Man kills two while on the phone with cops

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Man kills two while on the phone with cops

There is nothing important enough to justify stealing from another.

I know you're in law, so is the shooter screwed here? Does it matter if the shooter shot them not on his property?

[thelwig14]

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Sure there is. Lots of justifications. Like starving children who can't get anything to eat, and have to steal that food the vendor has out on the street, or steals a couple dollars so he can afford to get some food, because no one will help him or give him the chance to earn his food. There certainly are reasons in this world.

Nope. Anytime there is a point where starving children are involved, there are a million other LEGAL routes to take. There is no excuse to steal. Period. End of story.

[MC Fatigue]

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Robbery (armed?) is not a mistake.

That's what you think. I completely disagree. It certainly could be a mistake. Do you know the victims yet? Do you know if they were mentally disturbed at all? Perhaps they didn't fully understand exactly what they were doing - perhaps their minds weren't able to comprehend the difference between what was right and wrong? There are so many cases where it could be a mistake.

[Double Eights]

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Sure there is. Lots of justifications. Like starving children who can't get anything to eat, and have to steal that food the vendor has out on the street, or steals a couple dollars so he can afford to get some food, because no one will help him or give him the chance to earn his food. There certainly are reasons in this world.

They broke into a families house, and stole a bag full of money.

You want to feed your kids? Apply for food stamps. Get a job. Steal from fast food joints. Don't break into someone's house. A person's house is their sanctuary, their private place.

[MC Fatigue]

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Nope. Anytime there is a point where starving children are involved, there are a million other LEGAL routes to take. There is no excuse to steal. Period. End of story.

Again, I completely disagree. If there were a million other legal routes to take, children in Africa wouldn't be starving and dying every single day. Wake up.

[MassNole]

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I got that point and that is why I think he is really screwed and will be in a lot of trouble. That being said I wish I had a neighbor like him (actually I think I do).

[ex carrabba fan]

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The point some of you are missing (must not have read the article) is that it was his neighbors house, not his. He wasn't protecting himself or his property. From listening to the entire 911 call it's pretty clear this guy went out of his way to kill these guys because he was pissed off about what they were doing.

Wow completely missed this. What do you guys think about it now?

[Double Eights]

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Again, I completely disagree. If there were a million other legal routes to take, children in Africa wouldn't be starving and dying every single day. Wake up.

This is AMERICA, not AFRICA.

[jmood88]

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I know you're in law, so is the shooter screwed here? Does it matter if the shooter shot them not on his property?

All that matters is how the jury feels about it and seeing as how it's in Texas and it's a guy "protecting" his neighbor's property I don't see how he's going to get jail time.

[MC Fatigue]

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A lot of you people clearly haven't been around the world and experienced it if you really think everything can be solved by "going and getting a job" or "applying for food stamps", or if you think there are a "million legal ways" to do something.

There are people in the world who have absolutely no other options, and there are people who are mentally unable to comprehend between right and wrong.

Why can't you wrap your head around that and realize sometimes things are terrible mistakes, and sometimes there is no other option.

People don't deserve to die because they broke into a house. They need to go to jail, or get the mental help (in certain cases) they need.

It's too bad so many people in this world think the way to solve crimes is to go and kill the person. That's no better than being a murderer.

I'm so absolutely disgusted by the people in this thread, that I'm just going to leave it now and hope I never run into people like you in the real world. I'm glad the people I know are mostly understanding and not so narrow minded.

[MC Fatigue]

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This is AMERICA, not AFRICA.

Thanks for that obvious point out...

[MassNole]

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I know you're in law, so is the shooter screwed here? Does it matter if the shooter shot them not on his property?

If this was any state besides California I'd say he is screwed.

Looking at the facts this is what goes against him.
1) He used deadly force to defend property. Deadly force is only allowed when your life is in jeopardy and you have no means of escape (except from your own house).
2) He was defending the property of another. Deadly force is never acceptable to do this.
3) He shot them in the back, even had they been in his house and had posed a deadly threat shooting them in the back when they were presumably retreating would be problematic.

What's going for him:
1) He's in California. Juries in CA are known for disregarding the law in making decisions.
2) Public policy. As this thread shows there are people out there who don't condemn him for this behavior, all he needs is one on a jury. A California jury nonetheless.

[Cebby]

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Sure there is. Lots of justifications. Like starving children who can't get anything to eat, and have to steal that food the vendor has out on the street, or steals a couple dollars so he can afford to get some food, because no one will help him or give him the chance to earn his food. There certainly are reasons in this world.

If you're too pathetic to get a real job, man the **** up and sell cocaine. That doesn't hurt any unwilling participants.

[ex carrabba fan]

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If this was any state besides California I'd say he is screwed.

Looking at the facts this is what goes against him.
1) He used deadly force to defend property. Deadly force is only allowed when your life is in jeopardy and you have no means of escape (except from your own house).
2) He was defending the property of another. Deadly force is never acceptable to do this.
3) He shot them in the back, even had they been in his house and had posed a deadly threat shooting them in the back when they were presumably retreating would be problematic.

What's going for him:
1) He's in California. Juries in CA are known for disregarding the law in making decisions.
2) Public policy. As this thread shows there are people out there who don't condemn him for this behavior, all he needs is one on a jury. A California jury nonetheless.

Interesting break down. This is going to be an intriguing case. You think it could be a landmark/historic case? Or not so much.

[jmood88]

Re: Man kills two while on the phone with cops

If this was any state besides California I'd say he is screwed.

Looking at the facts this is what goes against him.
1) He used deadly force to defend property. Deadly force is only allowed when your life is in jeopardy and you have no means of escape (except from your own house).
2) He was defending the property of another. Deadly force is never acceptable to do this.
3) He shot them in the back, even had they been in his house and had posed a deadly threat shooting them in the back when they were presumably retreating would be problematic.

What's going for him:
1) He's in California. Juries in CA are known for disregarding the law in making decisions.
2) Public policy. As this thread shows there are people out there who don't condemn him for this behavior, all he needs is one on a jury. A California jury nonetheless.

Wow I don't know why I thought this was Texas.