Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

The cop didnt know much of anything apparently.

but, unrelated to this incident, an ex-con is probably way more likely to resist, then, say, your local boy scout.

Hey of course I'm not going to argue with you on that one.

I think you should be focusing on other posters who want the officer hung, because I have made it clear that IMO he made a mistake.

I disagreed with you because IMO the video was very clear in what exactly happened. The victim was at most, squirming, and was an absolute non-threat to the officers. Was a tazer even necessary?

[Stumbleweed]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

That's where I sit. It probably was a mistake simply because a cop is not likely to shoot a defenseless guy in the back while standing near a crowd of people... especially since the people in the station were already booing the cops and yelling at them for arresting the guys in the first place. Wouldn't be a smart move, and unless he's just a psychopath or temporarily lost all self-control, he didn't do it on purpose.

That said, there was no legit reason for even a taser to be used in this situation, IMO. I'm not a cop, I don't train cops, but I would like to think that 3 of them can restrain a face-down unarmed man without having to use a taser or a gun. If they cannot, I don't think they have any business "protecting" us. If the guy was armed and in this situation being uncooperative or refusing to disarm, they might have justification... but he was already under control by THREE officers (the one who killed him apparently didn't feel it was necessary to help the other two guys hold him down), and tasering him at that point in the arrest would constitute police brutality in my mind. Inexcusable regardless.

The best part is that he will get off. I have no doubt in my mind that this "I thought it was my taser" thing will get him a minimal sentence, and he probably won't serve any of it. It's not right that people are threatening his family, and he's probably sick to his stomach thinking about what he did (assuming it was a mistake), but I would love to see some justice served here.

[stewaat]

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My bad, I missed this:

"First, an officer grabbed Oscar by the neck and pushed him against the wall," Pangelina said. "Oscar didn't fight him, but he didn't go down either. He was like, 'What did I do?' Then another officer came up with his Taser and held it right in his face. Oscar said, 'Please don't shoot me, please don't Taser me, I have a daughter,' over and over again, real fast, and he sat down."

Grant was the only man in a small group sitting against the wall who was not handcuffed, Burris said, so officers grabbed him away from the wall and pressed him belly-down onto the ground.

"One officer was kneeling over his neck and head, and another standing over him," Burris said. "He was not kicking, and one officer was pulling on his arm. The standing officer pulled out his weapon and, within moments, fired the gun into Mr. Grant's back."

Of that evidence, I stand by everything I've said up to this point.

This is not credible in my opinion. The guy was clearly struggling with the cops to a degree. I'm not defending anybody just stating that the man shot was not acting accordingly to what the video shows.

Lesson to all: If a cop comes to you just do what they say. If they illegally do something then after the fact you can file a complaint or take the necessary action.

[Stumbleweed]

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If they illegally do something then after the fact you can file a complaint or take the necessary action.

Yeah, let the police force handle itself by filing a complaint with a superior officer.....
...

That's worked out well in the past.

Unless you can file a complaint via an ATTORNEY or some kind of police watchdog organization, that complaint isn't going anywhere. Cops protect each other to an extent that few other professions do, and all those complaints would be handled internally.

The guy would get 2 weeks off with pay for shooting you, like most cops in these situations do while the "investigation" is happening... then it gets brushed under the rug, nobody gets fired, and you still have a bullet hole in your leg.

[yamabushi]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Hey of course I'm not going to argue with you on that one.

I think you should be focusing on other posters who want the officer hung, because I have made it clear that IMO he made a mistake.

I disagreed with you because IMO the video was very clear in what exactly happened. The victim was at most, squirming, and was an absolute non-threat to the officers. Was a tazer even necessary?

Heres a link to the video I watched before my 1st post: http://www.ktvu.com/video/18406962/index.html
again: shows nothing.
The other video shot from the train is pretty damning, but not definitive.

[Cebby]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

If they illegally do something then after the fact you can file a complaint or take the necessary action.

I have a feeling that this guy is going to have a tough time filing a complaint or taking the necessary action.

I mean, he's dead.

[BoomerSooner11]

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Damn ya'll..it's bad enough that this behavior with cops seems to be increasing..

[stewaat]

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I have a feeling that this guy is going to have a tough time filing a complaint or taking the necessary action.

I mean, he's dead.

Had he cooperated I'm sure the cop wouldn't have made the mistake of even going for the taser. That's my point.

I am in no way, shape or form saying I believe the killing was justified. It was terrible. However certain circumstances can be avoided with cooperation.

[yamabushi]

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Damn ya'll..it's bad enough that this behavior with cops seems to be increasing..

That statement might require some proof.

[Cebby]

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Had he cooperated I'm sure the cop wouldn't have made the mistake of even going for the taser. That's my point.

So you believe this murderer is stupid enough to confuse a gun for a taser, but not stupid enough to just shoot a man?

I mean, if you buy the taser story, the murderer in question could have been executing the man for saying "I'm sorry sir."

[BoomerSooner11]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

That statement might require some proof.

Im not saying that it is..but it sure seems like it, for example..I think it was in Philly, those kids suspected of killing that cop were stopped, and a what looked to be about 15 officers dragging them out of the car and kicking the **** out of them..

Now by the way...I agree with people when they say, "well maybe he should have cooperated"..I understand..plus Cops get scared and nervous too.. but that one officer seemed to have had the intention of shooting the man..thats what I have a problem with. I mean he didn't have the sidearm drawn..he took it out of the holster and aimed it at the man.

Im talking about this street justice..I understand when a friend of an officer gets shot and killed he wants revenge for that, but like what Cebby said, we don't live in Soviet Russia. Some of these depts need to be re evaulated and undergo a change in situations as this one.

[Mikocop]

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Hopefully everyone can remain cival. I don't see how the cop thought it was his taser. Just a bogus excuse if you ask me.

As a police officer, we are trained to keep our taser on the weak side of our belt. This allows an officer to have to reach to the other side to deploy the taser. It has happened before, although still a tragedy for all involved.

[aholbert32]

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That statement might require some proof.

So would yours about ex-cons being WAY more likely to resist arrest.

[yamabushi]

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So would yours about ex-cons being WAY more likely to resist arrest.

Seriously? your going to argue that crimnals are more cooperative when stopped by the police then law abiding citizens?
Why exactly?

[Pappy Knuckles]

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I can't stand cops. It'll be interesting to see how all of this plays out. I'm not buying the accident thing. However, if that's truly the case, anybody who doesn't have enough sense to differentiate between his gun and his taser doesn't need to be protecting and serving anyone. I don't care how similar they look or feel, you should know what you're doing when you possess any kind of firearm. When you're standing over someone's back with two other officers next to you, why do you need to shoot? I didn't see resistance that would require that action. The cop better receive some sort of punishment, but I'm not confident if that will happen.