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  • GSW
    Simnation
    • Feb 2003
    • 8041

    #46
    Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

    Originally posted by stewaat
    Had he cooperated I'm sure the cop wouldn't have made the mistake of even going for the taser. That's my point.

    I am in no way, shape or form saying I believe the killing was justified. It was terrible. However certain circumstances can be avoided with cooperation.
    how are you not cooperating face down on the ground with your hands behind your back and a knee on your neck... if i was face down with a knee on my neck and my hands behind my back the last thing i expect to get is tazed or shot.

    you sound stupid dawg.

    mistake , accident or not that policeman shouldnt have pulled out a tazer, a gun, a kendo stick, a baton, or any other weapon... what is a skinny 22 year old being pinned down doing to threaten that officers life?

    not a got damn thing except being a minorty.

    im in the bay, i travel that same train line every day.

    that was some bull****... to put it lightly.

    repercussions will be severe on this one.
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    • aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33106

      #47
      Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

      Originally posted by yamabushi
      Seriously? your going to argue that crimnals are more cooperative when stopped by the police then law abiding citizens?
      Why exactly?
      You are assuming alot of things here. The article says nothing about his crimes other than he has a prison record. Paris Hilton has a prison record too and I dont think she's more likely to resist than the average citizen.

      Two, I never said that criminals are more cooperative than law abiding citizens. I said that you have no proof that they are "WAY" more likely to resist than citizens.

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      • ChubbyBanana
        Don't Trust Influencers
        • Oct 2003
        • 7071

        #48
        Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

        I loved this when It was in Off-Topic. Now I get to read about it again?

        Awesome!

        If anyone needs any background go back a couple pages and read some of the post in off-topic, might give you a different view of the situation. At the very least will give you what some members think about the story.
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        • aholbert32
          (aka Alberto)
          • Jul 2002
          • 33106

          #49
          Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

          Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
          You can't be serious.
          Sarcasm my friend.

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          • Pappy Knuckles
            LORDTHUNDERBIRD
            • Sep 2004
            • 15966

            #50
            Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

            Originally posted by aholbert32
            Sarcasm my friend.
            Yeah, I read it too quickly. I realized it after I posted.

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            • PVarck31
              Moderator
              • Jan 2003
              • 16869

              #51
              Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

              Originally posted by GSW
              how are you not cooperating face down on the ground with your hands behind your back and a knee on your neck... if i was face down with a knee on my neck and my hands behind my back the last thing i expect to get is tazed or shot.

              you sound stupid dawg.

              mistake , accident or not that policeman shouldnt have pulled out a tazer, a gun, a kendo stick, a baton, or any other weapon... what is a skinny 22 year old being pinned down doing to threaten that officers life?

              not a got damn thing except being a minorty.

              im in the bay, i travel that same train line every day.

              that was some bull****... to put it lightly.

              repercussions will be severe on this one.
              Wow! I have to say that I am surprised that it took almost 5 pages for this to be made into a racial thing.

              That being said, another word about race in this discussion and this thread will be closed.

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              • Brandon13
                All Star
                • Oct 2005
                • 8915

                #52
                Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                I have to believe he pulled out the wrong weapon, but what a horrible **** up.

                Charge him with manslaughter if that's actually what happened.

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                • ChubbyBanana
                  Don't Trust Influencers
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 7071

                  #53
                  Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                  Originally posted by aholbert32
                  You are assuming alot of things here. The article says nothing about his crimes other than he has a prison record. Paris Hilton has a prison record too and I dont think she's more likely to resist than the average citizen.

                  Two, I never said that criminals are more cooperative than law abiding citizens. I said that you have no proof that they are "WAY" more likely to resist than citizens.
                  Even though Paris Hilton has a Criminal Record, most people have a good idea how she would react to different situations from her publicity.

                  A Convicted felon who is being questioned in a pubic place surrounded by people may act differently. He could be rather calm, peaceful, or he could be resisting or angry. It's obvious in the video he's not calm.

                  I'm guessing this particular officer hadn't dealt with the individual before, so he had to be cautious and assume nothing.

                  Does that mean he has the right to shoot an unarmed man? No.

                  But if the man was resisting, or cause any sort of threats towards the officer or fellow officers safety, then yes.

                  Just my two cents.
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                  • GSW
                    Simnation
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 8041

                    #54
                    Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                    Originally posted by pjv31
                    Wow! I have to say that I am surprised that it took almost 5 pages for this to be made into a racial thing.

