The disturbing trend at OS

[ODogg]

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I think the issue with having choices is you could always feel like you picked your poison. Which is silly if you think about it, but it's psychologically more healthy I guess. At the end of the day when you made a choice, even if it's not all that great, at least you feel better that probably whatever you didn't pick was worse.

But what would you rather have the choice of 5 mediocre games or no choice but one rather average game? Heh, I know the answer is tough...

[Qb]

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I agree (I'm 37 as well), but if your work gets criticized by bosses or colleagues, you have to address the problem. If your work gets criticized by strangers on the internet, and you can't truthfully respond to the criticism without either getting in a flame war or putting your job (or someone else's) in jeopardy, it's easier to just ignore it entirely. That's the danger of personal attacks on forums, because some devs will react by saying, "Why bother?" and no longer check them, meaning legitimate, thoughtful criticism might go unread.

It's great to hear your perspective on this. The above quote paraphrases what a dev who recently stopped posting told me about his departure. He's at least still reading from time to time for the good stuff, but he just can't pay the price of being an active member here for a variety of reasons.

[KG]

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I could support a 2 year cycle so long as we get roster updates and maybe a major patch each year. But yeah, the general public would not and neither would EA...why would they, unless they could charge $119 every other year, LOL..

I couldn't and the only game that could ever pull that off would be Madden since there is no competition. Do you think NBA Live would take a year to right their ship while letting some of their fan base jump ship to 2K. They would have folks that wouldn't come back.

The 2yr sports dev cycle sounds good on paper but in reality is a horrible idea IMO.

[Jistic]

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There was a time when there was no cycle. Games didn't have a year attached to them. I think Madden was the one that started that in the first place.

[ODogg]

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What the public wants, and is willing to pay for, the public gets..

[mgoblue]

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There was a time when there was no cycle. Games didn't have a year attached to them. I think Madden was the one that started that in the first place.

Because sports leagues have a cycle, it makes complete sense. Back when it started, roster updates were not an option.

I think the difficulty now is that game programming is so complex that a year isn't always enough time to do tons of new things. They end up doing stuff under the hood that isn't always visible, and get yelled at for it.

I do agree with you guys though, I guess I just don't let it get to me and try to just enjoy. It's also the reason why I try and avoid all the hype prior to a game release, inevitably the game can't satisfy the hype.

You guys do realize that people would complain if there was a 2 year cycle and a roster update, because there wasn't DLC to make the game better, or not enough patches, or the roster wasn't good enough, or the roster patch should include drastic gameplay updates, etc.

[rudyjuly2]

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You guys do realize that people would complain if there was a 2 year cycle and a roster update, because there wasn't DLC to make the game better, or not enough patches, or the roster wasn't good enough, or the roster patch should include drastic gameplay updates, etc.

So true. No way a 2 year cycle eliminate the criticism. It could be worse. "It took you TWO years to come up with this crap!"

[aholbert32]

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Everyone on OS is guilty of this EVERYONE.

Not me. My expectations arent that high for any game and I tend to enjoy games for what they are...not what they can be. With the exception of the Show, the games I loved this year were all flawed...NBA2k10, Madden, UFC, Fight Night. Love them all. Still play them all and they all have major issues that could ruin the game for me if I let them.

I dont play much online so there are a lot of issues with games that I dont see. With that said, I have no problem instituting house rules when I play the CPU if there is an exploit. Ive had to do that for practically every sports game I've ever played. I limit the amount of screen passes I throw in Madden because the CPU has trouble covering them at every level. I dont immediately throw punches after I recover from a takedown in UFC because the CPU never defends that punch. I dont run a ton of pick in rolls in NBA2k10 because at times they are too easy.

I actually feel sorry for younger people here because they dont remember how basic the gameplay was w/ games like Double Dribble or Tecmo Bowl. They dont see how far sports gaming has come and they lack perspective. Can game companies do better? Yes. Should they test their games more throughly? Yes. But in the end its just a game and I just keep that perspective.

