OS Off Topic 2009

[baumy300]

Re: OS Off Topic 2009

Man, some of you guys are unreal.

Something provoked that officer to draw his weapon. As far as shooting it, I don't know, but he obviously seen something that triggered him to draw down on the guy.

The other two officers were still fumbling around with the guy. He was obviously being targeted by 3 officers for a reason. Sure he was cooperating at the time, which is PROBABLY because he had 3 officers wrecking his ****, but why would there be 3 officers just "harassing" this poor, young man? He obviously did something to get that unwanted attention. Also, did it ever mention in the video if he had a weapon or not? Guess they failed to mention that in this video...

The guy could have been reaching for a weapon or some sort of instrument he could inflict pain with. The other 2 officers could not see that, where as the officer standing could. That is what probably shocked the other 2, unaware officers. No trained cop is just going to draw down on a man, yet alone just blast him if there is no reason. Especially in a public place with a ton of people present!

Sure, the pictures of Mr. Grant show him smiling, looking innocent and harmless, etc... That is because the media is trying to make you feel like he was just a victim of these big bad police officers who were just randomly pulling people off of trains to shoot them.

Until I hear the other side of this sugar coated story, I will stand by that officers side. No matter how much you hate the police, you have to know deep down that if that suspect had not done something, or had given some kind of sign that he would not have been drawn down on, yet alone shot.

Think about it. We don't know anything other than they just took him to the ground (again, why?) and ended up drawing their weapon on him.

Either way it is a sad story, but I won't even get into how the media will twist and turn things. Let's wait for the internal affairs department to investigate the officer and find out why did what he did. Until then, think about this -

It's so easy to take hours and sit back to critique a decision that someone made in under a second.

EDIT: I just watched the video again. Did you see the skirmish that took place seconds before the shooting? He was fighting, possibly reaching for something. Why do you think they got up so quickly? Because he was overpowering them? Who knows what he was going for! Remember, they were called there because of a fight. People carry knives and guns in fights. Maybe, just maybe they got word from someone detained that he was packing. Call me crazy, but maybe he went for it?

[Husker_OS]

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Yeah so the flight is at 9 AM...which means my *** would have to be awake at 7 AM or even earlier. So no, not doing that.


I'm going over to her place tomorrow when she gets back around noonish. If this is anything like my past relationships, we'll be **** buddies for 6 months until she all of a sudden can't do it anymore because she's getting attached. At which point I will choose no sex+no relationship with her over sex+relationship because in 6 months my happy *** will have 1 more semester of college before moving off to somewhere other than Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, or Florida. Really I don't want to live in the Southeast to start off at all(yeah, yeah spare me the redneck in Cali or New York jokes lol).

[Double Eights]

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If he had a weapon on him, that would have been reported immediately.

Cops, I assume, are trained to physically subdue an individual. You're trying to tell me at least two (I forgot how many were there) can't hold down one guy? They need one to get up, draw his weapon, then fire?

It goes right along with tazering. Why use your training when you can tazer them?

If two cops can't handle one guy, and even need their guns when he is on the ground, they should find a new profession.

[baumy300]

Re: OS Off Topic 2009

If he had a weapon on him, that would have been reported immediately.

Not necessarily.

Cops, I assume, are trained to physically subdue an individual. You're trying to tell me at least two (I forgot how many were there) can't hold down one guy? They need one to get up, draw his weapon, then fire?

Oh yeah, all cops are just rough and tough individuals with brute strength. If just one cop gave that guy the business and held him down then you would whine about excessive force. The reason it takes 3 is so that you don't have to go 1 on 1 and try even harder to subdue him. When there are 3 officers, most people cooperate. The stupid ones still want to fight. Also, keep this in mind - Police Officers can't kick, scratch, punch, bite, headbutt, etc... like the suspects can. You go into a full fledged fight and try to win only with wrist locks and limited take down techniques. That is what we are given as options to stay in the limits of appropriate force. Now, in a situation like that, or a possible situation like that, wouldn't you rather have 2 friends with to help? Like I said, more force would be used on a take down if there was only one officer. There has to be.

It goes right along with tazering. Why use your training when you can tazer them?

