College Presidents Want Drinking Age Lowered...

[Acid]

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Yeah, that is exactly what South Dakota v. Dole 483 US 203 (1987) did. Seriously do you ever have any idea what you are talking about or do you just put random words together and hope for the best?

[MassNole]

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You get caught again, get a lawyer.

Demand a trial by jury, and instruct your lawyer to educate the jury on "jury nullification." If he is any good, you'll be set free.

Given that he probably got it CWAF'd jury nullification wouldn't do all that much here. Besides it is just as easy for a semi-skilled DA to scare the hell out of a bunch of people too stupid to get out of jury duty about the dangers of an irresponsible child consuming alcohol.

I think there needs to be one age (black and white) in which you go from being a child or teen to an adult. Once you reach that age, all of the adult "privleges" are available.

R Movie - 17 or with a parent
NC-17 Movie - 17
Smoke - 18
Buy Porn - 18
Play Lotto - 18
Vote - 18
Get Married - 18 unless consent in most states
Join Millitary - 18 unless consent
Go to strip club - 18
Gamble at an Indian Casino - 18
Gamble at a non Indian Casino - 21
Drink - 21
Rent a Car - 25

If you are an adult at 18, then IMO you should be given all adult "privleges"

There are actually no laws regulating who can see an R or NC-17 movie. The rating system is designed by a private (and largely conservative Christian) organization that randomly grants ratings. For example Titanic got a PG-13 rating despite nudity (usually an automatic R).

Similarly renting cars is a rule set forth by private companies. There is now law mandating an age. Hell, members of the ABA can rent a car under 25 with their membership into the ABA.

As for the military at 18, you can drink if you're in the military. So you know what 18-20 year olds, if it means that much then sign up or STFU.

It doens't matter if an individual abuses a substance or not. It is their body, it is their right to do as they please...UNTIL...they violate another individuals liberty and freedom.

An individual might use his truck as a weapon. Should we ban trucks on suspicion?

An individual might use his gun to murder an innocent civilian. Should we ban guns?

An individual might abuse over-the-counter meds and get behind the wheel and mow down a family of four. Should we ban meds?

You punish the criminal for actually committing the crime, not because they might commit the crime.

No, it's a right.

Prohibition says what's up...I can brew beer in my basement if I want.

If it's a privilege then there has to be a way to lose the privilege to drink. Outside of prohibition (and being incarcerated and such), I can't think of a way for a person to lose their "privilege" to drink. Unless you consider a working liver a privilege, in which case I'll have to concede.

Drinking is a privilege and it can be taken away. It isn't uncommon for a condition of probation or parole to be the loss of the ability to drink alcohol. Likewise Prohibition as nothing to do with the right to consume alcohol as much as it did the states' rights to control the distribution of alcohol. Any state that wanted to could lower the age to whatever they wanted, they will just lose federal highway funs under South Dakota v. Dole. Congress is allowed to place conditions on this type of spending. It isn't some huge travesty that the drinking age is 21. As Cebby as pointed out the concern here is the ready access 14-17 year olds would have to alcohol if the drinking age was 18. At this age your body and brain is still developing and the alcohol could have a significant impact on that development. Please tell me where Congress and the states are out of line here?

[Brandon13]

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Drinking is a privilege and it can be taken away. It isn't uncommon for a condition of probation or parole to be the loss of the ability to drink alcohol. Likewise Prohibition as nothing to do with the right to consume alcohol as much as it did the states' rights to control the distribution of alcohol. Any state that wanted to could lower the age to whatever they wanted, they will just lose federal highway funs under South Dakota v. Dole. Congress is allowed to place conditions on this type of spending. It isn't some huge travesty that the drinking age is 21. As Cebby as pointed out the concern here is the ready access 14-17 year olds would have to alcohol if the drinking age was 18. At this age your body and brain is still developing and the alcohol could have a significant impact on that development. Please tell me where Congress and the states are out of line here?

Is voting considered a privilege then? I know in some states convicted felons can't vote.

[MassNole]

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Voting is a right that can be taken away by one's actions. Voting is also one of the most important parts of our democratic society, drinking is not. Just like a state could lower the drinking age it could raise it at well. The Amendment that removed prohibition merely made the control of alcohol the state's domain to control, it just so happens that the age they all choose is 21. Drinking and voting are entirely different in this, and well any context.

