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  • Heelfan71
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    • Jul 2002
    • 19940

    #151
    Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

    Originally posted by keRplunK
    It's subjective depending on how you view drug use and drug dealing...that's a different topic. But if two people are doing whatever in the parking lot, as long as they aren't directly effecting others in that area they are minding their own business. Whether it's drug dealing or exchanging xbox 360 games.

    I view drug use and dealing as breaking the law. The law isn't subjective. Try telling that to a judge.
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    • chance
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      • Dec 2006
      • 2219

      #152
      Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

      Originally posted by Heelfan71
      and that's the only time we hear about cops. The other 99% of the time they do their jobs correctly. Bottom line is when a cop tells you to put your hands behind your back, you do it. It's called respect. Obviously this girl didn't have any respect for authority. She wasn't raised right. The fact that she's 15 and dressed like a hoochie after curfew only confirms the fact she wasn't raised right.
      How is she dressed like a "hoochie" thats a normal outfit for a girl in highschool now. And just because she reacted the way she did doesnt mean she wasnt raised right she might not have even known that there was a curfew law when I was 15 I would not have either. I didnt know there was one until my JR year when my friend hit a car and it was in the newspaper. At 15 if I was alone and that happend I would have done the same thing I might not have taken a bite out of him but I would have done everything else she was because I would not have known what I did and would have been scared most likely the same way she was.
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      • Scottdau
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        • Feb 2003
        • 32580

        #153
        Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

        Originally posted by Heelfan71
        I view drug use and dealing as breaking the law. The law isn't subjective. Try telling that to a judge.

        What selling drugs is against the Law.

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        • keRplunK
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 4080

          #154
          Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

          Originally posted by Heelfan71
          I view drug use and dealing as breaking the law. The law isn't subjective. Try telling that to a judge.
          Some think drugs should be legal, some think drugs should be illegal.

          Drugs right now are illegal. I didn't say the law was subjective just your opinion on whether that is "minding your own business." If you agree with the law you would want the officer to step in if it's possible. If you don't agree with the law then you wouldn't.

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          • ODogg
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            • Feb 2003
            • 37953

            #155
            Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

            Originally posted by trobinson97
            OK, I see you're still fighting. Ok, let's take a look at what skank means, from a more credible source than Wikipedia of course:
            Thank you, my perception still is spot on, I do not find her sexually attractive and you can keep quoting any URL you want, that opinion will still stand.

            Originally posted by trobinson97
            OK, that's out of the way. Which applies to you? Did you find her of low or sleazy character? If so, why? Is she disgustingly foul or filthy, or perhaps sexually promiscuous in your mind? If so, why? Also, you didn't say she was skanky, but that she specifically, was a skank. How Odogg know this? What would make ODogg come to this highly ridiculous claim?
            Again, the original reference that I made to skank was someone said they would get a boner cuffing her, I said that I wouldn't because she looked skanky and I didn't find her attractive. You can argue all day about it but i'm not changing that opinion. As for where that opinion derives it is mostly from the sleazy and ridiculous, disgusting way she presented herself in that video. I hope that clears that up for you.

            Originally posted by trobinson97
            Well, anyway, let's take a look at the word prejudicereconceived judgment or opinion...an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge...an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

            None of that applies to you in this situation though, right?:
            Nope, sure doesn't. Prejudice definition from dictionary.com: prej·u·dice /ˈprɛdʒədɪs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prej-uh-dis] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing. -noun 3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

            Yes there are other definitions but I selected #3 because that is what most people think of when they hear that word (race). I said nothing about her race and in that context I am most certainly not the least bit prejudiced against her.

            Originally posted by trobinson97
            A wise man (I think it was Uchiha Itachi ) once said, "[SIZE=-1]You shouldn't judge others by their appearances and your preconceptions." [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Of course, you are free to do so, at the risk of coming off extremely ignorant.
            Once again, for the 100th time, the comment by me was in reference to her sexual attractiveness, not whether she deserved her punching and spraying. Not finding her sexually attractive must be based entirely on her appearance and behavior since I do not personally know her. And that my friend is called having an opinion which we all have. In that context we all judge people by their appearances and preconceptions if we do not know them..

            Originally posted by trobinson97
            Not really what?
            You said you felt you knew more than me about this because of your military experience. I said to that "not really".

            Originally posted by trobinson97
            And no, no one said the military and the police force were the exact same thing, but what is the military but the nation's police force?
            Once again you said your opinion was probably a more informed one due to your military experience. And I disagreed. And once again in your quote above you're contradicting yourself saying no one is saying they are the same thing, then turning around and saying that basically they are the same thing, LOL!

            Originally posted by trobinson97
            We got a lot of the same training as our MP's (Military Police fyi) so what are you saying not really to? That I don't understand policing as much as you? You already said you've never been a policeman, so you were former military or something? I can understand you liking to think you understand more, but just because you like to think that doesn't mean you do.
            You received some of the training that MP's do, well that's great. I have worked with and known many police officers for years, in addition to studying police work extensively on my own while preparing for police academy. I never said I understand more than you specifically in this regards due to you also having a unique insight as well. I put us on the same exact level in regards to our understanding. It is you who said that YOU knew more in your opinion and to me that is an erroneous assumption.

