Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

[ChubbyBanana]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Tell that to Oscar Grant.

I knew you were going to post this after that post....

Kind of cliche.

I'm not saying it's not terrible, but it's obvious we can't tell Oscar Grant that, because he's dead.

So I agree with the original post, that we and his family should, no matter how hard, carry on with our lives.

Looting and Rioting isn't going to bring Oscar back.

[The Chef]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

1. Even if you just include alcohol and caffeine, you've probably got 95% of American adults. Both of these are habit forming mind altering substances. Again, find me ten people on this board who are 20+ and have not consumed any alcohol or caffeinated beverages (say, anything stronger than tea), and I will rescind my comment.

2. People survived tens of thousands of years (and continue to do so) without prescription medication. ADD, anti-anxiety, and pain pills work by getting you incredibly high. Given that nobody needs to take this medication, differentiating between prescribed and unprescribed is semantical.

Aside from legality, there's no argument why someone who is too weak to cope with her life so they take xanax is any different between someone who is too weak to cope with his life and has to take cocaine. Women don't need to be pumped with synthetic heroin to have a child, yet we do that for them anyway.

It's almost kind of sad in a way. Prescription drug users have been deemed so deranged and incompetent that they've been granted permission by the government to use serious narcotics.

I drink caffeine but I really doubt that its mind altering as you apparently think it is. This is such a pointless debate because anyone who "uses" always takes this stance and stands by it no matter what. The things you mention are for pain, not to get high. The woman taking pain meds while giving birth isnt doing it to get high, the person smoking weed or doing other drugs isnt doing that for pain normally, they are doing it to get high, how are those the same things?

[Double Eights]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

I drink caffeine but I really doubt that its mind altering as you apparently think it is. This is such a pointless debate because anyone who "uses" always takes this stance and stands by it no matter what. The things you mention are for pain, not to get high. The woman taking pain meds while giving birth isnt doing it to get high, the person smoking weed or doing other drugs isnt doing that for pain normally, they are doing it to get high, how are those the same things?

Why do you drink caffeine? Why do I smoke?

I am willing to bet they are one in the same. Yet, my personal preferences can get me thrown in jail, even when neither of us is a threat to society.

[The Chef]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Why do you drink caffeine? Why do I smoke?

I am willing to bet they are one in the same. Yet, my personal preferences can get me thrown in jail, even when neither of us is a threat to society.

I highly doubt it, I smoked and quit cold turkey and the only addiction I found that was tough to kick was the "habit" of smoking and not the nicotine itself. I drink soda because I hate water and cant drink milk all day so this is what I drink, again, I quit cold turkey on that when I was dieting previously with no problems. Im not addicted to either and neither one is a "mind altering" substance like cebby wants everyone to believe. I bet you I can quit drinking soda with far less problems then some guy quitting his drug addiction and thats not even up for debate.

[Double Eights]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

So I agree with the original post, that we and his family should, no matter how hard, carry on with our lives.

I don't necessarily agree with the rioting, but I don't think the people should just sit on their hands and move on with their lives. One of their own was murdered by a police officer. The people should be at the police station, demanding to know how one of their officers is capable of such a thing.

They should be furious that this type of action has taken place, and they should demand to know how and why this man was allowed to be a police officer if he didn't have the proper training.

They should be furious that the officer wasn't handcuffed the minute after he pulled the trigger. The video shows it all, whether or not he did it on purpose, he killed a man without warrant. That is a felony, regardless of what you want to call it (murder II or vol. manslaughter). The people should be asking the police why that officer wasn't placed under arrest.

I'm not saying they should be burning the city down, but there are questions that need answers.

I highly doubt it, I smoked and quit cold turkey and the only addiction I found that was tough to kick was the "habit" of smoking and not the nicotine itself. I drink soda because I hate water and cant drink milk all day so this is what I drink, again, I quit cold turkey on that when I was dieting previously with no problems. Im not addicted to either and neither one is a "mind altering" substance like cebby wants everyone to believe. I bet you I can quit drinking soda with far less problems then some guy quitting his drug addiction and thats not even up for debate.