Another thing that helps is I dont go into bug/glitch threads. I stay out of negative threads for the most part too. I found that when I used to go in those threads I used to discover issues with the game that I would have never noticed on my own. I stopped going in those threads two yrs ago and I think thats why I enjoy games more than I used too.

[aholbert32]

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So true. No way a 2 year cycle eliminate the criticism. It could be worse. "It took you TWO years to come up with this crap!"

People yell 2 yr cycle but ignore the fact that there is backlash against games like Fight Night with 2 yr cycles. That game has consistent updates and paid roster updates and people complain about the cost of the updates the amount of time between updates and about the updates themselves. The same thing would hapopen with any other game.

[mgoblue]

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Not me. My expectations arent that high for any game and I tend to enjoy games for what they are...not what they can be. With the exception of the Show, the games I loved this year were all flawed...NBA2k10, Madden, UFC, Fight Night. Love them all. Still play them all and they all have major issues that could ruin the game for me if I let them.

I dont play much online so there are a lot of issues with games that I dont see. With that said, I have no problem instituting house rules when I play the CPU if there is an exploit. Ive had to do that for practically every sports game I've ever played. I limit the amount of screen passes I throw in Madden because the CPU has trouble covering them at every level. I dont immediately throw punches after I recover from a takedown in UFC because the CPU never defends that punch. I dont run a ton of pick in rolls in NBA2k10 because at times they are too easy.

I actually feel sorry for younger people here because they dont remember how basic the gameplay was w/ games like Double Dribble or Tecmo Bowl. They dont see how far sports gaming has come and they lack perspective. Can game companies do better? Yes. Should they test their games more throughly? Yes. But in the end its just a game and I just keep that perspective.

Another thing that helps is I dont go into bug/glitch threads. I stay out of negative threads for the most part too. I found that when I used to go in those threads I used to discover issues with the game that I would have never noticed on my own. I stopped going in those threads two yrs ago and I think thats why I enjoy games more than I used too.

QFT. I stopped going in bug/glitch threads too and ignorance is bliss, IMO. I won't notice the stat bugs and other crap people notice, so I just ignore that and enjoy playing.

[rudyjuly2]

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Another thing that helps is I dont go into bug/glitch threads. I stay out of negative threads for the most part too. I found that when I used to go in those threads I used to discover issues with the game that I would have never noticed on my own. I stopped going in those threads two yrs ago and I think thats why I enjoy games more than I used too.

I don't go there either. I'm anal about enough things as it is. I don't need other people to point stuff out to me.

[23]

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I couldn't and the only game that could ever pull that off would be Madden since there is no competition. Do you think NBA Live would take a year to right their ship while letting some of their fan base jump ship to 2K. They would have folks that wouldn't come back.

The 2yr sports dev cycle sounds good on paper but in reality is a horrible idea IMO.

After Live 07 it didnt matter anyway because thats exactly what happened and they still haven't gained them back

[23]

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That said I dont think a 2 year cycle is the answer.

I dont expect perfection either..but I do expect working games for my money.

Games are buggier than ever now for some odd reason. Games always have issues but now its on another level of problems.

I still dont believe in bashing devs into flame wars and calling people lazy and throwing out ridiculous insults like im entitled to talk to people in that kind of manner. Some people are only here to complain and they arent happy unless they do.

I do however think we should expect a game we can play without having to make up for things that shouldnt be, like turning off goaltending just so a game wont go into overtime or a game freezing beyond belief to the point its a constant problem getting through games.

[ODogg]

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Well stated 23, I concur. Oh and are you going to change your nickname to 6 haha.

[DrJones]

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I actually think it's best that the devs don't interact here. Because you have immature people getting way too personal attacking them, and you also have some devs that really just can't handle it. At the same time it feels that the whole thing is just marketing on their part. There's a reason why strippers aren't supposed to date the customers. I think it should be the same here.

Awesome metaphor, BTW.