[Lintyfresh85]

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I see both sides.

If you can fight, smoke, vote and do whatever else you want at 18, and you want to combat binge drinking in younger kids... it makes sense.

But as someone who at 23, realizes how stupid I was at 21 when I was drinking all the time and not making bright decisions, I am horrified at what an 18 year old might do if they are able to get their hands on alcohol legally.

So, I'm against lowering the age, but I wouldn't be shocked if someday it actually happens.

[MassNole]

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I see both sides.

If you can fight, smoke, vote and do whatever else you want at 18, and you want to combat binge drinking in younger kids... it makes sense.

But as someone who at 23, realizes how stupid I was at 21 when I was drinking all the time and not making bright decisions, I am horrified at what an 18 year old might do if they are able to get their hands on alcohol legally.

So, I'm against lowering the age, but I wouldn't be shocked if someday it actually happens.

I would be willing to bet marijuana will be legalized before the drinking age is lowered.

[Lintyfresh85]

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I would be willing to bet marijuana will be legalized before the drinking age is lowered.

Most definitely. I did a report my freshman year on how much money the U.S. would stand to make if they could find a way to legally tax marijuana sales, and the amount of money they'd make blew my mind.

[Brandon13]

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Voting is a right that can be taken away by one's actions. Voting is also one of the most important parts of our democratic society, drinking is not. Just like a state could lower the drinking age it could raise it at well. The Amendment that removed prohibition merely made the control of alcohol the state's domain to control, it just so happens that the age they all choose is 21. Drinking and voting are entirely different in this, and well any context.

Well, the voting age can also be arbitrarily changed and has been in the passed, though I'm almost positive that is a federal issue. And currently the only way for a person to lose their right/privilege to drink is by their own actions. If a license or permit was required to drink then it'd be a privilege, imo But if all one has to do to be able to drink is turn 21 then I think it's a right.

I guess a better comparison would be having to obtain a permit to carry a concealed firearm (privilege), but buying a shotgun, rifle, etc. only requires the person to be 18 (right).

[jmood88]

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Seriously do you ever have any idea what you are talking about or do you just put random words together and hope for the best?

I'll take "No" for $500, Alex.

[MassNole]

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Well, the voting age can also be arbitrarily changed and has been in the passed, though I'm almost positive that is a federal issue. And currently the only way for a person to lose their right/privilege to drink is by their own actions. If a license or permit was required to drink then it'd be a privilege, imo But if all one has to do to be able to drink is turn 21 then I think it's a right.

I guess a better comparison would be having to obtain a permit to carry a concealed firearm (privilege), but buying a shotgun, rifle, etc. only requires the person to be 18 (right).

I wouldn't say it can be arbitrarily changed, I am pretty sure it would take an act of Congress.

[superjames1992]

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I'll take "No" for $500, Alex.

And you know any better?

I knew that it was legal for the federal government to pressure the states into those sorts of laws (federalization). I just didn't know exactly which court case made it legal, but I'm willing to be that 99% of the people here know what the name of it is unless you're a lawyer (like Massnole).

[jmood88]

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And you know any better?

I knew that it was legal for the federal government to pressure the states into those sorts of laws (federalization). I just didn't know exactly which court case made it legal, but I'm willing to be that 99% of the people here know what the name of it is unless you're a lawyer (like Massnole).

I know alot more than you in general but on this topic, I don't know much about it but I'm not the one talking about it like I'm some kind of authority. You always have these rambling crazily conservative posts and it's quite entertaining so keep it up just don't expect very many people to agree with you or think that what you're saying is correct.

[jmood88]

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Right on time.

[MC Fatigue]

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Your Thoughts?

I see no problem with it. I'm from Canada - and our ages are 18 and 19 (depending on the province).

And it's not like we have a higher percentage of alcohol related crimes and accidents than the US does.

[Cebby]

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Nice link. Our founding fathers would scorn at us today when they would see how we are inching towards socialism. We've done just about everything that they warned us against.

The "founding fathers" where slave owning ***holes. If they were alive today, they'd be doing life in the pokey.