Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

[Jackdog]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

It shows one man shooting an unarmed man in the back.

It shows murder. If you want to shoot suspected prisoners, you should go to the Sudan, Nazi Germany, or Soviet Russia. In America, that behavior is unacceptable.

Really? Have you checked the murder rate in every major American city? This kind of bull$hit happens everyday. Not by our police officers but by ignorant criminals. My brother was killed at 14 on our front porch by a stray bullet from an ignorant gang banger.That kind of behavior is unacceptable.

It's just sad our community doesn't get as emotional about it. I would like to see the community act with the same emotion minus the rioting and destruction when it comes to senseless gang violence in our neighborhoods or innocent people getting killed in home invasions and robberies. Instead we see what's going on in Oakland now and it's a disgrace.

The officer made a clear mistake and should pay for it. I feel bad for him. I also feel bad for the man that was shot. It is what it is.

[Jackdog]

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The more I think about it, and by the responses I've seen on other forums.. I am in the boat that he made a stupid mistake.

You can see it in his initial reaction after firing. He looks shocked.

I just think it had to be a mistake. Why would he have any reason to murder a dude with hundreds of witnesses, and the victim was already subdued.

The BART officer was still an idiot though, he didn't even need to use a tazer.

Senseless, but things like this happen in life. While most of us will be getting drunk and generally having fun on New Year's, this family will remember this incident. SMH.

Young people being dumb and stirring up trouble in public places.. I know murder doesn't justify, but some people just put themselves in bad situations.

I honestly don't know what sort of punishment I want for the officer.

I agree. The officer panicked and made a huge mistake. I also think that men with children shouldn't be out fighting in a BART Station. The father that was shot put himself in a bad situation and it cost him his life.

[Cebby]

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Really? Have you checked the murder rate in every major American city? This kind of bull$hit happens everyday. Not by our police officers but by ignorant criminals. My brother was killed at 14 on our front porch by a stray bullet from an ignorant gang banger.That kind of behavior is unacceptable.

Did I ever say otherwise? I think anyone who kills another person (except in self defense) should be tried, convicted, and executed. I don't think these type of events are committed by police everyday and understand that the weight is far, far in the direction of non-police criminals.

This case happens to be a police officer though, and I think crimes that are committed by (and to) police should carry extra weight.

I would like to see the community act with the same emotion minus the rioting and destruction when it comes to senseless gang violence in our neighborhoods or innocent people getting killed in home invasions and robberies. Instead we see what's going on in Oakland now and it's a disgrace.

The rioting is a disgrace. Rioters should be fenced in and processed one by one.

However, I think a major difference between this and other killings is that it has been 11 days since the shooting, and the state has yet to even charge the man. It's not like there's any question of who killed whom.

Aside from feeling sorry for the triggerman, I don't remotely disagree with anything you said. I think there needs to be more responsibility shown by both sides. Police need to be far more upfront when these events occur, and the general public needs to stop acting a fool everytime something happens.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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This is almost like what we had happen out here last summer in MD. And it STILL hasn't been solved.

[Cebby]

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This is almost like what we had happen out here last summer in MD. And it STILL hasn't been solved.

I'm pretty sure it's officially been put out that he beat and strangled himself.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1208/577312.html

[The 24th Letter]

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Here's a pretty clear video:

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Wow.

People need "more story"?

[bigeastbumrush]

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Nuff said...

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[Jackdog]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Did I ever say otherwise? I think anyone who kills another person (except in self defense) should be tried, convicted, and executed. I don't think these type of events are committed by police everyday and understand that the weight is far, far in the direction of non-police criminals.

This case happens to be a police officer though, and I think crimes that are committed by (and to) police should carry extra weight.



The rioting is a disgrace. Rioters should be fenced in and processed one by one.

However, I think a major difference between this and other killings is that it has been 11 days since the shooting, and the state has yet to even charge the man. It's not like there's any question of who killed whom.

Aside from feeling sorry for the triggerman, I don't remotely disagree with anything you said. I think there needs to be more responsibility shown by both sides. Police need to be far more upfront when these events occur, and the general public needs to stop acting a fool everytime something happens.

Agreed. Sorry I took your other post out of context.

[Scottdau]

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The Thugs and gang bangers are the ones causing the riots. The man was a Hayward man. I understand why they are mad, but do you really need to make a scene like that.

[Double Eights]

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We are closing in on two weeks, and still no charges.

There is no excuse for that. The video does not lie.

[RedheadKingpin]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

We are closing in on two weeks, and still no charges.

There is no excuse for that. The video does not lie.

What difference does it make? Even if he is charged,you know he's gonna beat the rap.

[ChubbyBanana]

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We are closing in on two weeks, and still no charges.

There is no excuse for that. The video does not lie.

I don't know how they do things in California, but here in Ohio usually the Police Department/Agency does a review, and a state or federal agency does and outside, non-internal investigation. Then from those findings the investigation goes to a seperate panel, which decided whether or not there was any criminal negligence in the actions. That panel also decides if any criminal charges should be filed.

Even with that sketchy video, it's still not clear exactly what happened.

Besides the obvious that a police officer shot a guy, that's all that is known.

I'm sure once the investigation is completed and ALL the facts are revealed that the appropriate course of action will be taken.

The case is very high-profile right now. I don't think you have to worry about a lack of action.

I know this post is going to be taken incorrectly, but I also know what I'm trying to say.

[Keirik]

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i love the "the video does not lie" nonsense. You can barely see anything except a blocked view and a shot. Who knows what was said, furtive movements, something in his hand, something looked like it was in his hand, etc etc...


maybe some people really should understand how hard of a job police officers have first before rushing to judgement. There's a reason why thousands of officers die in the line of duty every year.

here, this is exactly why you never trust a video. Take a look at these two. Same scene, two different angles. (sorry, i dont know how to embed the vids, if someone wants to, thanks)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7At5RyV_yo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPEiRQoALcs

[Double Eights]

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i love the "the video does not lie" nonsense. You can barely see anything except a blocked view and a shot. Who knows what was said, furtive movements, something in his hand, something looked like it was in his hand, etc etc...

Just look at the video at the top of this page.

What I see is pretty clear. Two officers (including gunman) are subduing Oscar, with the big guy having his knee on Oscar's head. He wasn't going anywhere. The second officer (gunman) then proceeds to grab his sidearm, stand up, point and aim, and then he fires.

That is murder.

maybe some people really should understand how hard of a job police officers have first before rushing to judgement. There's a reason why thousands of officers die in the line of duty every year.

Are you sure about that? You may want to re-do your research, as your statistics are way off.

How many Police officers are working now in the US?
Ive seen its around to 900,000. So even if this happened 1000x a year that only 0.1%.
some 'pattern'

Yeah, and with only ~170 cops being killed per year, must be some "pattern."

[Cebby]

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

How's the fight against the Marxist Admiral State going?