Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

[GSW]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

That's what I was going to say.

If a man on the ground with his hands behind his back is threatening enough to be shot, Oakland needs to fire every police they have.

that guy wasnt even the "real" police... he was a BART Police...

They shouldnt even give those dudes guns.

[aholbert32]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

I love this new focus on the police and law enforcement here at OS. I can't wait to read all the sure-to-be-appearing threads like, "Police rescue abducted child from sexual predator" and "Police thwart burglary attempt," or "Police honor officer killed in line of duty."

Here comes sarcastic Skerik. The reason this is noteworthy is because it doesnt happen everyday. The things you listed happen regularly. Its the same reason you dont see "Police officer shoots criminal". In my years visiting this site, I've seen more pro police posts and threads than not.

I dont even know why I'm responding though. That comment was just an attempt to through more gas on the fire.

[Cebby]

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"Police honor officer killed in line of duty."

We've actually had 2 or 3 of those.

It is kind of a big story when a person that you are supposed to trust and has a disproportionate amount of power murders a man he's supposed to be protecting. It's like a father who rapes his child, only someone dies and nobody generally gets in trouble.

[Bornindamecca]

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That's what I was going to say.

If a man on the ground with his hands behind his back is threatening enough to be shot, Oakland needs to fire every police they have.

It was also incompetence to go taser THEN cuffs. Whether it was a mistake or not, sometimes incompetence/negligence is just as bad as intent, and should be treated as such. This is tragic overall. There is a lot of it going around, too. The young man shot on his own lawn, the tasing of that actor....Lot of race issue police incidents lately, and it's probably going to get worse.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I love this new focus on the police and law enforcement here at OS. I can't wait to read all the sure-to-be-appearing threads like, "Police rescue abducted child from sexual predator" and "Police thwart burglary attempt," or "Police honor officer killed in line of duty."

I'd actually be interested to hear your take on this.

[yamabushi]

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You are assuming alot of things here. The article says nothing about his crimes other than he has a prison record. Paris Hilton has a prison record too and I dont think she's more likely to resist than the average citizen.

Two, I never said that criminals are more cooperative than law abiding citizens. I said that you have no proof that they are "WAY" more likely to resist than citizens.

Technically, resisting arrest is a crime so anyone resisting is a criminal.

I dont have stats but I doubt theres many people being charged with nothing but resisting arrest when theyre taken 'back to the station'.

[Skerik]

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Here comes sarcastic Skerik. The reason this is noteworthy is because it doesnt happen everyday. The things you listed happen regularly. Its the same reason you dont see "Police officer shoots criminal". In my years visiting this site, I've seen more pro police posts and threads than not.

I dont even know why I'm responding though. That comment was just an attempt to through more gas on the fire.

So have I, "in my years visiting the site." But we both know this isn't the same place anymore. I know my sarcasm really annoys the hell out of you for some reason, but I think you'll find a lot of truth in those words if you can peel away the sarcastic outer layer. But just in case you're blinded by the sarcasm, I'll spell it out for you by saying that I was making a point that cops do far more good than evil in this world and the good they do goes largely unnoticed while the bad gets a spotlight cast on it like we've seen in this thread. But I'm sick and tired of all the "I hate cops" sentiment I've seen on these boards lately (voiced largely by drug users and conspiracy theorists, imagine that) and I'm putting my foot down on it.

I hope the next time one of you needs a cop, there are none around because they're all out protecting people who give a **** about them and don't compare their actions to those seen in "Soviet Russia." The current Russia is pretty damn close to the Soviet one, so feel free to move there if you don't like American police. Otherwise, let's put this unfortunate incident in a little bit of perspective.

[Brandwin]

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I agree, the people who bash cops and think they are all horrible and just crazy, but there is nothing wrong with something tragic like this happens to not have a discussion about it.

[PVarck31]

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So have I, "in my years visiting the site." But we both know this isn't the same place anymore. I know my sarcasm really annoys the hell out of you for some reason, but I think you'll find a lot of truth in those words if you can peel away the sarcastic outer layer. But just in case you're blinded by the sarcasm, I'll spell it out for you by saying that I was making a point that cops do far more good than evil in this world and the good they do goes largely unnoticed while the bad gets a spotlight cast on it like we've seen in this thread. But I'm sick and tired of all the "I hate cops" sentiment I've seen on these boards lately (voiced largely by drug users and conspiracy theorists, imagine that) and I'm putting my foot down on it.

I hope the next time one of you needs a cop, there are none around because they're all out protecting people who give a **** about them and don't compare their actions to those seen in "Soviet Russia." The current Russia is pretty damn close to the Soviet one, so feel free to move there if you don't like American police. Otherwise, let's put this unfortunate incident in a little bit of perspective.

Exactly how I feel as well.

[ChubbyBanana]

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how is a man face down with a knee on hsi neck and arms behind his back threating anyone?
You can not justify a weapon being drawn in that situation... sorry you jsut can't

I'm sorry. I don't believe I said he was threatening anyone. The only thing I did say was that he didn't appear to be calm in the video, which is my accessment from watching it.

I don't think you or anyone here can say there was no reason for a weapon to be drawn. You weren't there. You weren't in the cops position. Neither was I. I don't believe I can say it was necessary or not.

Video Tape doesn't show/record everything.

