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  • Village Idiot
    Probably Insane
    • Sep 2004
    • 2733

    #1

    Women

    Personally, I'm in a committed, long-term relationship, so my time for using this sort of stuff is behind me. However, I've been watching 'The Pick Up Artist' on VH1 recently, and a lot of what was being said sparked my curiosity. I feel like I really missed the boat in my younger days, not realizing this sort of stuff was out there. I sort of just figured you either had it or you didn't. In reading up on 'Pickup Artist' material, I've found that it doesn't have to be a nightmare, and that, generally, the 'game' should have been a lot easier for me than it was.

    I found this little blurb particularly entertaining:

    Years ago, a woman asked me where I live.

    I responded with, “Sorry sweetie… I think you're mistaking me for one of your neighbors from the trailer park you grew up in.”

    She affectionately touched my arm and bantered back, “You're so mean!”

    I playfully scolded her by saying, “This **** ain't for free.”

    Laughing like a hyena, she responded with, “I love you.”

    Then she wrapped her arms around my body, giving me a big bear hug.

    But I didn't stop there. I amplified the sarcasm a notch with, “Stop treating me like a giant sausage with feet!”

    Next… her hand went straight for my crotch.

    I grabbed her and we started kissing.

    Was this a fluke? Is this girl looser than Jenna Jameson?

    Nope.

    She was driven to act this way because of a key psychological mechanism… one that's out of her control… one that I'm going to share with you in a minute.

    But first…

    Here's a truism in our culture… The frame – or underlying meaning – of a man approaching a woman is that she is the Prize he is trying to win her over.

    In plain English – the woman has more value than the man.

    If you want to become a ladies' man, you've got to proactively do or say something in every interaction you have with a woman that changes the frame from her being the Prize to you being the Prize.

    In the example above I accomplished this by responding to her question about where I live with, “Sorry sweetie… I think you're mistaking me for one of your neighbors from the trailer park you grew up in.”

    Seems a bit harsh? Why didn't she walk away? Or slap me across the face?

    First of all, this girl was dressed to nines. She mentioned going to an Ivy League college. It was obvious that she didn't grow up in a trailer or mobile home. She knew I was joking around with her.

    Second… I said this to her in a sarcastic tone.

    Thus… I got away with setting a very strong frame because I added a ton of humor.

    She didn't perceive my comment as mean or manipulative.

    Instead she saw it as charming and attractive and felt compelled to banter back.

    Yet she still wanted to take back control of the frame (Though she found me charming and attractive, she wanted to get back her status as the Prize).

    However… she couldn't think of a comeback.

    So she touched my arm.

    “Why?” you might be wondering.

    Most women intuitively know… one of the fastest ways to take back control of being the Prize is to touch a man… because…

    Most men think that when a woman touches them it means she's interested.

    Many a man takes the bait by sticking his dirty little paws all over her.

    She pulls back and – voilà – she's regained her status as the Prize the guy is desperately trying to win over.

    But when you refrain from touching a woman and frame her touching you as meaning she's blatantly coming onto you, like I did in the example above, you maintain your status as the Prize she's trying to win over.

    As a general rule: I usually don't touch a woman until she's touched me two to three times. If you give in after the first touch, you risk the frame reversing back to her being the Prize.

    But after she's touched you several times, you can touch her back without losing the frame that you're the Prize.

    So let's recap: When you're verbally bantering back-and-forth with a woman and she cannot think of a comeback or she realizes that you've outwitted her, she will invariably reach over and touch you. It's a sneaky attempt regaining her status as the Prize.

    You might be thinking, "How in the world am I supposed to outwit every woman I desire?"

    Easy. Wit is not an innate ability; it is learned.

    Alas, it's not taught in school. Even worse, there are few places on this earth where you can learn this skill.

    I went through most of my life thinking I was lumbered with a humorless wit.

    But through a lot hard work and experimenting I've come up with a repeatable stucture that gives you the tools to out wit any woman.
    Are you young & eligible types paying attention?

    Lots more at: http://www.seductiontuition.com/

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  • Dallasin2K3
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 3135

    #2
    Re: Women

    This stuff has been around a long time. I remember reading Mystery's material before the mystery method, before anyone knew who he was, before any of this became 'mainstream'. It is helpful, but my personal belief is that it is not going to change the landscape of "the game" because most men will find themselves unable to utilize the material effectively, and actually live and internalize it. For most people that wanted these skills bad enough to practice them, the material has always been around and it was one google search away.

    It's not as easy as read-and-regurgitate and takes a lot of time and hard work to really put any of it into practice.

