The disturbing trend at OS

[aholbert32]

Re: The disturbing trend at OS

Man dudes have been voicing their opinions about wrong headband colors by 2K for YEARS. YEARS man. YEARS. No reason why 2K still hasn't fixed this issue. That is all I am saying. A less complicated issue gets ignored for YEARS.

THAT is why the art dudes are so loud in the 2K Forums. They feel like they are being ignored.

And I understand how they feel.

Point is this, you can't keep kissing folks butts and believe the, "I have to give a compliment to give a critical opinion" logic because:
1. You are "wasting" your time with the game. That is compliment enough. You are an active member in the 2K forums
2. There are plenty of OTHERS that are playing the role as 2K Supporters that believe 2K can do no wrong.

I got it and still get it. 2K *****, 2K *****. The hell? How am I a 2K *****? I just want the best. Been active in the forums for SIX years. But I am a 2K *****? That pissed me off.

But now folks PM me thanking me for being on 2K's case in terms of asking for a realistic dunk system.

I dont think you are a ***** per se but I can see how people could have that perception. I would say out of all of your post in the 2k forums, 80% of them are a complaint/criticism or negative in nature. Not to say that you cant be negative about a game but that does seem to be a little overboard for a guy who likes the game. Usually when you like a game, you have positive things to say about it. You come across as a glass half empty person, who complains about the things a game doesnt have instead of giving equal attention/credit to what it does.

I think thats the greater point. I remember playing Intelivision basketball, Lakers vs Celtics, NBA Showtime etc. So I tend to appreciate how far NBA games have come instead of focusing on what they havent done or done right yet.

[ODogg]

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You make a great point that I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. I bounce too much from title to title myself. Sometimes I play a game from start to finish like I did Fable but often I play a game for a week and then something else comes out and I plan to go back to the game but never do. Then before I know it the sequel is coming out and I have to get that. I did this with Uncharted and felt silly buying Uncharted 2 here recently, but I did it anyways.

When I was young i'd buy a game and play it for like 6 months straight without even thinking of another game. Part of it was the money issue of course but it was mostly due to the fact that there were many less grade-A titles to choose from.

The gaming industry should take great care they don't start to cannibalize themselves too much. At some point people may just say to heck with games, I don't have time for them anymore. I know i've considered it in the past and i'm sure a lot of you guys here have too.

[Jonesy]

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You make a great point that I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. I bounce too much from title to title myself. Sometimes I play a game from start to finish like I did Fable but often I play a game for a week and then something else comes out and I plan to go back to the game but never do. Then before I know it the sequel is coming out and I have to get that. I did this with Uncharted and felt silly buying Uncharted 2 here recently, but I did it anyways.

When I was young i'd buy a game and play it for like 6 months straight without even thinking of another game. Part of it was the money issue of course but it was mostly due to the fact that there were many less grade-A titles to choose from.

The gaming industry should take great care they don't start to cannibalize themselves too much. At some point people may just say to heck with games, I don't have time for them anymore. I know i've considered it in the past and i'm sure a lot of you guys here have too.

I think your post raises a good point about quantity vs quality in today's gaming market. I think if people stopped jumping from game to game so much and just bought the AAA titles like GTA, MW, GOW, Uncharted, Gears etc and played them extensively then we would start seeing less actual games released but the quality would improve dramatically. All of these impulse buys or mini hype trains that develop here and on other gaming boards are the reason why so many of these marginal titles are being produced imo.

Very interesting discussion fella's and lots of good points raised.

[bluengold34_OS]

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Well the way I look at it and always will is this........

I spend $60 on a game and only play it for 20 hours, that's only $3 an hour....

I can't think of a lot of things I can do for an hour for $3 and get much enjoyment. Coupled with the fact of the trade in value...it goes much less per hour.

A cruddy movie cost me and my Wife $25 to see, and that last about 2 hours. There is no trade in value..........and if I feel like it was a disappointment, I will not see another movie from that director ( See M.Night Shyamalan )

See....thats how the movie crowd chooses to show their displeasure..they simply do not go back. The video game crowd follows with a strange blind allegiance to this company or that company...and they know it.

We all talk a big game about not buying the next iteration...but we are the same idiots who are lined up at midnight..or search the world for the game early, like it was a cure for cancer.

The answer is simple..........We quit buying, and there will be less games, and the ones that are made will be of a better quality. Until we do that, the over-saturation of the market will continue.

[ODogg]

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I think bottom line is that most people honestly don't feel that the games truly are bad enough or they would quit buying. I mean people can complain all day about headband colors, wrong socks, shoes, etc but they must honestly still believe the game is worth $60 or they wouldn't go buy it year after year. I know as much as I complain about NCAA/Madden that i still the think the games are worth buying or I wouldn't buy them...it's just that simple.