            The bottom line is all of this debate about whether she is hot or a skank is just a big diversion. The real debate should be: did this police officer act in the correct manner or not in the video? From what I can tell, based on my own opinion, she most certainly did instigate the situation and the officer responded not only correctly but put forth admirable restraint.
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            • davehughes14
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              • Jan 2005
              • 789

              #156
              Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

              Lots of good arguing here. Very entertaining!

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              • youvalss
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                • Feb 2007
                • 16601

                #157
                Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                She deserves it. She just was luck it was a "good cop". Next time when a cop tells u something - do it. If u wanna call your lawyer or file a suit or whatever - it's OK, but do it later. Fighting the cop certainly won't help u in the trial.
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                • Trevytrev11
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                  • Nov 2006
                  • 3259

                  #158
                  Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                  Go get in argument with someone bigger than you, bite their hand and see how they respond. Chances are you'll get hit in the face as well.

                  While an officer can be expected to prepare for a certain situation, the bottom line is that they are going to react like a human being to things that they are not accustomed to. How many people are used to getting bit by another human. You just don't expect it.

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                  • BigTigLSU
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                    • Sep 2002
                    • 6506

                    #159
                    Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                    Originally posted by Trevytrev11
                    Go get in argument with someone bigger than you, bite their hand and see how they respond. Chances are you'll get hit in the face as well.

                    While an officer can be expected to prepare for a certain situation, the bottom line is that they are going to react like a human being to things that they are not accustomed to. How many people are used to getting bit by another human. You just don't expect it.
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                    • trobinson97
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                      • Oct 2004
                      • 16366

                      #160
                      Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                      Originally posted by ODogg
                      Again, the original reference that I made to skank was someone said they would get a boner cuffing her, I said that I wouldn't because she looked skanky and I didn't find her attractive. You can argue all day about it but i'm not changing that opinion. As for where that opinion derives it is mostly from the sleazy and ridiculous, disgusting way she presented herself in that video. I hope that clears that up for you.
                      No, you didn't say she looked skanky, you said she was a skank. This is something you could only either say because you knew something about her we didn't, or you're just an ignorant dude trying to be funny on a forum and you came to that conclusion based solely on how she looks (aka prejudice/preconcieved judgement/adverse opinion formed without just grounds).


                      Originally posted by Odogg
                      Nope, sure doesn't. Prejudice definition from dictionary.com: prej·u·dice /ˈprɛdʒədɪs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prej-uh-dis] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing. -noun 3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

                      Yes there are other definitions but I selected #3 because that is what most people think of when they hear that word (race). I said nothing about her race and in that context I am most certainly not the least bit prejudiced against her.
                      So you didn't say anything about her race, big deal. I never said you did. You did however form an opinion of her based solely on her looks. You said "She's a skinny skank!" Here she is, a 15 year girl getting arrested and is scared out of her mind. She's not wearing revealing clothes, there's no indication she was out looking for dates for cash, but the one thing that comes to your mind, for WHATEVER reason, is that she is a skank. Even skanky id ridiculous, what about that girl is skanky to you dude? What could it be? Is it her clothes, her skin? I mean seriously, what's so skanky about this kid? If you weren't pre judging her then I don't know what you were doing.



                      Originally posted by Odogg
                      Once again, for the 100th time, the comment by me was in reference to her sexual attractiveness, not whether she deserved her punching and spraying. Not finding her sexually attractive must be based entirely on her appearance and behavior since I do not personally know her. And that my friend is called having an opinion which we all have. In that context we all judge people by their appearances and preconceptions if we do not know them..
                      Here's how you say someone is not sexually attractive: "I don't find her to be sexually attractive." You see, that's an opinion formed on just grounds, because you know what's attractive to you. Saying she's "skanky" or "slutty" or whatever other derogative adjective is formed without just grounds, in_this_case. Besides, she's 15, you're damn near 40 (going by your profile, that could be false, I don't know), why are you worried about her sexual attractiveness anyway? What a big man you are anyway to call a child a skank just because you don't think she's cute.



                      Originally posted by ODogg
                      You said you felt you knew more than me about this because of your military experience. I said to that "not really".
                      Oh right, because you've never been in either.



                      Originally posted by ODogg
                      Once again you said your opinion was probably a more informed one due to your military experience. And I disagreed. And once again in your quote above you're contradicting yourself saying no one is saying they are the same thing, then turning around and saying that basically they are the same thing, LOL!
                      LOL!? Sigh, whatever. I said, "no one said the military and the police force were the exact same thing" and that's right. No one said that. THEN, I issued an an argument that showed how they were alike. Still, never saying they were the exact same thing, but putting the notion out there that there are a lot of ways they are alike. You just either took it out of context on purpose, or you didn't comprehend the statement well enough so you went with what you understood. In any case, there's a great reason why people getting out of the army are heavily recruited by the Police. Go ask any officer why that is.