I'm not addicted to smoking, as I'm not smoking cigarettes. While I have no problem with people who smoke cigarettes, it's not my thing.

I can, and have quit smoking cannabis with zero problems, as it's not an addicting substance. I haven't smoked in nearly a month, and I have no inclination to do so. I'll probably smoke when I get back to school, as it's a fun thing to do with my friends back there, but while I'm home, my home friends and I don't smoke.

Also, what I was referring to was that we both do what we do because we like it. You drink soda because you like soda (if you didn't you wouldn't be doing it), and I smoke cannabis because I like doing it. I like relaxing after a long day, and watching a movie or listening to some music. While I don't know you, nor would I presume to know your habits, but I could see you sitting down after a long day and drinking a soda and eating some chips while watching a movie. Explain to me how either of these two things (smoking and watching a movie or drinking a soda and eating chips while watching a movie) is worthy of being considered a crime, or worthy of the individual partaking in the activity facing any sort of punishment. Explain to me why people who smoke and watch a movie should be looked down upon by those who drink sodas, eat chips, and watch movies? (note: I'm not necessarily talking about you, I'm speaking in general)

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Why do you drink caffeine? Why do I smoke?

I am willing to bet they are one in the same. Yet, my personal preferences can get me thrown in jail, even when neither of us is a threat to society.

Well then you'd lose that bet. I drink sodas because I like carbonation and I like colas. The "mind altering effects" of caffeine have nothing to do with it.

[The Chef]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Also, what I was referring to was that we both do what we do because we like it. You drink soda because you like soda (if you didn't you wouldn't be doing it), and I smoke cannabis because I like doing it. I like relaxing after a long day, and watching a movie or listening to some music. While I don't know you, nor would I presume to know your habits, but I could see you sitting down after a long day and drinking a soda and eating some chips while watching a movie. Explain to me how either of these two things (smoking and watching a movie or drinking a soda and eating chips while watching a movie) is worthy of being considered a crime, or worthy of the individual partaking in the activity facing any sort of punishment.

Well for starters, smoking pot is against the law and drinking soda isnt. Secondly, smoking pot can alter ones ability to operate things like a car while drinking a soda doesnt. It amazes me the extent "smokers" will go to try and defend and or rationalize what they want to do in their free time. I dont give a **** if you smoke up all day, every day but trying to compare drinking a soda and eating chips to getting blazed and watching a movie is so ****ing ridiculous I dont think we have much else to talk about anymore.

[Double Eights]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Well then you'd lose that bet. I drink sodas because I like carbonation and I like colas. The "mind altering effects" of caffeine have nothing to do with it.

And I smoke because I like being high, and I like the smell.

You drinking cola, and me smoking cannabis effect no one but ourselves. Yet, you can drink your cola in peace, while I am threatened with brute force if I am anywhere near cannabis.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Whatever.

This thread needs to go back on topic.

[Double Eights]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Well for starters, smoking pot is against the law and drinking soda isnt. Secondly, smoking pot can alter ones ability to operate things like a car while drinking a soda doesnt. It amazes me the extent "smokers" will go to try and defend and or retionalize what they want to do in their free time. I dont give a **** if you smoke up all day, every day but trying to compare drinking a soda and eating chips to getting blazed and watching a movie is so ****ing ridiculous I dont think we have much else to talk about anymore.

If I went to Congress and convinced them that women, once they reach the age or thirty-five, have a chemical released into their brain that causes them to lose all self-control leading them to brutally kill children, and then Congress passed a law stating all women, once they reach the age of thirty-five, shall be put in prison for the general welfare of our civilization....would you, or would you not disobey that law? Would you allow the government to come and take your wife away, because it's believed she is going to go insane and start killing children? What if you knew what I told Congress was false?

Well guess what, that is exactly what happened with cannabis. Individuals with media influence, and influence within the government convinced our legislators and the people that those who smoke cannabis will turn into vicious psychopaths who murder innocent people in cold blood. That is absolutely and unequivocally false.