Some officers and departments don't have tazers. Good chance this department did, but they did not need the tazer to take him down. The real trouble started when he was down and when whatever happened that put the officer on high alert came about, his first instinct was to reach for his weapon. I see a knife or gun and I go straight for my weapon. It is how we are trained. Let's be honest - A leather vest, big sweater, jacket, etc... doesn't always allow the tazer to penetrate. So then what? One officer is dead and you're standing there with your tazer...

If two cops can't handle one guy, and even need their guns when he is on the ground, they should find a new profession.

They had him handled. They backed off for a reason. No one knows why, but I can't think of any other reason than him going for something that could do immediate harm. What? Do you think that officer behind him stood right up and the one in front started to scramble backwards because he ripped ***?

Really, I understand the points a lot of you make. I know how it is to look at that video and just ignore reading between the lines, but you have to remember, there are other sides to the story. A lot of officers have died during ground struggles. Even when they outnumbered the suspect.

Just try, at least try to look at it from this view. You can't really be that blinded by police ignorance that you honestly feel this was just an intentional shooting of an unarmed, innocent man, can you?

[Bruins]

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You can't really be that blinded by police ignorance that you honestly feel this was just an intentional shooting of an unarmed, innocent man, can you?

He's just bitter that he got caught doing something illegal and is being punished for it.

[baumy300]

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He's just bitter that he got caught doing something illegal and is being punished for it.

Yeah man, I remember him telling the story.

He is just like a ton of other people out there who have been charged/arrested with something. They know they are breaking the law, they know they are in the wrong, and they know that they could be caught. Yet when they do get caught, they refuse to take responsibility for their actions, try to find an excuse, and start to blame everyone else but themselves.

Just man up and say "Dang, I screwed up. I should have known better."

[ChubbyBanana]

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He's just bitter that he got caught doing something illegal and is being punished for it.

Someone finally said it...

[bjf1377]

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Edit: It should be known the people of Greece went into riots over the same type of situation. This happens on a daily basis in this country, and we sit here on our hands. It makes me want to ****ing puke.

Oh, cause the cops go out searching for people to kill on a daily basis and aren't ever placed in a situation where they need to defend themselves or others....

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...line-duty.html

TWINSBURG, Ohio -- A Twinsburg K-9 officer was shot four times in the head during a traffic stop on Sunday.

A preliminary autopsy was done Monday on Officer Joshua Miktarian, 33. He had pulled a car over at about 2 a.m. when he was shot.

According to the Cuyahoga County coroner, only one bullet of medium caliber was found.

Police said Miktarian called for backup after pulling over Ashford Thompson, 23. They said Thompson fled and shot at Miktarian.

Officers said Thompson was pulled over because Miktarian heard loud music and thought Thompson might have been driving under the influence.

Here is an update in case anyone wanted to know. The Piece of trash Ashford Thompson plead not guilty, and claimed he shot Officer Miktarian in self defense. The prosecutor called this "laughable".

Officer Miktarian was shot 4 times in the head, with Thompson's own gun. Officer Miktarian was unable to draw his weapon. Self defense my ***.

http://www.freep.com/article/20081229/NEWS05/812290325/?imw=Y

A 16-year-old Detroit boy is expected to appear in a Pontiac courtroom this afternoon in connection with the first shooting death of an Oak Park police officer in the line of duty in 35 years.
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After a traffic stop in Oak Park, Officer Mason Samborski, 28, of Howell died from a gunshot wound to his head during a struggle at an apartment complex about 12:30 a.m. Sunday, authorities said.

Samborski’s gun was not at the scene when other officers arrived, Taylor said. The department is not releasing whether the gun had been located as of this morning, he added.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...R84mgD95634HG0

NEW YORK (AP) — A man accused of shooting and killing a police officer during a Brooklyn traffic stop has been convicted of murder, attempted murder and criminal possession of a weapon.

Dexter Bostic faces life in prison without parole when he is sentenced Feb. 22.

