Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

[Double Eights]

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Here's one thing for Double Eights though. If marajuana is so harmless as you put it then why do people check into rehab to try to get off of it?

If they've been arrested for use, it's part of their plea bargain.

No one voluntarily goes to rehab for marijuana use, as there is no reason to. It's not addictive.

For anyone who does voluntarily go into rehab, they do so because it's in their personality to do so. Either because of their guilt (which I've never heard of), or from peer pressure due to the social stigma.

[jim416]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

Your "opinion" about what is unjust is duly noted. Whine away.

[RAZRr1275]

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If they've been arrested for use, it's part of their plea bargain.

No one voluntarily goes to rehab for marijuana use, as there is no reason to. It's not addictive.

For anyone who does voluntarily go into rehab, they do so because it's in their personality to do so. Either because of their guilt (which I've never heard of), or from peer pressure due to the social stigma.

Guilt comes from a feeling of doing something wrong. Peer pressure to quit would come from the drug ruining that persons and even other people's lives. I've seen plenty of people voluntarily go to rehab for marijuana use and have seen plenty people addicted to it.

[jim416]

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Having taught this stuff. Marijuana is definitely a steppingstone drug. It's a drug that can also make you get in a car, drive and kill someone. But again, it's the amount involved when a cop contacts you that sets the wheels in motion.

Plea bargains are pre-trial and I've got to question how much marijuana was involved, who was involved, where, etc., etc. as there isn't a trial lawyer worth his salt that would let a minor marijuana possession even go this far. If it had to be plea bargained.....I dunno.

[Double Eights]

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Guilt comes from a feeling of doing something wrong(1). Peer pressure to quit would come from the drug ruining that persons and even other people's lives. I've seen plenty of people voluntarily go to rehab for marijuana use and have seen plenty people addicted to it.(2)

1. And this guilt comes from the social stigma. To say that one person feels guilty for doing something, it should be illegal?

-Everytime I yell at my parents I feel guilty. Should I be punished for doing so?
-I feel guilty sometimes for playing video games too long, was I wrong in doing so? Should I be punished for doing so?

You can't punish someone or consider something "wrong" due to someone feeling guilty over it. It may have been "wrong" for them, but no two people are the same. Guilty is a sign of doing something wrong, but your wrong and my wrong aren't always the same.

2. I don't believe this at all. Marijuana has no addictive chemicals in it, whatsoever. It isn't the marijuana that made them check into rehab, it was how their personality was wired. If it wasn't marijuana use that they used as their crutch, it'd be alcohol. Or it'd be playing video games. They would cling to something and then blame it for their failures, because they don't have the balls to admit that their personal choices are what screwed them.

[jim416]

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1. And this guilt comes from the social stigma. To say that one person feels guilty for doing something, it should be illegal?

Everytime I yell at my parents I feel guilty. Should I be punished for doing so?

2. I don't believe this at all. Marijuana has no addictive chemicals in it, whatsoever. It isn't the marijuana that made them check into rehab, it was how their personality was wired. If it wasn't marijuana use that they used as their crutch, it'd be alcohol. Or it'd be playing video games. They would cling to something and then blame it for their failures, because they don't have the balls to admit that their personal choices are what screwed them.

Yelling at your parents is not a crime. Marijuana possession is.

Having dealt with a lot of kids hooked on marijuana, regardless of your medical expertise, I can tell you it is a problem.

Can we ask what particular situation has you so upset? Other than some idiot cop.

[Double Eights]

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Having taught this stuff. Marijuana is definitely a steppingstone drug. It's a drug that can also make you get in a car, drive and kill someone. But again, it's the amount involved when a cop contacts you that sets the wheels in motion.

Plea bargains are pre-trial and I've got to question how much marijuana was involved, who was involved, where, etc., etc. as there isn't a trial lawyer worth his salt that would let a minor marijuana possession even go this far. If it had to be plea bargained.....I dunno.

Again...it's all about personality.

I smoke weed. Do I want to try heroine? For God's sake no.

Those who smoke weed and then go and use hard drugs were prone to doing so before they started smoking weed. Weed doesn't all of a sudden make your brain go "**** man, let's start snorting coke tomorrow."

[Double Eights]

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Can we ask what particular situation has you so upset? Other than some idiot cop.

Why were you (and others) so angry when I generalized cops?

There's your answer.

[jim416]

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It's a "steppingstone drug" for many/most. I'm glad that you are personally strong enough to limit yourself just to toking.

[jim416]

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Why were you (and others) so angry when I generalized cops?

There's your answer.

Well, let's see, you generalize cops, but don't go there with marijuana use. Look I"ll leave you alone, just asking what has set this off with you? If you don't care to elaborate, then I"ll go back to The Show forums, where I belong.

[RAZRr1275]

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Yeah I think I'm done in this thread too.

[jim416]

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FYI, purely educational.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj015.htm

[Double Eights]

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It's a "steppingstone drug" for many/most.

I disagree with this.

I know very, very few people who have ever done anything other than marijuana. And those that I do know who have tired hard drugs, I can pinpoint what it is in their personality that would make them do so. Whether it be it family problems, or psychological problems (feelings of inadequecy, et al). They can't cope, so they find a crutch in drugs.

And what's the problem if they do use hard drugs? If they aren't harming anyone, why do you care what they do in their spare time? For all I know my neighbor could be sodomizing himself every night, and that's terrible for his body. Should I call the cops and have him arrested for hurting himself?

We are each individuals, born with the right to make our own individual choices and to do with our body as we like. When we start violating other's rights, then the police are needed. Until then, let people do with their body as they choose. If that means sodomizing themselves, or smoking weed, so be it. It really isn't any of your business what they do. Nor is it my business what you do in your own spare time.

Edit: You ask me why I act the way I do. The short answer is, the fact that people think it's their right to tell another individual how to live their life. How people pass judgment on others due to their personal choices, regardless of whether or not said choices effect them [person who judges] in the slightest.

[MassNole]

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I was researching this in medical journals for a client, marijuana is not considered to be a gateway drug. Now is that to say marijuana is not the first drug used by those who go on to use harder drugs, no, but there are numerous environmental and personal factors that come into play. But then again a lot of people who transition to those drugs (this comes from personal experience) started with tobacco and alcohol at young ages. Those are both legal, despite being more addictive than marijuana, and each presenting considerably greater health complications down the road than marijuana does.

[MassNole]

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The Institute of Medicine's 1999 report on marijuana explained that marijuana has been mistaken for a gateway drug in the past because "Patterns in progression of drug use from adolescence to adulthood are strikingly regular. Because it is the most widely used illicit drug, marijuana is predictably the first illicit drug most people encounter. Not surprisingly, most users of other illicit drugs have used marijuana first. In fact, most drug users begin with alcohol and nicotine before marijuana, usually before they are of legal age." Source: Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999).