[yamabushi]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

So have I, "in my years visiting the site." But we both know this isn't the same place anymore. I know my sarcasm really annoys the hell out of you for some reason, but I think you'll find a lot of truth in those words if you can peel away the sarcastic outer layer. But just in case you're blinded by the sarcasm, I'll spell it out for you by saying that I was making a point that cops do far more good than evil in this world and the good they do goes largely unnoticed while the bad gets a spotlight cast on it like we've seen in this thread. But I'm sick and tired of all the "I hate cops" sentiment I've seen on these boards lately (voiced largely by drug users and conspiracy theorists, imagine that) and I'm putting my foot down on it.

I hope the next time one of you needs a cop, there are none around because they're all out protecting people who give a **** about them and don't compare their actions to those seen in "Soviet Russia." The current Russia is pretty damn close to the Soviet one, so feel free to move there if you don't like American police. Otherwise, let's put this unfortunate incident in a little bit of perspective.

I was about to post something along the same lines but with a lot less tact.
Thank you sir.

If I may quote the great Chuck D from Public Enemy:

Fight the power comes
great responsiblity
F <NOBR>the police</NOBR> but whos stoppin
you from killin me?

[Cebby]

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But I'm sick and tired of all the "I hate cops" sentiment I've seen on these boards lately (voiced largely by drug users and conspiracy theorists, imagine that) and I'm putting my foot down on it.

To be fair, he's the same person.

I hope the next time one of you needs a cop, there are none around because they're all out protecting people who give a **** about them and don't compare their actions to those seen in "Soviet Russia."

Executing a prisoner without a trial is very Soviet Russia-like.

Otherwise, let's put this unfortunate incident in a little bit of perspective.

A thug gunned down an unarmed man in the back. There's no more perspective needed.

People always say that there are good cops and bad cops. In this case, you have a bad cop who should be dealt with accordingly. It doesn't mean that a person hates all cops (except for a certain individual who isn't posting), it means that a cop committed murder and should be held accountable. I don't hate politicians, but I think that Blag-whatever and Stephens should be in prison. Same case, except this guy shot a man in the back.

[Bornindamecca]

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But I'm sick and tired of all the "I hate cops" sentiment I've seen on these boards lately (voiced largely by drug users and conspiracy theorists, imagine that) and I'm putting my foot down on it.

I hope the next time one of you needs a cop, there are none around because they're all out protecting people who give a **** about them and don't compare their actions to those seen in "Soviet Russia." The current Russia is pretty damn close to the Soviet one, so feel free to move there if you don't like American police. Otherwise, let's put this unfortunate incident in a little bit of perspective.

That's the problem with sarcasm. It introduces hyperbole, throws moderation and reason out of the window and pushes a discussion into an ideological war of unrelated polemics.

We are facing tough economic times, and your sensitivities(and consequent hopes for failed police assistance) miss the point. During these challenging times where crime is sure to rise in places, we have to make sure we have a police force best prepared to moderate petty crime without turning incidents like these into social bonfires. At the end of the day, that's worse for police, and innocent victims of crime.

[GSW]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

I'm sorry. I don't believe I said he was threatening anyone. The only thing I did say was that he didn't appear to be calm in the video, which is my accessment from watching it.

I don't think you or anyone here can say there was no reason for a weapon to be drawn. You weren't there. You weren't in the cops position. Neither was I. I don't believe I can say it was necessary or not.

Video Tape doesn't show/record everything.

you sir are full of ess.

look at the situation, both angles one of them has audio.

two cops holding a young kid down and a knee on his neck does not = let me draw my deadly weapon and point it at this guy, i feel my life is in danger from him.

i dont care if he was screaming profanitys, when you have a guy subduded, and not over agressivly fighting the cops, you have no need to pulla deadly fire arm out... you usually pull a weapon out to SUBDUE the criminal, even a tazer... SO HOW DO YOU SUBDUE SOMEONE WHO IS ALREADY SUBDUED.

give me a break man, you are better then that.

[aholbert32]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

So have I, "in my years visiting the site." But we both know this isn't the same place anymore. I know my sarcasm really annoys the hell out of you for some reason, but I think you'll find a lot of truth in those words if you can peel away the sarcastic outer layer. But just in case you're blinded by the sarcasm, I'll spell it out for you by saying that I was making a point that cops do far more good than evil in this world and the good they do goes largely unnoticed while the bad gets a spotlight cast on it like we've seen in this thread. But I'm sick and tired of all the "I hate cops" sentiment I've seen on these boards lately (voiced largely by drug users and conspiracy theorists, imagine that) and I'm putting my foot down on it.

I hope the next time one of you needs a cop, there are none around because they're all out protecting people who give a **** about them and don't compare their actions to those seen in "Soviet Russia." The current Russia is pretty damn close to the Soviet one, so feel free to move there if you don't like American police. Otherwise, let's put this unfortunate incident in a little bit of perspective.

I dont think its much different here when it comes to cops or the military. We always had people who bashed cops and always had people who went over the top with their support of cops. We've seen both sides in this thread. No one was debating that cops do more good than bad so thats besides the point. The majority of people in this thread bashed that particular cop....not the entire profession. I wasnt confused by your sarcasm...I just didnt think it spoke to the point the majority of people in this thread were making.