeGaDe124

[fishepa]

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I really can't believe there is so much stink over the length of this game. Unbelievable.

[countryboy]

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I really can't believe there is so much stink over the length of this game. Unbelievable.

Agreed. The game looks amazing, is intriguing so I'm buying. And this whole, $60 for a 6 hour game or whatever, but thought is this. I pay $60, beat the game in a few days, sell it on Ebay, Craigslist, online yardsale, or trade it in for anywhere from $40 to $55. So essentially I spend at most what, $20 for a game?

Oh well, I'll be knee deep in this game come Friday night after work. So looking forward to it.

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Agreed. The game looks amazing, is intriguing so I'm buying. And this whole, $60 for a 6 hour game or whatever, but thought is this. I pay $60, beat the game in a few days, sell it on Ebay, Craigslist, online yardsale, or trade it in for anywhere from $40 to $55. So essentially I spend at most what, $20 for a game?

Oh well, I'll be knee deep in this game come Friday night after work. So looking forward to it.

Thing is you're only one kind of gamer because all guys don't sell their games and some like to invest some time in them.

That's where the arguments come in but as I said this kinda thing started long ago...to make a stink like this now over this particular game really has the smell of an agenda.

[authentic]

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Thing is you're only one kind of gamer because all guys don't sell their games and some like to invest some time in them.

That's where the arguments come in but as I said this kinda thing started long ago...to make a stink like this now over this particular game really has the smell of an agenda.

It is what it is. I usually like to invest in games and take the time to enjoy them. I've played some games that I know are worse than this title. I spent a ton of time playing Thief, which I was very disappointed in. I've stopped paying a lot of attention to gaming websites and whether or not they tell me to buy a game, instead I buy games that are similar to other games I like. If there's an agenda, it's undoubtedly because this is Sony's first big title on the PS4 and it's been hyped since the PS4 was announced.

[WaddupCouzin]

The Order: 1886

Kind of a disingenuous argument though because I'm not sure anyone's really making that strawman you're tearing down. Though it's funny people say stuff like this while propping up the single player so high, since the same developer would be creating both. Why do you think they wouldn't create an equally as amazing multiplayer? Or co-op? Or the other things people might want that could add value... but instead it's automatically a good thing that they weren't included and assumed they would be awful and detract from the game? Do you guys realize that's kinda damning the developer as much as you're praising them for their approach to single player?

Either way, there's relatively no opposition to the echo chamber of positivity by those purchasing this game no matter what anyone else is posting, myself and others have said that we hope you enjoy the game and for different reasons (not just length) aren't purchasing the game.

I look forward to the media embargo dropping tomorrow to help the narrative change a bit to the actual quality and value of the game and your reviews as you play/complete the game.

My sentiment comes from playing games like Tomb Raider that had an excellent (IMO) single player experience to play a multi-player of the same game that was completely worthless (IMO). Hence tacked on. It wasn't thought out, just mindlessly running around in the name of saying "We Have Multiplayer". Spare me the sake of adding a worthless Multiplayer just to check off a box. I've enjoyed playing Infamous 2nd Son, I think it's without multi-player as well.


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[Knight165]

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It is what it is. I usually like to invest in games and take the time to enjoy them. I've played some games that I know are worse than this title. I spent a ton of time playing Thief, which I was very disappointed in. I've stopped paying a lot of attention to gaming websites and whether or not they tell me to buy a game, instead I buy games that are similar to other games I like. If there's an agenda, it's almost uncertainly because this is Sony's first big title on the PS4 and it's been hyped since the PS4 was announced.

M.K.
Knight165

[gustavus]

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The MP portion?


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Seriously? I have no problem with a game being SP only. I loved Wolfenstein. But when a SP only game more than 25% cutscenes of the 8-10 hours it might take, it's not surprising many might view the lack of MP to be a serious ding to its value.

[WaddupCouzin]

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Kind of a disingenuous argument though because I'm not sure anyone's really making that strawman you're tearing down. Though it's funny people say stuff like this while propping up the single player so high, since the same developer would be creating both. Why do you think they wouldn't create an equally as amazing multiplayer? Or co-op? Or the other things people might want that could add value... but instead it's automatically a good thing that they weren't included and assumed they would be awful and detract from the game? Do you guys realize that's kinda damning the developer as much as you're praising them for their approach to single player?

Either way, there's relatively no opposition to the echo chamber of positivity by those purchasing this game no matter what anyone else is posting, myself and others have said that we hope you enjoy the game and for different reasons (not just length) aren't purchasing the game.

I look forward to the media embargo dropping tomorrow to help the narrative change a bit to the actual quality and value of the game and your reviews as you play/complete the game.

Just to elaborate on my point a bit further (Im able to use my keyboard now). I found the multiplayer experiences of Uncharted, Tomb Raider, and All the Assassin's Creed before Unity, (I really enjoy Unity's) very unremarkable. I thought the multi-players lacked the creativity to make the modes really standout. FPS are of course a completely different entity. If the time was taken to make the mode really different and stand out (The Last of Us is good as well), Im all for it. However, and I know I've said this before, but to have for the sake of a box check-off, I'll pass.

To answer your comment, I dont' think Im damning the developer, If the single player experience is strong, I don't think co-op and/or multiplayer is an absolute must.