                    That being said, another word about race in this discussion and this thread will be closed.
                    try watching the local news here.
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                    • MassNole
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 18848

                      #55
                      Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                      OT AH, but I'd actually think some rich primadonna like Paris Hilton would be more likely to resist arrest than Joe Sixpack.

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                      • GSW
                        Simnation
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 8041

                        #56
                        Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                        Originally posted by ChubbyBanana
                        Even though Paris Hilton has a Criminal Record, most people have a good idea how she would react to different situations from her publicity.

                        A Convicted felon who is being questioned in a pubic place surrounded by people may act differently. He could be rather calm, peaceful, or he could be resisting or angry. It's obvious in the video he's not calm.

                        I'm guessing this particular officer hadn't dealt with the individual before, so he had to be cautious and assume nothing.

                        Does that mean he has the right to shoot an unarmed man? No.

                        But if the man was resisting, or cause any sort of threats towards the officer or fellow officers safety, then yes.

                        Just my two cents.
                        how is a man face down with a knee on hsi neck and arms behind his back threating anyone?

                        especially after saying please dont taze me and willingly being brought down.

                        all these excuses are mind blowing.

                        am i saying the cop shot him on purpose?.. NO..

                        all im saying is a weapon didnt need to be drawn in the first place...

                        BART cops think they are tough ****, (TRUST ME), ive never personally met THAT guy but ive seen him around, I'm not saying hes a bigot or anything like that, all im saying is certain people get nervous/scared when surrounded by certain groups of people...

                        with that being said there were no threats to his life from the kid on the ground, and he didnt even point the gun at the people who were REALLY being threating, the guys on the train, they were yelling all sorts of stuff, and throwing stuff at the cops and getting int heir faces.

                        You can not justify a weapon being drawn in that situation... sorry you jsut can't
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                        • Pappy Knuckles
                          LORDTHUNDERBIRD
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 15966

                          #57
                          Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                          Originally posted by GSW
                          how is a man face down with a knee on hsi neck and arms behind his back threating anyone?

                          especially after saying please dont taze me and willingly being brought down.

                          all these excuses are mind blowing.

                          am i saying the cop shot him on purpose?.. NO..

                          all im saying is a weapon didnt need to be drawn in the first place...

                          BART cops think they are tough ****, (TRUST ME), ive never personally met THAT guy but ive seen him around, I'm not saying hes a bigot or anything like that, all im saying is certain people get nervous/scared when surrounded by certain groups of people...

                          with that being said there were no threats to his life from the kid on the ground, and he didnt even point the gun at the people who were REALLY being threating, the guys on the train, they were yelling all sorts of stuff, and throwing stuff at the cops and getting int heir faces.

                          You can not justify a weapon being drawn in that situation... sorry you jsut can't
                          Agreed.

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                          • aholbert32
                            (aka Alberto)
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 33106

                            #58
                            Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                            Originally posted by ChubbyBanana
                            Even though Paris Hilton has a Criminal Record, most people have a good idea how she would react to different situations from her publicity.

                            A Convicted felon who is being questioned in a pubic place surrounded by people may act differently. He could be rather calm, peaceful, or he could be resisting or angry. It's obvious in the video he's not calm.

                            I'm guessing this particular officer hadn't dealt with the individual before, so he had to be cautious and assume nothing.

                            Does that mean he has the right to shoot an unarmed man? No.

                            But if the man was resisting, or cause any sort of threats towards the officer or fellow officers safety, then yes.

                            Just my two cents.

                            You are missing the point. I was responding to his point that people with prison records are WAY more likely to resist than a citizen with no record. He has nothing to base his statement on other than he has a prison record. My response is Paris Hilton (and many others) have prison records and are no more likely to resist than someone without one. We have no idea what he was in prison for. It could be murder. It could be a DUI. It could be selling weed. It could be for public indecency. Who knows? What I do know is it isnt enough to say prison record = resist arrest.

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                            • Cebby
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 22327

                              #59
                              Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                              Originally posted by GSW
                              how is a man face down with a knee on hsi neck and arms behind his back threating anyone?
                              That's what I was going to say.

                              If a man on the ground with his hands behind his back is threatening enough to be shot, Oakland needs to fire every police they have.

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                              • Skerik
                                Living in this tube
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 5215

                                #60
                                Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

                                I love this new focus on the police and law enforcement here at OS. I can't wait to read all the sure-to-be-appearing threads like, "Police rescue abducted child from sexual predator" and "Police thwart burglary attempt," or "Police honor officer killed in line of duty."
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