Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

[Bighoff]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

I don't agree with the wiretapping law Maryland has but I don't see the cop doing anything wrong. He had his gun out for less then 30 seconds and never pointed it at the rider, as soon as he was within arms reach of the motorcycle he holstered his weapon. It's a dangerous roll of the dice at every traffic stop, the cops don't know if the person or persons pulled over have warrants or have a gun and don't want to go to jail.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

Hoping common sense is a strength with the judge that gets this case.

Should take all of 5minutes:

Judge: Are you guilty of recording the police officer giving you a citation?
Defendant: Yes
Judge: You broke the law. I'm giving you a suspended sentence and 3 years of probation. Next time, keep the camera phone in your pocket.
Defendant: Yes mam/sir.
Judge: Bailiff, next case...

[Money99]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

I love it. Lindsay Lohan gets caught driving a stolen vehicle, while drunk and in possession of cocaine and she gets 13 days in prison.
This guy posts a video of a cop giving him a ticket and he faces 16 years.

Yup, nothing wrong with the justice system.

If I've learned one thing it's that you want to commit crimes in LA. Especially if you're a celebrity. Go ahead and kill someone. But be wary of the consequences, you might have to pick up trash on the side of the road for 3 minutes and then hug the local sheriff and say 'sorry'.

[HotGarbage]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

Look again at 3:34 of the vid. Looks like another State Trooper vehicle behind him....and my guess is both vehicles had a dash light and sirens.
He knew he was a P.O before the guy said a word.




You always draw when stopping.
You aim when you must.
At no time did he point his weapon at anyone....and once the guy stopped moving the cycle...he holstered.


M.K.
Knight165

So if some cop stops me for having a busted taillight,he should pull out his gun and point it at me? Man,get outta here with that ****

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

So if some cop stops me for having a busted taillight,he should pull out his gun and point it at me? Man,get outta here with that ****

Again, the straw man arguments that pop up in these threads are ridiculous. I'm done.

[tsalbysp]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

Again, the straw man arguments that pop up in these threads are ridiculous. I'm done.

How is it a strawman?

Explain to me how Garbage's example is any different than what we saw in the video.

[The GIGGAS]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

How is it a strawman?

From Wikipedia:

Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

You always draw when stopping.

Uhhhh what? I've only been stopped by the cops once and it was when we were cruising late at night during a neighborhood looking very suspicious, even then the cop didn't have his gun out.

[JBH3]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

My main gripe surrounding this thread wasn't really regarding the base subject, moreso than the comments about convicting someone on an archaeic law and having them go to jail as to correct a "bad" law through appeals.

However, it's now REALLY funny seeing those in this thread, who's "combat" experience is likely playing paintball in the backyard or playing Modern Warfare 2, comment/critique proper protocol of patrol officers.

I don't see any wrong doing on law enforcements part. I also reference the most recent tragedy (that I know of) where two officers viewed the stop as "routine".

2 Florida officers die after traffic-stop shooting

[Knight165]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

Hoping common sense is a strength with the judge that gets this case.

Should take all of 5minutes:

Judge: Are you guilty of recording the police officer giving you a citation?
Defendant: Yes
Judge: You broke the law. I'm giving you a suspended sentence and 3 years of probation. Next time, keep the camera phone in your pocket.
Defendant: Yes mam/sir.
Judge: Bailiff, next case...

I absolutely agree....actually...he shouldn't have to keep his camera in his pocket. I actually like the fact that uniformed service knows they are accountable for their actions.
That being said however, it seems like either the videos usually don't capture the entire incidents or the reaction of people to standard operating procedure(who are obviously not understanding why they are in place) is usually quite....well...I really can't post it(T.O.S.) but you can figure it out.

....and I really don't want to derail the thread any longer, but although uniformed service does indeed come with an inherent risk, does that mean you shouldn't take precautions to not wind up on the back of a caisson?
That officer in no way menaced anyone...and clearly reholstered once the man put his hands in plain sight. Don't let your lack of knowledge on the subject cloud rational thought that an officer must protect himself at all times when making an arrest or even a traffic stop. To me...traffic stops are worse than a straight up arrest(granted....a cycle stop is a little less stress than a vehicle you can't really see into)....but if you start to get lax in ANY situation......you might not have to worry about that any longer.

M.K.
Knight165

[tsalbysp]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

From Wikipedia:

From Dictionary:

to behave in an offensively condescending manner toward

[Knight165]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

Uhhhh what? I've only been stopped by the cops once and it was when we were cruising late at night during a neighborhood looking very suspicious, even then the cop didn't have his gun out.

Good for him. Hopefully his luck never runs out.
I always unholstered or if I was with another officer covered my weapon during stops.
S.O.P. and a fool doesn't do it.

....and you give me an "Uhhh...what?" on your one stop experience.

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

So if some cop stops me for having a busted taillight,he should pull out his gun and point it at me? Man,get outta here with that ****

Perhaps I shouldn't have said draw....I meant unholster. I figured when I used the word aim...you would get the distinction.
Sorry.


When they start giving out E.S.P. at the academy is when P.O.'s should stop taking this necessary precaution.

M.K.
Knight165

[CMH]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

Uhhhh what? I've only been stopped by the cops once and it was when we were cruising late at night during a neighborhood looking very suspicious, even then the cop didn't have his gun out.

edit: forget it. He explained.

[tsalbysp]

Re: Man faces 16 years in jail for videotaping gun-waving cop

Good for him. Hopefully his luck never runs out.
I always unholstered or if I was with another officer covered my weapon during stops.
S.O.P. and a fool doesn't do it.

And how many times did you actually have to use it?

You talk about thinking rationally, but you don't appear to follow your own advice. Your thought process is the same as an overbearing mother who overreacts by not letting her child play outside, because once and a while she reads stories about kids getting abducted by child molesters. Oblivious to the fact that 99.9% of the time, that doesn't happen.

However, no media outlet is going to publish a story along the lines of "Children playing outside, had an enjoyable experience (which happens 99.9% of the time);" nor are you going to hear stories about "Officer pulls over speeder, gave him ticket, and both went their separate ways (which happens 99.9% of the time)." Instead, all you hear are the negative stories, and then you base your entire rationale on that (however misguided it is).

This isn't Iraq. This isn't a battlefield. Not everyone is out to kill you.