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  • ODogg
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    • Feb 2003
    • 37953

    #61
    Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

    Originally posted by keRplunK
    With that kind of logic you might as well kick 7 year olds in the face when they won't listen to you. You never know when a 7 year old has a gun in their shoe. Imagine if the 7 year old is on drugs and they grab your gun! I say punch and kick all emotional 7 year olds in the head because they deserve it.

    If they don't cooperate you have the right to do anything you want to anybody. If there was any danger whatsoever I'd agree with you guys, but there wasn't...
    Don't be ridiculous with kicking a seven year old in the face. But I will agree with you that if a 7 year old was resisting then yes and officer would be justified in trying to get him/her under control using force that is necessary for the situation.

    Once again, an officer does what is minimally necessary to get a situation under control and dangerous situations can occur in the most laughably minimal threats as seen by us civilians. In this case the officer continued to try to simply cuff the girl for several minutes, it's only when she bit him that the situation escalated.

    It's not about, as you suggest, using maximum heavy force on any perceived threat, no matter how unlikely, but rather about using minimal force as dictated by the situation to get it back into an officer's control. And that is exactly what was done here.
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    • trobinson97
      Lie,cheat,steal,kill: Win
      • Oct 2004
      • 16366

      #62
      Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

      Originally posted by ODogg
      Nice job, took my post completely out of context. I said that in reference to the comment stiffarmleft made about getting a boner cuffing her. Not in reference to her "deserving" anything. But yeah nice try.
      Nope, definitely didn't take your quote out of context, you might have just read it that way. I was simply responding as to why you would call this kid, who you don't even know I am sure, a "skank", for whatever reason. I've never heard someone use the word "skank" to describe a positive attribute of someone. When I hear it, I think of words like "slut", "whore", etc. So I say to myself, what has this child done to earn that title?
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      • ODogg
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        • Feb 2003
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        #63
        Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

        Originally posted by trobinson97
        Nope, definitely didn't take your quote out of context, you might have just read it that way. I was simply responding as to why you would call this kid, who you don't even know I am sure, a "skank", for whatever reason. I've never heard someone use the word "skank" to describe a positive attribute of someone. When I hear it, I think of words like "slut", "whore", etc. So I say to myself, what has this child done to earn that title?
        I said what she did, she looks like one. So wonder no more.
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        • jmood88
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          • Jul 2003
          • 34639

          #64
          Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

          I finally looked at the video, that girl was really annoying.
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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #65
            Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

            Originally posted by keRplunK
            With that kind of logic you might as well kick 7 year olds in the face when they won't listen to you. You never know when a 7 year old has a gun in their shoe. Imagine if the 7 year old is on drugs and they grab your gun! I say punch and kick all emotional 7 year olds in the head because they deserve it.

            If they don't cooperate you have the right to do anything you want to anybody. If there was any danger whatsoever I'd agree with you guys, but there wasn't...
            lol it's always hilarious when people make EXTREME examples to try and justify their view.
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            • MizzouBravesFan
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              • Mar 2004
              • 2489

              #66
              Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

              I'm going into the police academy in a few months and hopefully (God willing) when I become a LEO these are the kinds of things I HOPE I'll be able to avoid even though I know I won't be able to.

              The officer is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he refuses to use any force with her, he puts himself and the perp at risk and when he does what he's taught to do, stuff like this happens.

              It's a lose/lose situation.
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              • bkrich83
                Has Been
                • Jul 2002
                • 71582

                #67
                Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                Originally posted by MizzouBravesFan
                I'm going into the police academy in a few months and hopefully (God willing) when I become a LEO these are the kinds of things I HOPE I'll be able to avoid even though I know I won't be able to.

                The officer is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he refuses to use any force with her, he puts himself and the perp at risk and when he does what he's taught to do, stuff like this happens.

                It's a lose/lose situation.
                Agreed. In all honesty, I don't feel bad for the girl. She resisted, she bit him, she refused to listen to instruction, and she paid the price for it.
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                • grunt
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 9527

                  #68
                  Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                  Originally posted by ODogg
                  I said what she did, she looks like one. So wonder no more.

                  How did she look like a skank?

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                  • bkrich83
                    Has Been
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 71582

                    #69
                    Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                    Originally posted by grunt
                    How did she look like a skank?
                    Yeah I am not seeing how she looks like a skank. She looks like any other 15 year old I have seen lately.

                    She does however look like an arrest resister.
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                    • bkrich83
                      Has Been
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 71582

                      #70
                      Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                      Originally posted by trobinson97
                      Sure, whatever, you're a great brother. You'd say the same thing if that was your daughter too eh?

                      .
                      So wait, if they are a relative of yours then resisting arrest is acceptable behavior?
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                      • grunt
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 9527

                        #71
                        Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                        Originally posted by bkrich83
                        Yeah I am not seeing how she looks like a skank. She looks like any other 15 year old I have seen lately.

                        She does however look like an arrest resister.
                        We agree, being a police officer is a really tough job.

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                        • trobinson97
                          Lie,cheat,steal,kill: Win
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 16366

                          #72
                          Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                          Originally posted by bkrich83
                          So wait, if they are a relative of yours then resisting arrest is acceptable behavior?

                          Never said that. But if my 15 year old sister or daughter is getting punched in the face and pepper sprayed I'm not going to sit back thinking "The stupid bitch is getting what she deserves." Just like I am not sitting back thinking that now, even though the girl is no relation to me except a common ancestry.
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                          • ODogg
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                            • Feb 2003
                            • 37953

                            #73
                            Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                            Originally posted by grunt
                            How did she look like a skank?
                            Too skinny and just had a trashy look about her.
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                            • keRplunK
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 4080

                              #74
                              Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                              Originally posted by trobinson97
                              Never said that. But if my 15 year old sister or daughter is getting punched in the face and pepper sprayed I'm not going to sit back thinking "The stupid bitch is getting what she deserves." Just like I am not sitting back thinking that now, even though the girl is no relation to me except a common ancestry.
                              Wow, a rational thought.

                              She was resisting arrest, that doesn't mean that things had to go down how they did. She was in no way a threat to that police officer so how is what he did justified?

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                              • bkrich83
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                                • Jul 2002
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                                #75
                                Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                                Originally posted by trobinson97
                                Never said that. But if my 15 year old sister or daughter is getting punched in the face and pepper sprayed I'm not going to sit back thinking "The stupid bitch is getting what she deserves." Just like I am not sitting back thinking that now, even though the girl is no relation to me except a common ancestry.
                                If it was my daughter or my sister, I would have been embarrassed by her actions. As far as getting what she deserved, I am not really in that boat either, but I also don't find the behavior of the officer to be inappropriate.
                                Last edited by bkrich83; 10-09-2007, 02:33 PM.
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