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  • daniel77733
    Banned
    • Nov 2011
    • 3544

    #706
    Re: The Order: 1886

    Originally posted by econoodle
    Daniel and whaddup.
    Thanks.

    Thats the kind of stuff I like to hear for a game that got bashed so hard in the press.
    I had a feeling it wasn't as bad as I was reading on websites.
    Not that i take much stock in website reviews. I get my fix from the people who actually buy the game and goes in knowing the good and bad off the bat.
    I never go based on "professional reviews" simply because they tend to ignore and not mention so much stuff that us actual gamers don't miss. That aggravates me to no end.

    Another reason The Order was rated low is that there's no online multi-player or co-op which I realize nowadays affects ratings more than they should. Personally, im a single player gamer so when a game doesn't have any online aspects, im even happier than a normally would be.

    Majority of games that I buy, I buy regardless of reviews, ratings, opinions, etc. I know that I want to play the game and buying it on release day or pre-ordering it. For games that im not sure about, I'll wait to hear other people's opinions here and on neogaf. In this respect, I'll usually wait for a price drop or a sale. For example, I wanted to play Infamous: Second Son and waited for it to be $20 at Best Buy. $16 after GCU. I played it but simply wasn't into the superpower aspect but for what turned out to be a cheap rental, I figured why not give it a shot?

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    • mestevo
      Gooney Goo Goo
      • Apr 2010
      • 19556

      #707
      Re: The Order: 1886

      Eh, professional reviews are fine in context. The fine line though is user reviews and finding people that just say what you want to hear.

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      • Burns11
        Greatness Has Arrived
        • Mar 2007
        • 7406

        #708
        Re: The Order: 1886

        As much as I liked the way The Order looked, played, and the story it set up, it deserved the scores for it's brevity. It's a fantastic $20 game, it's a meager $60 game.

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        • daniel77733
          Banned
          • Nov 2011
          • 3544

          #709
          Re: The Order: 1886

          Originally posted by Burns11
          As much as I liked the way The Order looked, played, and the story it set up, it deserved the scores for it's brevity. It's a fantastic $20 game, it's a meager $60 game.
          I obviously disagree with that. No way does The Order deserve 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's and 6's. To me, anything 5 or lower is unplayable. The Order is nowhere near unplayable. And sorry but when I see those low scores for The Order yet Halo: MCC, Unity and other bug filled games get scored higher, you know it's bullcrap and was nothing but getting everyone to click on their sites and read their reviews just so they can make their advertising quota.

          I have played and finished games that I have rated a 7/10 and none of them are even half as good as The Order. I know im favoring the game but still, im pretty sure majority of gamers have played far worse games, unplayable games or bug and glitch filled games and if all of those can score better than The Order, you know something is wrong with gaming period.

          90% of games can be finished in 5-10 hours if the user really wants to zoom through the damn game. As for price, I paid $60 and have no regrets.

          Of course, I don't buy disc based games digitally so maybe in that case, I can understand. I personally would never buy any disc based game digitally for more than $20 as it's a huge rip off for so many reasons. In this instance, I can understand. Hell, if I bought Battlefield Hardline for $60 digitally, I would be rating it a 2/10 as well but thankfully, im smarter than that. Buy, play, complete, trade in or sell and move on to the next game.

          What's funny is that I love those who complain about the hard drives being only 500GB. If you're going to buy every game digitally which can be up to 50GB per game, of course, you're going to need a bigger hard drive. Amazing how when you buy a console, it's always a lot more money than the initial investment and im not even including games.

          Digital equals a waste of money unless you're going to play that game for years or replay it every few months. Otherwise, I don't see the point. What's worse is that gamers don't realize that supporting digital only is only going to lead to them screwing themselves over in the process.

          Sorry for the rant. Back to The Order. Yeah, it was short but it was damn good. Better than a long dragged out boring 30 hour game that you lost interest in after 5 hours anyway.

          But to each their own.

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          • The JareBear
            Be Good To One Another
            • Jul 2010
            • 11560

            #710
            Re: The Order: 1886

            Originally posted by Burns11
            As much as I liked the way The Order looked, played, and the story it set up, it deserved the scores for it's brevity. It's a fantastic $20 game, it's a meager $60 game.
            I think you sum it up perfectly, and I agree 100 percent.

            I think PS4 gamers should all give it a shot, whether as a rental or picking it up used.

            I think the game excels in presentation, does a good job with story, gameplay is decent, and is extremely lacking from a value/longevity/replayabilty standpoint.

            I really hope we get sequels. I think this can become a huge series.

            Edit:

            I do agree with Daniel that the game deserves credit for not having crazy bugs/glitches. As much as I love Witcher 3, and I do love it, it has a ton of bugs an glitches. Those deserve to be mentioned in reviews and this game deserves credit for being polished
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            • ajblithe20
              Pro
              • Feb 2013
              • 845

              #711
              Re: The Order: 1886

              The price doesn't affect how the game plays at all. I think it could've been more popular if it was $20-30. But the price has nothing to do with the actually game itself. So saying it deserves bad reviews because it costs too much for being too short is nonsense to me. I'm pretty sure that information was known by launch, so people knew what they were getting


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              • Burns11
                Greatness Has Arrived
                • Mar 2007
                • 7406

                #712
                Re: The Order: 1886

                Value is part of a review, they are reviewing a game, but they are also reviewing a retail product.