Prosecutors said the three men acted as a team to shoot the officers in July 2007 because they were caught with a stolen SUV containing illegal weapons. They said Bostic shot and killed Officer Russel Timoshenko while Ellis simultaneously shot now-Detective Herman Yan. They said Woods was the driver.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Prosecutor--Metra-Officer-Killed-For-His-Gun.html

Metra Police officer Thomas Cook was killed for his gun, prosecutors alleged on Monday, two years after the 43-year-old father of two was shot in the head.
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Thomas Cook was shot, killed two years ago while on duty in Harvey.

"On that night, he was sitting in his uniform, in a marked vehicle, and he was executed by two individuals," Metra Police Chief James Sanford said.

http://odmp.org/officer/19429-troope...awn-blanton-jr.

Trooper David Blanton was shot and killed while making a traffic stop on I-40 near Canton, North Carolina. A struggle ensued during the stop and he was fatally shot.

The suspect took Trooper Blanton's service weapon and fled the scene. He was apprehended a short time later by deputies from the Haywood County Sheriff's Office and officers from the Canton Police Department. He was subsequently charged with capital murder.

http://odmp.org/officer/19424-deputy-sheriff-jose-antonio-(tony)-diaz

Deputy Tony Diaz was shot and killed while making a traffic stop near the intersection of County Road 6 and County Road 99W at 2130 hours. After a five-minute high speed pursuit, the suspect exited his vehicle and opened fire on Deputy Diaz, penetrating his vest, striking him in the shoulder.

Despite his wound, Deputy Diaz was able to call for assistance. He was transported to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries.

Statistics indicate that about six hundred criminals are killed each year by police officers in the United States. Some of these killings are in self-defense, some are accidental, and others are done to prevent harm to citizens. By comparison, about 135 officers are killed in the line of duty each year. When you consider their ratios in the general population, proportionately far more cops are killed by civilians each year than the other way around. In most cases, an officer’s taking a life occurs in the context of trying to save a life.

[Cebby]

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Something provoked that officer to draw his weapon. As far as shooting it, I don't know, but he obviously seen something that triggered him to draw down on the guy.

This is why I get tired of cops.

You claim that there are good and bad cops, but it doesn't appear that there are ever any bad cops.

A guy standing up, taking out a gun, and shooting a guy in the back seems a pretty clear case of "bad copism" to me. I don't think you'd give a guy who shot a cop in the back a chance.

If I was a "good cop", I'd want the "bad cops" dead or behind bars so they would stop ruining the reputations of "good cops" and didn't have the chance to increase resentment.

[jpup]

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c'mon guys, get this thread back off topic.

[SPTO]

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I made a couple blog entries just now. One on Tim Tebow and the other is the return of my "song of the week" feature.

[callmetaternuts]

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BTW when there are three girls interested how do you handle the situation.

One is further ahead in the "process" of dating and all that but the other two are cool as well. Do I give everyone a tryout and pick the best? First come first serve? Or do I just go with the hottest and blow the other two off?

Nothing wrong with giving them all a tryout, but it has to be a fair tryout, several events for each candidate, kind of a "eating disorder olympics to pick stewaat's lady friend" Some girls just dont show strong in the beginning, but come through in the end (thats what she said)

[callmetaternuts]

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Yeah so the flight is at 9 AM...which means my *** would have to be awake at 7 AM or even earlier. So no, not doing that.


I'm going over to her place tomorrow when she gets back around noonish. If this is anything like my past relationships, we'll be **** buddies for 6 months until she all of a sudden can't do it anymore because she's getting attached. At which point I will choose no sex+no relationship with her over sex+relationship because in 6 months my happy *** will have 1 more semester of college before moving off to somewhere other than Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, or Florida. Really I don't want to live in the Southeast to start off at all(yeah, yeah spare me the redneck in Cali or New York jokes lol).

Someone needs to quote this post in there sig or remember it. In about 4-6 months i have a feeling Husker is gonna come back with a whole new fit of anger and pain.

No offense man, but dont drag it on. Go over there, get you're break up sex, and then leave, or better yet, have her come over, do what you need to do, flip her some cab fare and tell her to get out.

[av7]

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2 weeks left of Winter break. I should get my books before the last minute

[callmetaternuts]

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I feel bad for Ohio State's senior class. They will be remembered as the group who couldnt win the big one. Not a legacy you want, when all in all, you won alot of games.