    Really, the stuff that Mystery and the majority of these guys teach are routines and sets that are supposed to convey a certain mindset or attitude (that most guys (read: 95%) do not have). The hardest and most valuable thing you can do is to gain the mindset that he's trying to convey.
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    • Village Idiot
      Probably Insane
      • Sep 2004
      • 2733

      #3
      Re: Women

      Originally posted by Dallasin2K3
      This stuff has been around a long time. I remember reading Mystery's material before the mystery method, before anyone knew who he was, before any of this became 'mainstream'. It is helpful, but my personal belief is that it is not going to change the landscape of "the game" because most men will find themselves unable to utilize the material effectively, and actually live and internalize it. For most people that wanted these skills bad enough to practice them, the material has always been around and it was one google search away.

      It's not as easy as read-and-regurgitate and takes a lot of time and hard work to really put any of it into practice.

      Really, the stuff that Mystery and the majority of these guys teach are routines and sets that are supposed to convey a certain mindset or attitude (that most guys (read: 95%) do not have). The hardest and most valuable thing you can do is to gain the mindset that he's trying to convey.
      I completely agree on all counts. Still, there's something to be said for thinking about 'the game' in terms of applying a set of guidelines and strategy, opposed to fumbling and bumbling in the dark every step of the way.
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      • dkgojackets
        Banned
        • Mar 2005
        • 13816

        #4
        Re: Women

        I'll try out the trailer park line tonight.

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        • the_future420
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 3086

          #5
          Re: Women

          I'm not sure who this guy is, but I recommend picking up the Art of Seduction by Robert Green.

          It's from the same guy who wrote The 48 Laws of Power.
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          • SPTO
            binging
            • Feb 2003
            • 68046

            #6
            Re: Women

            That sounds like BS to me.
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            • McLite
              MVP
              • Feb 2003
              • 2113

              #7
              Re: Women

              I remember I would never walk up to a girl and just talk to her. I used to get mad at myself because I was 'scared' of something that was 5'6 and 120 pounds.

              I'm not sure about using the line about trailer parks and stuff but I found if you just go up and talk and can get them to laugh, things are going well. I'm all for her touching you because that shows she's open to your advances...but if she just goes ahead and grabs your crotch after 10 seconds of conversation that's a little out there.
              - The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.

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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #8
                Re: Women

                Originally posted by MattG
                but if she just goes ahead and grabs your crotch after 10 seconds of conversation that's a little out there.
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                • Scottdau
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 32580

                  #9
                  Re: Women

                  Don't be shy and just talk to a girl, no matter how cute she is. Even if you are out of her league. Girls like guys with confidence. I will say one thing, I love my wife, but she can drive me crazy! lol Just like Norm from cheers said. "Women, can't live with them, and pass the beer nuts! Classic.

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                  • Double Eights
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 5733

                    #10
                    Re: Women

                    I just pay for my women. It's easier.

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                    • Dallasin2K3
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 3135

                      #11
                      Re: Women

                      Originally posted by Undefeated
                      I completely agree on all counts. Still, there's something to be said for thinking about 'the game' in terms of applying a set of guidelines and strategy, opposed to fumbling and bumbling in the dark every step of the way.
                      I agree totally. That's a good way of putting it.

                      I just think it's funny that some people are under the impression that this stuff is a "magic bullet" to landing your ideal woman. That's like saying, "Here's LaDanian Tomlinson's offseason workout, now you can be just like him!" There's so much work required between getting that information and being able to reach a goal that it's not even funny. It definately gives you the tracks to walk down, but you've still got to walk.

                      The Art of Seduction also has some good material, but it's no different. One of my buddies swears by it, and can probably recite it chapter-for-chapter, but consistently fails to execute its principles... and he's not alone in that. It's hard. (Incidentally, I just talked to him yesterday and both of his girlfriends kicked him to the curb.. lol.)
                      Originally Posted by Briman123

                      I'd rather drink beer because drinking alot of beers makes you more manly.

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                      • Bird006
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 961

                        #12
                        Re: Women

                        This is how I've always approached females. With heavy, harmless sarcasm. It shows your wit and charm, and also provides humour without stepping on there toes. It also may seem cocky to most, but women love dudes with confidence. It's all psychological man... I swear. You gotta read the specific woman and then react to her. Because of this, I've never had trouble getting girls.

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                        • stewaat

                          #13
                          Re: Women

                          I also am huge with sarcasm but doing it playfully. Keep the ladies laughing and it's all good.

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                          • GenoG
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 1376

                            #14
                            Re: Women

                            I have no game whatsoever. Now that I am married I find myself trying to talk to more ladies for my buddy when we go out. I try to be a good wing man, and of course I have more confidence now that I know I'm not going for the high score.

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                            • Beantown
                              #DoYourJob
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 31523

                              #15
                              Re: Women

                              Originally posted by GenoG
                              I have no game whatsoever. Now that I am married I find myself trying to talk to more ladies for my buddy when we go out. I try to be a good wing man, and of course I have more confidence now that I know I'm not going for the high score.
                              Pfft.

                              A good wing man should be single, and willing to **** the fat chick that the hot girl your buddy is trying to score with brought along with her.

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