                Also, saying length holds no bearing on how a game plays, if the game plays as nothing more than a prologue to the actual game, how does that not factor into a review?

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                • Candyman5
                  Come get some!
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 14380

                  #713
                  Re: The Order: 1886

                  Originally posted by ajblithe20
                  The price doesn't affect how the game plays at all. I think it could've been more popular if it was $20-30. But the price has nothing to do with the actually game itself. So saying it deserves bad reviews because it costs too much for being too short is nonsense to me. I'm pretty sure that information was known by launch, so people knew what they were getting


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                  I think your overestimating the amount if people that either look at or pay attention to reviews. There's a good bit out there that just go to the store and buy stuff or see a advertisement and purchase.
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                  • Picci
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 4517

                    #714
                    Re: The Order: 1886

                    Interesting Interview and News done by GameInformer with Paul Sams and Ru Weerasuriya, RAD (Ready At Dawn)


                    <b>Does Mr. Sams' appointment or the creation of a publishing arm change the studio's close relationship with Sony? Do you have plans for more games on non-Sony platforms [Ready At Dawn did the Wii port of Okami – ed.]? </b>
                    Sams: We have enjoyed a long and mutually beneficial relationship with Sony. They are a great company with whom we have shared many successes over the years. As a result, it is hard to imagine not seeing our future games on one or more of the Sony platforms. At the same time, we have worked very hard to make sure that our engine and technology suite is multiplatform. What we did on the PS4 for The Order: 1886, we can also do today on Xbox One, PC, and on an additional unannounced platform.


                    <b>What IP does RAD currently own, and are there ones you want to claim in the future?</b>
                    Sams: We have two original IPs currently under development that we own. However, we are not at a point in the development process that we can discuss them. Stay tuned...

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                    • daniel77733
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 3544

                      #715
                      Re: The Order: 1886

                      Yeah, read about Ready At Dawn earlier today. They're a third party now as they have a new IP in development for Xbox One and a new IP for an unnamed console (im guessing Nintendo's next console).

                      Not happy at all that Sony didn't buy them out and make them an exclusive second party as they're a young talented up and coming developer. They built a game engine from the ground up for The Order and everything was setup for what was supposed to be a trilogy.

                      Just one more reason why I hate all these damn review sites. They all rate The Order bad but games like Unity, Witcher 3 and nearly every other current gen games 8's and higher despite having so many problems, flaws, bugs and glitches.

                      Sad how gaming has become. And the five hours (which is bullcrap in itself) to go through the game being too little value for $60 is even bigger bullcrap because any non-RPG going back to the days of NES were $60 and could be beat in the same amount or less.

                      So disappointed.

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                      • mestevo
                        Gooney Goo Goo
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 19556

                        #716
                        Re: The Order: 1886

                        If it was really good reviews wouldn't have mattered.

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                        • ricky24
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 4888

                          #717
                          Re: The Order: 1886

                          Unity and witcher are better games. Just because they have a few bugs at launch it doesn't mean they should be rated lower than a game like the order. There is just much more value to both games.

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                          • Burns11
                            Greatness Has Arrived
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 7406

                            #718
                            Re: The Order: 1886

                            The witched is definitely a better game

                            AC Unity is a ****ing turd though.

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                            • daniel77733
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 3544

                              #719
                              Re: The Order: 1886

                              Originally posted by mestevo
                              If it was really good reviews wouldn't have mattered.
                              But sadly it does matter. Once the reviews came out, it was reported that there were a lot of pre-orders cancelled. This is why a lot of companies have an embargo on reviews until the day of release.

                              Originally posted by ricky24
                              Unity and witcher are better games. Just because they have a few bugs at launch it doesn't mean they should be rated lower than a game like the order. There is just much more value to both games.
                              Definitely agree with The Witcher 3 but not with Unity. And a few bugs? Four patches in three weeks for the Witcher 3 and a complete and total cluster**** in regards to Unity. Doesn't matter if the value is there if the game keeps have bugs, glitches, disappearing bodies, horrible pop-in and so much more. I guess gamers love broken games at launch nowadays. And yes, games should be rated lower due to the problems in the game. Seriously, WTF? Unity was so bad that Ubisoft had to give away a free game and DLC from their season pass costing them millions so yeah, I would say that games whould receive lower scores based on bugs, glitches and problems. After all, a review is supposed to include that so as a consumer, you're aware of it.

                              Originally posted by Burns11
                              The witched is definitely a better game

                              AC Unity is a ****ing turd though.
                              Agree in regards to The Witcher 3 and while Unity was unplayable at launch, I played it after Ubisoft patched it so it wasn't as bad. Nowhere near as good as Black Flag or the superior Rogue.

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                              • Fresh Tendrils
                                Strike Hard and Fade Away
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 36131

                                #720
                                Re: The Order: 1886

                                Apart from a number of people not having quest characters pop up most of the bugs in The Witcher 3 aren't game crippling. Those 4 patches in 3 weeks are a result of a developer continuously working to perfect their product and satisfy their consumers.

                                The Witcher 3 was nowhere near a broken launch. While I applaud RAD for putting out a flawlessly programmed game free of bugs it is still an inferior game to The Witcher 3 - bugs included.



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