[jeremym480]

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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...0-cod-mw2.html



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[Rocky]

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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...0-cod-mw2.html



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That thread does bring up a very valid point however.

The gap between sports games and these mega big budget games are widening exponentially. As the tech grows and becomes harder to deal with, the games with the longer development times are going to be much better suited to deal with them. Of course, they're going to be better games. The quality gap between sports and non sports games has never been this wide.

The problem is that around here and to the general gaming public, sports games are constantly being compared to the mega games with these huge teams and development time. And they should be. They cost the same.

The big elephant in the room is also exclusivity. Back in the day, if you didn't like Madden, you played Joe Montana Sports Talk Football. If you didn't like JMSTF, you played QB Club. If you didn't like Bases Loaded, you played RBI Baseball. Isn't necessarily the case today.

[stewaat]

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As long as people back up their complaints without being disrespectful I'm all for complaints.

[NoDakHusker]

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I think bottom line is that most people honestly don't feel that the games truly are bad enough or they would quit buying. I mean people can complain all day about headband colors, wrong socks, shoes, etc but they must honestly still believe the game is worth $60 or they wouldn't go buy it year after year. I know as much as I complain about NCAA/Madden that i still the think the games are worth buying or I wouldn't buy them...it's just that simple.

Exactly. I'm not entirely happy with how NCAA has been the past few years, but at the same time, its a college football game. I've had fun and spent countless hours playing it. I've got more than my money's worth for this game. Not a lot of games out there do that for me.

[dossier]

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People hang on the negatives and completely forget about positives. I think that's the way the world is becoming now. Instead of being grateful, it's about questioning why everything isn't perfect for me.

Best Quote Eva

[countryboy]

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Well the way I look at it and always will is this........

I spend $60 on a game and only play it for 20 hours, that's only $3 an hour....

I can't think of a lot of things I can do for an hour for $3 and get much enjoyment. Coupled with the fact of the trade in value...it goes much less per hour.

A cruddy movie cost me and my Wife $25 to see, and that last about 2 hours. There is no trade in value..........and if I feel like it was a disappointment, I will not see another movie from that director ( See M.Night Shyamalan )

See....thats how the movie crowd chooses to show their displeasure..they simply do not go back. The video game crowd follows with a strange blind allegiance to this company or that company...and they know it.

We all talk a big game about not buying the next iteration...but we are the same idiots who are lined up at midnight..or search the world for the game early, like it was a cure for cancer.

The answer is simple..........We quit buying, and there will be less games, and the ones that are made will be of a better quality. Until we do that, the over-saturation of the market will continue.

[RynoAid]

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True dat. I'm a 32 year old man who grew up on Burger Time and Dungeons and Dragons on the Intellivison. Now, I'm playing games like NBA 2k10 with lifelike players and Grand Theft Auto with its immense world, radio stations, and hours and hours of voice acting..

this...

younger gamers are spoiled IMO. It's the same with other areas of technological advancement. We've ramped up at such a high rate the last 20-30 years, people just don't really appreciate how far we have come unless they have the experience of playing the simplistic games that we grew up on in the early days.

there is a sense of technological entitlement that runs rampant in society right now and it definitely spills over in expectations for video games.

[KG]

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this... younger gamers are spoiled IMO. It's the same with other areas of technological advancement. We've ramped up at such a high rate the last 20-30 years, people just don't really appreciate how far we have come unless they have the experience of playing the simplistic games that we grew up on in the early days.

there is a sense of technological entitlement that runs rampant in society right now and it definitely spills over in expectations for video games.

It should be that way. Technology has advanced in so many other ways that video games should be held to the same standard, especially sports games. Video game companies need to keep pushing the envelope, especially with all of the competition out there.

[no juice]

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this... younger gamers are spoiled IMO. It's the same with other areas of technological advancement. We've ramped up at such a high rate the last 20-30 years, people just don't really appreciate how far we have come unless they have the experience of playing the simplistic games that we grew up on in the early days.

there is a sense of technological entitlement that runs rampant in society right now and it definitely spills over in expectations for video games.

Just plain spoiled. They demand perfection on every release... no matter how rapid the rate at which games are pushed out. it's really getting ridiculous. i can only imagine what it's going to be like in 5 years

[ODogg]

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kgx2thez - to a certain extent I agree we should always want something better, but the issue is that the balance is too far in the other direction, a game can be compelling, fun to play and with great graphics, sound and story but the person takes no enjoyment in the game because they find minor non-gameplay affecting issues such as jaggies, the characters mouths are slightly off when they talk, someones shoe color is not the correct shade of brown or whatever.

I say force folks who go to far in that direction to go back and play some 1980's video games and see how much they condemn a fantastic game because of such ridiculous observations..