Are you saying you'd be willing to throw your wife in prison, even if you knew the facts used to make the law were patently false? If you're not willing to do so, how in the hell are you willing to do it to the millions of cannabis users in this country?

Edit: Sorry, Matrix, didn't see your post. This will be my last one that isn't on-topic.

[Cebby]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

The woman taking pain meds while giving birth isnt doing it to get high

Getting high is what stops the pain. They're getting high to stop physical pain, drug users are doing it to stop emotional pain.

Im not addicted to either and neither one is a "mind altering" substance like cebby wants everyone to believe

YOU ARE WRONG

"Caffeine is the world's most widely consumed psychoactive substance, but unlike many others, it is legal and unregulated in nearly all jurisdictions. In North America, 90% of adults consume caffeine daily"-Wikipedia

Both alcohol and caffeine are habit forming mind altering substances. This is a fact. Debating this is debating science.

I bet you I can quit drinking soda with far less problems then some guy quitting his drug addiction

And I bet I can count to 10 and you would be unable to compose an essay on nuclear physics.

Your soda drinking or lack thereof has no relevance on the vast majority of Americans using mind altering substances.

I'm saying 1+1=2 and some of you are claiming that the square root of 2 is not 1. Saying soda is less addictive than "drugs" has no relevance to caffeine or alcohol being mind altering, habit forming drugs.

*posted a minute after Matrix, but I obviously began composition before*

[The Chef]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

If I went to Congress and convinced them that women, once they reach the age or thirty-five, have a chemical released into their brain that causes them to lose all self-control leading them to brutally kill children, and then Congress passed a law stating all women, once they reach the age of thirty-five, shall be put in prison for the general welfare of our civilization....would you, or would you not disobey that law? Would you allow the government to come and take your wife away, because it's believed she is going to go insane and start killing children? What if you knew what I told Congress was false?

Well guess what, that is exactly what happened with cannabis. Individuals with media influence, and influence within the government convinced our legislators and the people that those who smoke cannabis will turn into vicious psychopaths who murder innocent people in cold blood. That is absolutely and unequivocally false.

Are you saying you'd be willing to throw your wife in prison, even if you knew the facts used to make the law were patently false? If you're not willing to do so, how in the hell are you willing to do it to the millions of cannabis users in this country?

Edit: Sorry, Matrix, didn't see your post. This will be my last one that isn't on-topic.

You need help, your running in circles and doing whatever you can to attempt to justify what you do in your spare time. Smoke your weed, it doesnt matter to me, but dont sit here and try and justify it by comparing my eating chips and drinking soda to you smoking pot. Furthermore, this most recent example is so idiotic I dont understand how you didnt bust up laughing while you were typing it, I mean its literally some of the most ridiculous garbage Ive ever read on this forum and thats saying something.

[JohnnytheSkin]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

I'm saying 1+1=2 and some of you are claiming that the square root of 2 is not 1.

It isn't "1". Have you attended math class? Just because two numbers add to a specific sum does not make them the square root of said sum.

[Cebby]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

It isn't "1".

I'm very well aware of that.

They were two different math equations, and just because the second one is correct, the first one is not wrong. The Chef created a strawman out of my argument. Just because I say that alcohol and caffeine are mind altering substances does not mean that I am equating soda use with "hard" drugs.

Have you attended math class?

On multiple occasions.

Just because two numbers add to a specific sum does not make them the square root of said sum

Actually, aside from 4, no number's square root can be added to itself to form the original number (as far as I know, square roots only exist for numbers greater than 0, so 0 would not count).

*edit* Real square roots

[Heelfan71]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

And I smoke because I like being high, and I like the smell.

You drinking cola, and me smoking cannabis effect no one but ourselves. Yet, you can drink your cola in peace, while I am threatened with brute force if I am anywhere near cannabis.

comparing pot to caffiene ? Yikes. Looks like it's already killed a few brain cells in you.