                      Originally posted by ODogg
                      You received some of the training that MP's do, well that's great. I have worked with and known many police officers for years, in addition to studying police work extensively on my own while preparing for police academy. I never said I understand more than you specifically in this regards due to you also having a unique insight as well. I put us on the same exact level in regards to our understanding. It is you who said that YOU knew more in your opinion and to me that is an erroneous assumption.
                      Yes you're right. You never said that you understand more than me in this regards. What you said was that you like to think you understand more than me and the other "civvy" minded people. It wasn't until I pointed out that you were making pre conceived assumption on people with no idea of their background that you changed it up. In other words, you grouped a lot of people who thought the police officer was not justified into the civilian-minded (or uninformed) group, and the ones who thought the cop was justified into another. Funny thing is, according to you, you've never been anything more (or less depending on how you look at it) than a civilian. You've never been a cop, you've never been a soldier. You say you studied this and prepared for that, but you have experienced neither. That's the bottom line.

                      My response to you was that given the info you gave us on your background (that you have never been a policeman, or a military man) was that "I'd like to think I know more about it than you", seeing as how I actually went through all the official training, and dealt hands on as opposed to talking with cop buddies and reading some books. You can put us on the same level of understanding all you want, but that doesn't make it so. That's the same thing I said when you said you'd like to think you understand more. I can understand liking to think things like that, but just because it makes you feel good, it doesn't mean it's true.

                      Originally posted by ODogg
                      The bottom line is all of this debate about whether she is hot or a skank is just a big diversion. The real debate should be: did this police officer act in the correct manner or not in the video? From what I can tell, based on my own opinion, she most certainly did instigate the situation and the officer responded not only correctly but put forth admirable restraint.

                      Yeah it is a big diversion, and I'm sure you really want to get back to the original discussion. I don't blame you in the slightest. Truth of the matter is, the discussion is still going on, so this little side thing isn't hurting anyone as far as I can see. Also, it never would have happened had you chose to think before calling the kid a skank. It was a great debate I thought until you and someone else (I forget now) resorted to calling the girl names.
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                      • Pared
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 39337

                        #161
                        Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                        TR, as much as I don't agree with ODogg here, have you ever looked at someone and called her "skanky?"

                        I know I have...
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                        • Trevytrev11
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 3259

                          #162
                          Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                          Originally posted by trobinson97
                          Here she is, a 15 year girl getting arrested and is scared out of her mind.
                          So he's not allowed to call her a skank because he knows nothing about her, but you get to say she's scared out of her mind? Do you know her?

                          How do you know she's scared? Maybe she's a repeat offender and has no respect for police and therefore no fear of the law? Maybe she's drunk or high or suffers from mental problems. I mean if you want to take everything this guy says litterally, then shouldn't you be held accountable for the same?

                          The guy called her a skank, so what? He doesn't have to explain what his definition of a skank is to the way you interpretit it. I use the words ******** and gay out of context all of the time, I don't feel the need to clarify it every time I say it. Most people understand the way I am using it and wouldn't think twice about it. Examples: "Dude, quit being gay and just give me beer." "Dude, quit being ******** and catch the damn ball!"

                          I don't mean to jump in the conversation, but arguing over the litteral meaning of someones words isn't going to solve anything.
                          Last edited by Trevytrev11; 10-10-2007, 03:31 PM.

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                          • Trevytrev11
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 3259

                            #163
                            Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                            Originally posted by Pared
                            TR, as much as I don't agree with ODogg here, have you ever looked at someone and called her "skanky?"

                            I know I have...

                            And if you don't say it, you know you've thought it and if not, then you're obviously better than most people in the world.

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                            • ODogg
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 37953

                              #164
                              Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                              Originally posted by Trevytrev11

                              The guy called her a skank, so what? He doesn't have to explain what his definition of a skank is to the way you interpretit it. I use the words ******** and gay out of context all of the time, I don't feel the need to clarify it every time I say it. Most people understand the way I am using it and wouldn't think twice about it. Examples: "Dude, quit being gay and just give me beer." "Dude, quit being ******** and catch the damn ball!"

                              I don't mean to jump in the conversation, but arguing over the litteral meaning of someones words isn't going to solve anything.
                              Thank you for stating very clearly what I've been trying to state in my much longer posts. And yeah I'm sure trobinson always says to his buds when they are at the mall "Hey dude, check out that blonde over there, I find her very sexually attractive"....LOL I just wonder if he follows that up with a "I'd like to have sexual intercourse with her however, not to procreate but rather for entertainment purposes" *rolls eyes*..geesh..

                              But yeah, just to be clear, I found her to be sexually unattractive and not a skank, so as not to offend any of the more faint of heart here who visit these forums.
                              Last edited by ODogg; 10-10-2007, 03:41 PM.
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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 39337

                                #165
                                Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                                Originally posted by ODogg
                                And yeah I'm sure trobinson always says to his buds when they are at the mall [b]"Hey dude, check out that blonde over there, I find her very sexually attractive"....LOL I just wonder if he follows that up with a "I'd like to have sexual intercourse with her but not to procreate but rather for entertainment purposes" *rolls eyes*..geesh..
                                Now you're doing the same exact thing you're accusing him of doing: making assumptions.
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